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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 12:21:02 GMT
It’s just prevalent on social media. I wonder if they would be saying that if he had been there for the last 3 years & contributed just as much? It's easy to say that when you're winning games with messi and Suarez in your ranks. I wonder if they sold them both tomorrow just how over the moon they would be with bojan as their replacement? They have a section of fantisists by the sound of it like we do He would struggle to get in their B team these days.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 3, 2019 12:22:39 GMT
You’re uninformed billy. A lot of them do say that, quite a lot. Having lived and worked in Barcelona for nearly 30 years, I like to think I'm pretty well informed. I have never heard a Barça fan say they wish Bojan had stayed nor wish he was still here nor at any time remotely consider that a Barcelona team should have been or be based around him. That said, I have heard a variety of negative opinions about Bojan over the years, both when he was playing for Barça and since. The overwhelming response from Catalan friends when I tell them Bojan is still at Stoke is a mighty 'guffaw'. Haha fair enough! I guess I can only say I’m surprised. Positive opinions of him from Barca fans are very easy to come by on forums/social media. (And I mean in Catalan or Spanish, so not a kid sat in Thailand or something)
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 3, 2019 12:28:58 GMT
It’s just prevalent on social media. But social media has to be taken in context. You can't just look at number of posts and think "there we go, that's proof". You're saying a great number of Barca fans thought he was special and to this day think a team should have been built around him. Even on social media i haven't seen that personally....but with social media you will find literally THOUSANDS of posts from people all over the world (think of all the Egyptians we had posting when Sobhi joined..and you can multiply the newbies we got from Sobhi by about a thousand for a "big club" like Barca) who frankly know the square root of fuck all about the club, what the club was like when Bojan was at Barca,how good Bojan was when he was at Barca, people who don't even know who Bojan is but are jumping on a fb group page bandwagon, people who weren't even born when he was there, people posting simply because they fancy him etc. etc. In short, social media posts can be (and are) made by literally anyone. Just becuase they do post it doesn't mean they know anything about the subkect or are even actual Barca fans Social media posts are worth literally nothing whatsoever without some analysis of who/what/when things are posted. Like i said, i know some lifelong Barca fans who are Catalan born and bred and they are totally bemused by your comments. Your point about social media is valid but it does mean *something*. It’s not controversial to say that shitloads of “proper” Barca fans posting in Catalan or Spanish still love him and wish he hadn’t left. I’ll retract the emphasis on “building a team around him”, I didn’t really mean to make that assertion.
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Aug 3, 2019 12:41:38 GMT
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 3, 2019 12:41:38 GMT
But social media has to be taken in context. You can't just look at number of posts and think "there we go, that's proof". You're saying a great number of Barca fans thought he was special and to this day think a team should have been built around him. Even on social media i haven't seen that personally....but with social media you will find literally THOUSANDS of posts from people all over the world (think of all the Egyptians we had posting when Sobhi joined..and you can multiply the newbies we got from Sobhi by about a thousand for a "big club" like Barca) who frankly know the square root of fuck all about the club, what the club was like when Bojan was at Barca,how good Bojan was when he was at Barca, people who don't even know who Bojan is but are jumping on a fb group page bandwagon, people who weren't even born when he was there, people posting simply because they fancy him etc. etc. In short, social media posts can be (and are) made by literally anyone. Just becuase they do post it doesn't mean they know anything about the subkect or are even actual Barca fans Social media posts are worth literally nothing whatsoever without some analysis of who/what/when things are posted. Like i said, i know some lifelong Barca fans who are Catalan born and bred and they are totally bemused by your comments. Your point about social media is valid but it does mean *something*. It’s not controversial to say that shitloads of “proper” Barca fans posting in Catalan or Spanish still love him and wish he hadn’t left. I’ll retract the emphasis on “building a team around him”, I didn’t really mean to make that assertion. No worries mate, i know what you're saying. I do think it's a bit pointless to say that because their fans may still love him, that must prove he somehow is good enough to make it here though. It's easy to say that at a team like Barca who are absolutely chock full of global superstars. You could have put Ian Dowie in their side and they'd still have won everything going because of the other 10 players being THAT good around him. They also play in a league where they have FAR more time and space on the ball than you get in any of the 4 divisions over here, and is also far less phyiscal than the British game. It's a different game entirely over here to La Liga. To compare how someone played or is viewed over there to how they are over here is a bit of a pointless comparison all round.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 3, 2019 13:02:15 GMT
For a brief spell (late Oct- end of jan) we had one of the best players in the premier league playing for US.
There were many memorable moments but his near single handed destruction of arsenal, ably assisted by n'zonzi and Walters as his battering ram, surely had us all dreaming of what was to come and was my personal favourite.
The circumstance of his injury, on the eve of a recall to the Spanish squad, was hugely cruel in every way imaginable. The timing simply couldn't have been worse.
All should just cherish those memories. We are unlikely to enjoy such moments for a very long time.
He was a special player who delivered some very special memories in a short space of time that allowed us to dream. We should now simply cherish those memories and consign the animosity to to the dustbin
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 3, 2019 13:03:12 GMT
This is about Bojan pre-Stoke City, and it’s not having a cheap shot, it’s just a question ! Why did Bojan leave Barcelona ? It’s his boyhood club, he came all the way through the ranks and reached the first team, which to a Catalonian is the ultimate dream come true, but then left this all behind at a very young age. I just don’t understand how or why you would leave a club which is equal to the catholic religion in Catalonia, knowing that around this precise time all those great players/teammates would have left or retired, and that you would be reaching the peak point of your playing career ? It couldn’t be to lack of skill or talent, and he more than proved that he had the temperament, so what happened that he wouldn’t stick around and learn his trade and fight for his place ? There was a guy named Leo ahead of him in the queue for his favourite position, and after 150+ games for Barca, Bojan came to realise that as much as he tried, as many goals as he scored, he was never going to be preferred to Messi. Why did he end up at Stoke then, if it was Messi that was holding him back surely a bigger club would have been in for him, or any of the clubs he was loaned out to before us, he's had failure after failure at the clubs he's been at before Stoke, had a decent run with us and now its back to the norm, MLS should work out for him though given the lack of quality.
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Aug 3, 2019 16:05:53 GMT
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Post by strettonstokie on Aug 3, 2019 16:05:53 GMT
I'm not saying he would be the answer but after watching that shite I can't believe we're trying to ship him out
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Aug 3, 2019 16:23:04 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 3, 2019 16:23:04 GMT
I'm assuming that if Jones is going to be consistent Powell will be warming the bench for a few games now😉
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Post by toptom007 on Aug 3, 2019 17:47:23 GMT
I wonder if they would be saying that if he had been there for the last 3 years & contributed just as much? It's easy to say that when you're winning games with messi and Suarez in your ranks. I wonder if they sold them both tomorrow just how over the moon they would be with bojan as their replacement? They have a section of fantisists by the sound of it like we do He would struggle to get in their B team these days. Judging by our A team performance I would do a job for our B team... /s
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 18:02:10 GMT
There was a guy named Leo ahead of him in the queue for his favourite position, and after 150+ games for Barca, Bojan came to realise that as much as he tried, as many goals as he scored, he was never going to be preferred to Messi. Why did he end up at Stoke then, if it was Messi that was holding him back surely a bigger club would have been in for him, or any of the clubs he was loaned out to before us, he's had failure after failure at the clubs he's been at before Stoke, had a decent run with us and now its back to the norm, MLS should work out for him though given the lack of quality. You're not saying or asking anything that you haven't already done fifty times before or more. You already know the answers. I can't bothered to have any more such "conversations" with you
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 3, 2019 20:05:42 GMT
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Aug 3, 2019 20:12:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 20:12:28 GMT
He'd have ran Cameron ragged today. Thank fuck we have Nick Powell
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 3, 2019 20:12:48 GMT
Welcome to the MLS little maestro, sadly have to probably wait to see him up close as the Impact have already visited Atlanta. MLS is a good move for him and Montreal are decent, shame he didn't come to Georgia
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 3, 2019 20:13:47 GMT
So - at age of 28 when he should in his prime - there isn't a club in any of the top leagues in Europe who wants him - even on a free. Hopefully that puts any further debate to bed.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 3, 2019 20:30:42 GMT
He was young, he had the best tutors in world football and so he could quite easily have adapted his game, he may have made a problem for Barcelona in that it would have been in their interest to cash in on Messi knowing that they had a ready replacement ? YOU don’t give up on a career at Barcelona because it is more than a religion ! Maybe YOU don't, but Bojan did. That's the simple fact. He was very good, but he was nowhere near as good as Messi, and Barcelona were not then or at any other time the slightest interested in cashing in on Messi. They might have made such a massive profit I can't even imagine how many zeros there would be in the figure, but they would have won a lot less trophies. Of course if they had known at the time that the pair of them were distant cousins they might have held on to both. YOU don’t give up on a career with Barcelona, because literally theirs only one way your career is going and that is on a sharp downwards trajectory ! Barcelona treated Bojan very similar to Stoke, he had lost his form and first team spot and so he was moved out on long term loans, hoping for the return of his undoubted class or a way out via a transfer. The smokescreen that it was because of Messi (cousins ?) that Bojan had to move doesn’t stand up, because as you so proudly boast, Bojan had played in numerous games and scored many goals, but wouldn’t this be in the same Barcelona team that included Messi ? Meaning that they could play together in the same team. I just don’t get why, at such a young age, learning and training everyday with the worlds best, at the biggest club in the world and even being hailed as the new Messi, why just give it up ? I now have doubts it’s about the injury, money, managers, tactics or chances ! I think that he has been gifted with so much talent that he doesn’t know how or what it takes to fight for a first team place ! Now you can believe that Bojan has been mistreated, but why have so many managers at so many clubs around various leagues across Europe come to the same conclusion ? Are they all wrong and you are right ? For people who are in addiction it’s called being in Denial ! And before I’m accused of anything untoward I meant a Bojan addiction !
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