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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2019 17:10:17 GMT
There's no point firing him mid way through season even if it's not working. It's not worked for us before so no point doing it again, unless relegation is a possibility of course. NJ better get through the 3rd round of the FA Cup. Going out to rubbish usually results in a Coates brain fart.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 24, 2019 17:14:55 GMT
There's no point firing him mid way through season even if it's not working. It's not worked for us before so no point doing it again, unless relegation is a possibility of course. NJ better get through the 3rd round of the FA Cup. Going out to rubbish usually results in a Coates brain fart. I doubt the the cups are considered a priority any more. Everything will be geared up for promotion.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 24, 2019 17:15:58 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 24, 2019 17:17:26 GMT
I've been saying since Jones arrived that he was brought in with a brief to slash and burn. Rowett was given the chance to add to our (failed) Premiership squad in the hope that we'd bounce straight back. When it became clear this wasn't going to happen and the spectre of FFP setup shop in the boardroom the club decided to change approach and bring in a manager who would dismantle the Premiership squad and rebuild a functioning Championship squad with Championship quality players. Which is what is happening - and it might take a couple more transfer windows to complete the job. A lot of the complaints on here stem from posters not taking this on board. Like it or not we're not going to get out of this league by building a Premiership quality squad. If we get out of this league it will be because we've managed to build an effective team out of Championship quality players. On paper player for player we will be worse than we have been for over a decade - but hopefully the team will be better than the sun of it's parts - which will to a large extent be down to what Jones and his backroom staff can put together from the players they're bringing in. It's him building a League One sqaud where my worries lie. Do you mean like Chris wilder did at sheff utd?
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 24, 2019 17:24:27 GMT
NJ is quite open that he recruits players who he thinks can play at least a division higher than at when they were purchased. The players he wants seem on the whole, to be of character which has been sadly lacking. So you think Gregory can play in the prem? He will be 31 in Aug and spent just about all his career at Halifax and Millwall. Surely if Jones thinks he can play in the prem at 31 he would have done it already. The goalkeeper looks champ level Cousins if he signs looks bang average lower championship. Powell perhaps. If Jones believe they can all hack it in the Prem then he is wrong simple .
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Post by mattyd on Jun 24, 2019 17:46:56 GMT
Just cant see where the goals are coming from at the moment..
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2019 17:49:35 GMT
Just cant see where the goals are coming from at the moment.. Our 32 year freebie from Millwall will score a bagful.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 24, 2019 17:59:50 GMT
Just cant see where the goals are coming from at the moment.. Our 32 year freebie from Millwall will score a bagful. Well they certainly aren't coming from Leslie's big buys are they?
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2019 17:59:56 GMT
Just cant see where the goals are coming from at the moment.. Our 32 year freebie from Millwall will score a bagful. Maybe not but he scored plenty more than Afobe last season despite playing in a side even further further down the table.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 24, 2019 18:03:06 GMT
Just cant see where the goals are coming from at the moment.. What do you think we need then to change that opinion?
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2019 18:06:48 GMT
Our 32 year freebie from Millwall will score a bagful. Maybe not but he scored plenty more than Afobe last season despite playing in a side even further further down the table. 4 more in 10 more starts. We're saved.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2019 19:04:05 GMT
In particular the keeper worries me from the clips I have seen, he seems to parry nearly every shot back into the danger area a worrying trait for a first choice experienced keeper. That's also true of Pickford and it doesn't seem to worry Everton or England too much. Pickford would worry me if he was our keeper!
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Post by Absolution on Jun 24, 2019 19:14:36 GMT
Just cant see where the goals are coming from at the moment.. Our 32 year freebie from Millwall will score a bagful. He's aged quickly.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2019 21:13:46 GMT
Our 32 year freebie from Millwall will score a bagful. He's aged quickly. Playing for Stoke does that to you!! 31 then (2 weeks into the season)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2019 21:18:11 GMT
Playing for Stoke does that to you!! 31 then (2 weeks into the season) On a year deal on very good money apparently. We’ve learned loads
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 24, 2019 21:53:32 GMT
Throwing money at the problem will see us fall foul of FFP and a points deduction. Also the reality is Premiership quality players will choose a Premiership side before us and in terms of pecking order in the Championship we're in the same pool as the likes of WBA, Cardiff, Fulham, Leeds and a couple of others. We tried to do it by bringing in "top quality" Championship players to supplement a (dysfunctional) Premier League squad last year and the strategy failed. What Jones is doing is drastic - whether it works or not remains to be seen. If you look at all the teams that got promoted in the last two seasons they are all ex-Prem but have been out of the top flight for at least 3 seasons. By not clinging on to the delusion we're a Premiership club slumming it in the Championship we may well have chopped a couple of seasons off our return. And a couple of seasons where we don't end up looking like the Arsenal of the north and the embarrassment that brings. I don't see it as a 3 or 4 season project - I see it as 2 or 3 at most. I'd be surprised if we go up this season - and I'm not sure we're ready yet anyway. 2020/21 is the one where we'll know if the strategy has worked or not - if we just miss out Jones might get another season, if not he's out. Assuming he survives those baying for his blood by Xmas if we're not running away with the league. Again I see where you are coming from but I don’t think we will have the FFP problems that some clubs have had because a ) we are very aware of the issue and b) (despite what some would say) we are a well run and stable club. It’s possible to an extent to work round these issues as others have shown. Our existing squad wasn’t necessarily all bad - it was definitely under performing. It should be possible to turn most of those players into very effective Championship units. To me that’s as much the managers task as bringing in new players. As for delusional I really don’t think it is too far fetched to say that there isn’t another Championship club that wouldn’t swap their ownership / resources etc for ours and as such we really have to set our sights accordingly. If we keep hold of our Premier League players (most of whom don't want to be here) we will almost certainly fall foul of FFP. We are only doing what all ex-Premier League clubs do when faced with the realities of being in the Championship - the big plus is that we're doing it quicker than most and that might just mean getting back to the Premiership sooner rather than later. Like it or not the appointment of Jones went hand in hand with the stripping down and rebuilding strategy and its too late to turn back now. If we were going to buy our way back into the Premiership we would have chosen a different manager and we would be seeing a very different transfer policy to the one we're seeing now. I've no idea if what we are doing will come off - it might not. However we are where we are - and I'm looking forward to see how it pans out.
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Post by thehoof on Jun 24, 2019 22:01:31 GMT
42 days to turn the squad into beasts, especially the Full Backs, of which we have one! Can NJ not see that he is missing a vital piece of his plan- and if we don’t get JJ does anyone have any idea who the super athlete to be left back may be? Ashley Cole will probably be available 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 22:04:23 GMT
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Post by Widget123 on Jun 24, 2019 22:07:00 GMT
Remember Leicester bought Vardy for £1M and Mahrez for £450k. We ourselves bought Arnautovic for £2.8M, Nzonzi for £4.4M, Fayé for £2.9M. Being pragmatic in spending doesn't always end up with poor players - I'm holding judgement on everything until the end of September. Hopefully the newly restructured team will be up and running and in my eyes open for discussion then and not before a ball has been kicked in anger.
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Post by fazza90 on Jun 24, 2019 22:44:21 GMT
My major concern is still shifting all of our deadwood. I'm quite excited to see a younger & hungrier squad but it could be ruined if we still have the same old bad attitudes around infesting the atmosphere of the team
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Post by wuzza on Jun 24, 2019 22:56:57 GMT
Again I see where you are coming from but I don’t think we will have the FFP problems that some clubs have had because a ) we are very aware of the issue and b) (despite what some would say) we are a well run and stable club. It’s possible to an extent to work round these issues as others have shown. Our existing squad wasn’t necessarily all bad - it was definitely under performing. It should be possible to turn most of those players into very effective Championship units. To me that’s as much the managers task as bringing in new players. As for delusional I really don’t think it is too far fetched to say that there isn’t another Championship club that wouldn’t swap their ownership / resources etc for ours and as such we really have to set our sights accordingly. If we keep hold of our Premier League players (most of whom don't want to be here) we will almost certainly fall foul of FFP. We are only doing what all ex-Premier League clubs do when faced with the realities of being in the Championship - the big plus is that we're doing it quicker than most and that might just mean getting back to the Premiership sooner rather than later. Like it or not the appointment of Jones went hand in hand with the stripping down and rebuilding strategy and its too late to turn back now. If we were going to buy our way back into the Premiership we would have chosen a different manager and we would be seeing a very different transfer policy to the one we're seeing now. I've no idea if what we are doing will come off - it might not. However we are where we are - and I'm looking forward to see how it pans out. That means that the ownership - in the space of about 6 months - went from a ‘promotion or bust’ policy with Rowett to doing a complete u-turn where we are starting all over again and meandering to some sort of possible improvement over a period of years. In the meantime we lose a vast chunk of the supporter base ( and revenue stream) we built in the previous 10 years. That’s a heck of an about turn and I simply don’t believe the organisation has made such a drastic alteration in its goals or policies and to be fair at no point has Jones ever given any indication he isn’t expected to achieve something very quickly. Our current transfer policy could be just a direct reflection of his area of expertise.
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Post by Gods on Jun 24, 2019 23:15:07 GMT
I didn't know the boss has his own range of after shave.
I'll try anything once!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 25, 2019 0:56:50 GMT
42 days to turn the squad into beasts, especially the Full Backs, of which we have one! Can NJ not see that he is missing a vital piece of his plan- and if we don’t get JJ does anyone have any idea who the super athlete to be left back may be? Ashley Cole will probably be available 😉 Blind faith
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Post by samwidge on Jun 25, 2019 1:40:57 GMT
I've been saying since Jones arrived that he was brought in with a brief to slash and burn. Rowett was given the chance to add to our (failed) Premiership squad in the hope that we'd bounce straight back. When it became clear this wasn't going to happen and the spectre of FFP setup shop in the boardroom the club decided to change approach and bring in a manager who would dismantle the Premiership squad and rebuild a functioning Championship squad with Championship quality players. Which is what is happening - and it might take a couple more transfer windows to complete the job. A lot of the complaints on here stem from posters not taking this on board. Like it or not we're not going to get out of this league by building a Premiership quality squad. If we get out of this league it will be because we've managed to build an effective team out of Championship quality players. On paper player for player we will be worse than we have been for over a decade - but hopefully the team will be better than the sun of it's parts - which will to a large extent be down to what Jones and his backroom staff can put together from the players they're bringing in. Boom 💥 . And drop the mike
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