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Post by Block 22 on Jun 26, 2019 20:23:29 GMT
OK, can someone please explain, without being abusive, why Jones is forcing our most talented player out of the club without giving him a fair chance of showing what he can do? I look at the players we have left, like McClean, Ince, Afobe etc. and I cannot for the life of me find a reasonable explanation! Because it takes more than just talented feet to have a positive impact, you need the mental strength to go with it. It’s basically like having a Ferrari with the engine of a FIAT.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 26, 2019 20:23:44 GMT
Thing is with bojan hes got all the technical skill in the world but without the grit and the stomach for the competitive challenge he's a pansy. Pansies are useful for shit. You'd think he'd get angry and it would show in his demeanour on the pitch but he's not got it in him I’m convinced you know nowt about football. You don’t have to be aggressive to be a great footballer. Most flair players aren’t aggressive
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 26, 2019 20:25:26 GMT
Thing is with bojan hes got all the technical skill in the world but without the grit and the stomach for the competitive challenge he's a pansy. Pansies are useful for shit. You'd think he'd get angry and it would show in his demeanour on the pitch but he's not got it in him I’m convinced you know nowt about football. You don’t have to be aggressive to be a great footballer. Most flair players aren’t aggressive He's a pansy. You need a competitive edge of some degree, even Silva has a competitive edge
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jun 26, 2019 20:30:04 GMT
OK, can someone please explain, without being abusive, why Jones is forcing our most talented player out of the club without giving him a fair chance of showing what he can do? I look at the players we have left, like McClean, Ince, Afobe etc. and I cannot for the life of me find a reasonable explanation! because he cant do it on a match day and he hasnt for 3 years Thanks for your explanation, but I don’t think Jones actually knows what Bojan can do because he hasn’t been given a long enough run of games to prove his worth (in all of his brief cameos, he looked the most creative player on the pitch, but was back on the bench next match) Just because Bojan isn’t built like a brick shithouse doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the stomach to make an impression. In what way are pansies good for shit?
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 26, 2019 20:31:15 GMT
As far as I'm concerned we looked better when he was playing last season.. it's hard not to think that there is something else going on here.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 26, 2019 20:31:21 GMT
because he cant do it on a match day and he hasnt for 3 years Thanks for your explanation, but I don’t think Jones actually knows what Bojan can do because he hasn’t been given a long enough run of games to prove his worth (in all of his brief cameos, he looked the most creative player on the pitch, but was back on the bench next match) Just because Bojan isn’t built like a brick shithouse doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the stomach to make an impression. In what way are pansies good for shit? bojan would be a superb player in a no contact sport. Someone put in a half tough tackle last time he played and Jones immediately subbed him. Tells a lot imo
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 20:32:21 GMT
OK, can someone please explain, without being abusive, why Jones is forcing our most talented player out of the club without giving him a fair chance of showing what he can do? I look at the players we have left, like McClean, Ince, Afobe etc. and I cannot for the life of me find a reasonable explanation! Because it takes more than just talented feet to have a positive impact, you need the mental strength to go with it. It’s basically like having a Ferrari with the engine of a FIAT. The lack of interest in him so far speaks volumes.
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Post by Block 22 on Jun 26, 2019 20:37:17 GMT
Because it takes more than just talented feet to have a positive impact, you need the mental strength to go with it. It’s basically like having a Ferrari with the engine of a FIAT. The lack of interest in him so far speaks volumes. I still can’t fathom how some can’t grasp that you need the brain and the mental strength as well as the skill to have a chance in today’s game. You can have all the ability in the world at your feet, without the right mentality to apply it, it’s useless. Bojan was great for us but we need to let it go, for more than one reason, he’s not worth the baggage.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 26, 2019 20:37:17 GMT
I personally think he should leave but signing Powell while we’re paying Bojan is really frustrating. If any one thinks we’ll be pushing for promotion I respectfully disagree therefore we should be saving our beans as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by tosh on Jun 26, 2019 20:37:47 GMT
Lol come on I said Bojan had scored how many goals in his lifetime, hundreds. You posted his stat to make a point. You quoted me quicker than Bolt runs but now you realise I meant his lifetime not in his fist team pro life and you just can't admit it your wrong. I know it's hard I had to say sorry and admit I'm wrong twice the other day on here but that's what you do when you're wrong. So do you still maintain Benik has scored more goals in his lifetime than Bojan? I have no idea, and neither do you. I took his 'lifetime' has being his professional career. I know Bojan scored a lot, but have no idea how many Afobe scored. Lifetime goals? I read somewhere that Barcelona records show that Bojan took Messi’s youth teams scoring record off him, scoring well over 700 goals over 10 seasons from ages eight to eighteen. For what it’s worth, Afobe would have done well to have beaten that record! Ok. Probably not relevant to today, but I think there’s a bit of magic in realising that little old Stoke has a 29 year old player on the books who has achievements like that and won Champions League medals alongside Messi in the world’s best team. Players like Bojan for me make that walk to the ground more exciting, whether they always play well or not, and I’ve not had that feeling for the last two or three seasons because of the sterile dross served up. I wish the new manager had chosen to give him a proper chance in the rebuild of the team, but it appears he hasn’t. Oh well, maybe he’ll get an extra five percent effort from McLean and Clucas, and just maybe there’ll be another player of Bojan’s talent lurking amongst his League 1 cheapo’s and free transfers? He has made a big call here and really needs his new signings to hit the ground running.
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Jun 26, 2019 20:40:18 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jun 26, 2019 20:40:18 GMT
I personally think he should leave but signing Powell while we’re paying Bojan is really frustrating. If any one thinks we’ll be pushing for promotion I respectfully disagree therefore we should be saving our beans as far as I’m concerned. How many iterations of Bojan did Sheffield United have in their side? Luxury players like Bojan rarely succeed in The Championship.
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Jun 26, 2019 20:44:11 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 26, 2019 20:44:11 GMT
I personally think he should leave but signing Powell while we’re paying Bojan is really frustrating. If any one thinks we’ll be pushing for promotion I respectfully disagree therefore we should be saving our beans as far as I’m concerned. How many iterations of Bojan did Sheffield United have in their side? Luxury players like Bojan rarely succeed in The Championship. Sorry, I’m not saying Bojan is any good. The problem I have is he’s earning decent money and we’ve signed another player to play the same position. We’re in a financial hole and we’re adding to the problem, Stephen Ward signing is the same when we have Pieters and Tymon. I know it’s not my money but we’ve had a summer of propaganda fed by the club about FFP, we’re in position where we have to look after money and we continue to make stupid decisions.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jun 26, 2019 20:48:55 GMT
How quickly we've got back to advocating the need for domestic low league cloggers to get stuck in and deriding anything that resembles a bit of flair - like the last 10 years never happened ........bit sad really but is what it is
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Jun 26, 2019 20:51:01 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jun 26, 2019 20:51:01 GMT
How many iterations of Bojan did Sheffield United have in their side? Luxury players like Bojan rarely succeed in The Championship. Sorry, I’m not saying Bojan is any good. The problem I have is he’s earning decent money and we’ve signed another player to play the same position. We’re in a financial hole and we’re adding to the problem, Stephen Ward signing is the same when we have Pieters and Tymon. I know it’s not my money but we’ve had a summer of propaganda fed by the club about FFP, we’re in position where we have to look after money and we continue to make stupid decisions. Hopefully, we’ve pushed those players we need to shift closer to the exit window and the signings are also a statement to those players to go and find another club. Sadly, I know some won’t care. I don’t think Josh Tymon will be on any kind of money to worry about and Pieters won’t struggle to find a new club.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 26, 2019 20:54:06 GMT
Sorry, I’m not saying Bojan is any good. The problem I have is he’s earning decent money and we’ve signed another player to play the same position. We’re in a financial hole and we’re adding to the problem, Stephen Ward signing is the same when we have Pieters and Tymon. I know it’s not my money but we’ve had a summer of propaganda fed by the club about FFP, we’re in position where we have to look after money and we continue to make stupid decisions. Hopefully, we’ve pushed those players we need to shift closer to the exit window and the signings are also a statement to those players to go and find another club. Sadly, I know some won’t care. I don’t think Josh Tymon will be on any kind of money to worry about and Pieters won’t struggle to find a new club. I’d love to see how Tymon could progress with game time. I personally don’t mind watching young lads make mistakes but watching has-beens shuffle about, I’ve had enough of that.
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Post by Block 22 on Jun 26, 2019 20:54:18 GMT
How quickly we've got back to advocating the need for domestic low league cloggers to get stuck in and deriding anything that resembles a bit of flair - like the last 10 years never happened ........bit sad really but is what it is Everyone wants to see ‘exciting players’. Sadly, the championship takes a certain type of exciting player and they need the mental edge to go with it. There is no room for passengers.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 26, 2019 20:56:18 GMT
Because it takes more than just talented feet to have a positive impact, you need the mental strength to go with it. It’s basically like having a Ferrari with the engine of a FIAT. The lack of interest in him so far speaks volumes. Why’s that then. I don’t see them cueing up for Butland Allen etc. That means nothing
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Post by cmonstoke on Jun 26, 2019 20:57:37 GMT
Maybe but I think I would rather them stay away because it takes time and places away from the players who want to be and will be here. Plus why mess with the locker room morale with them. Not specifically Bojan but more guys like Wimmer and Imbula. Would not want them anywhere near the rest of the group. They could train away from the 1st team squad,an isolation unit for all the wankers,wastrels and unwanted They could but that would consume time of others that may be better spent on the squad members that are wanted wouldn't it ?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jun 26, 2019 20:58:05 GMT
How quickly we've got back to advocating the need for domestic low league cloggers to get stuck in and deriding anything that resembles a bit of flair - like the last 10 years never happened ........bit sad really but is what it is Everyone wants to see ‘exciting players’. Sadly, the championship takes a certain type of exciting player and they need the mental edge to go with it. There is no room for passengers. I don't disagree mate - it's the reality of how far and how fast we've fallen following 8 or 9 seasons of fairly comfortable Prem existence - hopefully we can fight our way out and back to the top table again but it will much harder than last time I fear......que sera sera
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 20:59:40 GMT
How quickly we've got back to advocating the need for domestic low league cloggers to get stuck in and deriding anything that resembles a bit of flair - like the last 10 years never happened ........bit sad really but is what it is Everyone wants to see ‘exciting players’. Sadly, the championship takes a certain type of exciting player and they need the mental edge to go with it. There is no room for passengers. Whilst I appreciate the point when you have the likes of Tom Ince getting in over him it the logic becomes bit dubious...add to that Woods, Afobe and Clucas who did nothing last season it makes sense why this particular decision grates on people
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Jun 26, 2019 21:10:52 GMT
Post by stokecity4life on Jun 26, 2019 21:10:52 GMT
I personally think he should leave but signing Powell while we’re paying Bojan is really frustrating. If any one thinks we’ll be pushing for promotion I respectfully disagree therefore we should be saving our beans as far as I’m concerned. How many iterations of Bojan did Sheffield United have in their side? Luxury players like Bojan rarely succeed in The Championship. As much as i have loved Bojan - this post is spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 21:16:18 GMT
Club statement should be along shortly to clear things up. Club statement was already made at the end of last season. Bojan is free to find himself a new club, but if he doesn't succeed, his contract runs another year and he is welcome to train at the club. Although Bojan's been touring half the world as a tourist this summer, according to social media, but according to the same, he's been busy nearly every day training as hard as if he was up for the triatleton. He's clearly not wanted by Jones, the two faced liar who said upon arrival that Bo was the important part of his plans then proceeded to play McClean, Ince, and Verlinden in his place, but.... If things don't work out quickly for Jones and what will happen to him that many are predicting, then we might just come to recall the maestro while we still can.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 21:18:57 GMT
Nah I'm pretty sure I've scored more the Benik. Just checked it Afobe has more. Bojan 50. Afobe 81. Did you check in your trash. Bojan has scored hundreds of goals.
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Jun 26, 2019 21:24:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 21:24:51 GMT
How many iterations of Bojan did Sheffield United have in their side? Luxury players like Bojan rarely succeed in The Championship. As much as i have loved Bojan - this post is spot on. Pablo Hernandez did pretty well for Leeds (and Swansea before that); some would say he was essential to their way of playing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 21:29:15 GMT
He will be welcomed back with open arms, hey?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 21:51:44 GMT
Read that in a way that he wants Badou back with the squad once Afcon is over for him.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jun 26, 2019 21:58:27 GMT
Maybe the club management don't want him there?
I don't care what anyone says, we aren't bringing in world beaters. Not even "up and comers". The money we've wasted on Woods, Clucas, Tymon, Afobe, Ince, McClean, Bauer, Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula, Ndiaye quite frankly is a disgrace.
Im afraid if we think we're going to sign league one players and somehow do a 'wolves' we're deluded.
This seasons got mid-table consolidation written all over it. The young, athletic players the manager wanted don't seem to have appeared. Although beswicks still seem to be doing well out of keeping us stocked up with lower league players.
This lurch to 'freebies' only is just absurd and shows just how much of a shambles our 'recruitment policy' is. There's no balance to anything we do at all.
I just hope Verlinden, Collins, Campbell, Edwards get game time and Etebo stays as I'm not sure we will have much joy otherwise.
The recruitment behind the scenes is just as bad as its always been, it's just we're shopping in a totally different market.
Considering what jones said he wanted, young, athletic, players who could step up. I don't see what in the recruitment other than maybe Powell. The pulis model was to recruit players in-between the premier and championship. We seem to be recruiting players between league one and the championship.
Those sorts of sides don't get promoted...ever
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 26, 2019 23:23:33 GMT
I’m convinced you know nowt about football. You don’t have to be aggressive to be a great footballer. Most flair players aren’t aggressive He's a pansy. You need a competitive edge of some degree, even Silva has a competitive edge What a clown you are, have you been asleep for forty years?? This generation of footballers don't have to kick then shit out of one another, things have become a little more technical since your trance. You need to wake up from that deep sleep, we have colour TV nowadays as well....
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Post by kustokie on Jun 27, 2019 0:41:24 GMT
The sentinel reported this morning that certain players have been told not to come back so I don't think its necessary just people not bothering to turn up. That's even worse.We should be doing everything possible to get these players as fit and as ready as possible to help them find a new club,not leave them to their own devices. What's stopping Wimmer sitting on the beach drawing his wages until his contract expires ? He won’t be named on the team sheet. Basically paid to do gardening.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 27, 2019 0:48:03 GMT
I have no idea, and neither do you. I took his 'lifetime' has being his professional career. I know Bojan scored a lot, but have no idea how many Afobe scored. Lifetime goals? I read somewhere that Barcelona records show that Bojan took Messi’s youth teams scoring record off him, scoring well over 700 goals over 10 seasons from ages eight to eighteen. For what it’s worth, Afobe would have done well to have beaten that record! Ok. Probably not relevant to today, but I think there’s a bit of magic in realising that little old Stoke has a 29 year old player on the books who has achievements like that and won Champions League medals alongside Messi in the world’s best team. Players like Bojan for me make that walk to the ground more exciting, whether they always play well or not, and I’ve not had that feeling for the last two or three seasons because of the sterile dross served up. I wish the new manager had chosen to give him a proper chance in the rebuild of the team, but it appears he hasn’t. Oh well, maybe he’ll get an extra five percent effort from McLean and Clucas, and just maybe there’ll be another player of Bojan’s talent lurking amongst his League 1 cheapo’s and free transfers? He has made a big call here and really needs his new signings to hit the ground running. Everything Bojan did in the past is irrelevant because he’s a shadow of his former self since he ruptured his ACL. That said, he is probably still the best natural finisher we have on the books.
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