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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 10, 2019 17:31:56 GMT
Goodbye old friend. I'll just leave this here for old times sake.
A leaked memo from Labour about how to divert attention from a TV documentary showing their institutional anti-semitism. Loving the separate "outriders" instructions. Outriders?? Is that like Squealer Jones, Novaria Mediocre, Paul Mason and Mongmentum?
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Post by thingscouldbemarvellous on Jul 10, 2019 17:41:08 GMT
Why was the original thread locked? I was really enjoying that ๐
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 10, 2019 17:41:26 GMT
Goodbye old friend. I'll just leave this here for old times sake. A leaked memo from Labour about how to divert attention from a TV documentary showing their institutional anti-semitism. Loving the separate "outriders" instructions. Outriders?? Is that like Squealer Jones, Novaria Mediocre, Paul Mason and Mongmentum? It's beyond disgusting, I will never vote for them again. Labour member now ex Labour voter now ex. They are just vile.
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Post by mattyd on Jul 10, 2019 17:46:10 GMT
Why was the original thread locked? I was really enjoying that ๐ Lots of insults and name calling flying around, and I am ashamed to say I was one of the perpetrators. . I really do apologise, and promise to keep it all in PM from now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 17:49:42 GMT
Goodbye old friend. I'll just leave this here for old times sake. A leaked memo from Labour about how to divert attention from a TV documentary showing their institutional anti-semitism. Loving the separate "outriders" instructions. Outriders?? Is that like Squealer Jones, Novaria Mediocre, Paul Mason and Mongmentum? I'm confused that article is again focussing on Anti-Israel comments and wanting him to come out in support of Israel which he's clearly not going to do. I suppose it will all be clearer watching the actual programme.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 10, 2019 17:56:12 GMT
The anti- semitism debate in the Labour party confirms something else for me . Racism is abhorrent. Anti - semitism as a form of racism is abhorrent. Modt people would probably agree with that. The debate inside the Labour party is an internal one and it does matter. It may be receiving great attention because at is truly institutionally racist and that's bad. Also it may be a symptom of the dependence of the Labour party on the Muslim vote, the ( deliberate?) conflating of anti-zionism and anti-Semitism, or an attempt to undermine Corbyn. BUT....( and this is equally as important for me) It is a debate that is entirely within the party machine and is driven by the Islington set/ intellectuals/ chattering class " Labour" party. .....the white working class/ northern town/ industrial person who is looking for a voice to represent them politically is not in the slightest interested or bothered. The Labour party does not represent them any more.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 10, 2019 18:55:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
Microsoft News running story about tonight's documentary Labour bid to stop broadcast of damning BBC documentary on anti-Semitism link
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Post by thevoid on Jul 10, 2019 20:17:57 GMT
Microsoft News running story about tonight's documentary Labour bid to stop broadcast of damning BBC documentary on anti-Semitism linkIf they're just smears what are they worried about? People will surely see it for what it is if so? And the EHRC investigation will confirm all this too. If there's nowt to hide, like?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 10, 2019 20:28:03 GMT
They're a dead party, only a maniac would consider this burning shitshow worthy of a vote.
Horrible party, horrible policies, horrible members.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2019 20:38:00 GMT
The anti- semitism debate in the Labour party confirms something else for me . Racism is abhorrent. Anti - semitism as a form of racism is abhorrent. Modt people would probably agree with that. The debate inside the Labour party is an internal one and it does matter. It may be receiving great attention because at is truly institutionally racist and that's bad. Also it may be a symptom of the dependence of the Labour party on the Muslim vote, the ( deliberate?) conflating of anti-zionism and anti-Semitism, or an attempt to undermine Corbyn. BUT....( and this is equally as important for me) It is a debate that is entirely within the party machine and is driven by the Islington set/ intellectuals/ chattering class " Labour" party. .....the white working class/ northern town/ industrial person who is looking for a voice to represent them politically is not in the slightest interested or bothered. The Labour party does not represent them any more. Let's face it, BJR, if this was against Muslims it would have been rooted out by now. Remember the fuss about "letterboxes"? Barely a day goes by without someone left leaning mentioning it. It's zero tolerance for Muslims, and I have to agree with you connecting the Muslim vote with Labour's stance on antisemitism. Look how they have panicked over the Liberal Democrats picking up significant votes from them due to Brexit; is it too far fetched to think they have made a similar calculation and it's hurt Jewish people?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 10, 2019 20:50:54 GMT
Owd Nige must be watching this documentary on BBC1 and laughing his bollocks off.
Labour have lost (or losing) their traditional working class vote.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 10, 2019 20:52:25 GMT
The anti- semitism debate in the Labour party confirms something else for me . Racism is abhorrent. Anti - semitism as a form of racism is abhorrent. Modt people would probably agree with that. The debate inside the Labour party is an internal one and it does matter. It may be receiving great attention because at is truly institutionally racist and that's bad. Also it may be a symptom of the dependence of the Labour party on the Muslim vote, the ( deliberate?) conflating of anti-zionism and anti-Semitism, or an attempt to undermine Corbyn. BUT....( and this is equally as important for me) It is a debate that is entirely within the party machine and is driven by the Islington set/ intellectuals/ chattering class " Labour" party. .....the white working class/ northern town/ industrial person who is looking for a voice to represent them politically is not in the slightest interested or bothered. The Labour party does not represent them any more. Let's face it, BJR, if this was against Muslims it would have been rooted out by now. Remember the fuss about "letterboxes"? Barely a day goes by without someone left leaning mentioning it. It's zero tolerance for Muslims, and I have to agree with you connecting the Muslim vote with Labour's stance on antisemitism. Look how they have panicked over the Liberal Democrats picking up significant votes from them due to Brexit; is it too far fetched to think they have made a similar calculation and it's hurt Jewish people? Not to mention the dog-whistle bollocks about being anti-Zionist not anti-semitic. British Jewish MPs (who probably couldn't pick Tel Aviv out on a map let alone have anything to do with Israel's foreign policy) within Labour have been threatened and intimidated, because they're guilty by association. Because they're Jewish. Can someone explain how this differs from the far right blaming average Muslims for terrorist attacks? It seems to me, the furthest left you head, things start turning right.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 10, 2019 21:27:42 GMT
It seems to me, the furthest left you head, things start turning right. 'The Horseshoe Theory' Proponents of Horseshoe Theory argue that the extreme left and the extreme right are closer to each other than either is to the political center
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 21:38:38 GMT
It seems to me, the furthest left you head, things start turning right. 'The Horseshoe Theory' Proponents of Horseshoe Theory argue that the extreme left and the extreme right are closer to each other than either is to the political center I prefer the fish hook theory myself.....
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Post by thevoid on Jul 10, 2019 22:02:08 GMT
Fish-hook theory, the ideology of extremists.
When one's political beliefsย are so extreme, that not only are their ideological opponents considered fascists, but anyone who is moderate / centrist / in-between is also a fascist.
Yep, seems about right (no pun intended). No wonder they like the far left echo chamber that Labour now is.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2019 22:31:14 GMT
Fish-hook theory, the ideology of extremists. When one's political beliefsย are so extreme, that not only are their ideological opponents considered fascists, but anyone who is moderate / centrist / in-between is also a fascist. Yep, seems about right (no pun intended). No wonder they like the far left echo chamber that Labour now is. Or is he "fishing"????
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 22:54:25 GMT
Fish-hook theory, the ideology of extremists. When one's political beliefsย are so extreme, that not only are their ideological opponents considered fascists, but anyone who is moderate / centrist / in-between is also a fascist. Yep, seems about right (no pun intended). No wonder they like the far left echo chamber that Labour now is. Or is he "fishing"???? Apparently having a joke (albeit a pretty shit one) isn't the done thing on here these days fella. Although history shows that centrists will always veer to the right when faced with a choice......
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 11, 2019 5:42:00 GMT
They're a dead party, only a maniac would consider this burning shitshow worthy of a vote. Horrible party, horrible policies, horrible members. How does that wash with other school teachers, I thought you were all indoctrinated?
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Post by felonious on Jul 11, 2019 6:03:38 GMT
Well that was a harrowing watch from the Union led Corbyn party that are so fanatical about workers rights. Surely the Labour party have to be amongst the worst employers in the country? Staff going off with breakdowns and even contemplating suicide....the riposte is to label them as disaffected. I thought Campbell and Mandelson were masters of the dark arts but this lot are worse. Glad these decent people were brave enough to break the NDAs.
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Post by felonious on Jul 11, 2019 6:07:36 GMT
The anti- semitism debate in the Labour party confirms something else for me . Racism is abhorrent. Anti - semitism as a form of racism is abhorrent. Modt people would probably agree with that. The debate inside the Labour party is an internal one and it does matter. It may be receiving great attention because at is truly institutionally racist and that's bad. Also it may be a symptom of the dependence of the Labour party on the Muslim vote, the ( deliberate?) conflating of anti-zionism and anti-Semitism, or an attempt to undermine Corbyn. BUT....( and this is equally as important for me) It is a debate that is entirely within the party machine and is driven by the Islington set/ intellectuals/ chattering class " Labour" party. .....the white working class/ northern town/ industrial person who is looking for a voice to represent them politically is not in the slightest interested or bothered. The Labour party does not represent them any more. Whilst I think that is part of the calculation BJR I think it's more to do with the influx of the mindset of the Momentum influx. It certainly came across in the programme last night. Local hard working long standing Labour councillors and MPs are under threat from the far right who see there opportunity. The Labour civil war hasn't even started yet in earnest.
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Post by Northy on Jul 11, 2019 6:08:22 GMT
Corbyn, disloyal as ever
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Post by mattyd on Jul 11, 2019 6:26:57 GMT
If the next PM plays the IRA card at the next GE then they will wipe the floor with the IRA loving Hamas supporting Marxist dinosaur .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 7:00:45 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful yet again from Corbyn and Co. All service men past and present must feel completely betrayed by this. They should turn their backs on Labour in future.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2019 7:57:06 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful yet again from Corbyn and Co. All service men past and present must feel completely betrayed by this. They should turn their backs on Labour in future. Is there another country in the world where the main opposition party has such a dim view of it's own people? Two OGs in a week, Labour are finished under this lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 8:04:54 GMT
It's almost as though Corbyn and Co. are deliberately trying to make themselves as unelectable as May did with the Tories at the last election.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2019 10:20:33 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful yet again from Corbyn and Co. All service men past and present must feel completely betrayed by this. They should turn their backs on Labour in future. Is there another country in the world where the main opposition party has such a dim view of it's own people? Two OGs in a week, Labour are finished under this lot. I have never seen such an inept lot. Virtually all the front bench are buffoons. Hardly any of them are even likeable, either. Burgon, Butler, Thornberry, Gardiner, Gwynne; all absolute quims. John Prescott is a political giant in comparison!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 11, 2019 10:29:53 GMT
I'm not sure what the actualities of this vote were its just a shame the Tories wont protect our veterans against mass homelessness, universal credit and lack of access to certain medical help. But hey ho.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 11, 2019 11:16:03 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful yet again from Corbyn and Co. All service men past and present must feel completely betrayed by this. They should turn their backs on Labour in future. We have, fcuking Marxist racist bastards
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 11, 2019 11:20:20 GMT
Why was the original thread locked? I was really enjoying that ๐ Lots of insults and name calling flying around, and I am ashamed to say I was one of the perpetrators.ย .ย I really do apologise, and promise to keep it all in PM from now. Just out of interest shangs, why are insults and name calling any more acceptable in PM format?
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