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Post by crapslinger on Jun 17, 2019 15:57:34 GMT
What will become of these players ?, any estimations on how much they are costing us every season until we are rid of them ?, amazingly the transfer team that oversaw these signings are still firmly entrenched at the club.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 17, 2019 15:58:47 GMT
And, who remains to be sacked because of this ?
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Post by kelw on Jun 17, 2019 16:06:11 GMT
The manager who wanted the players?
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Post by baystokie on Jun 17, 2019 17:53:36 GMT
What will become of these players ?, any estimations on how much they are costing us every season until we are rid of them ?, amazingly the transfer team that oversaw these signings are still firmly entrenched at the club. Unfortunately, until rectified (though Lord knows when or how?), this thread could be put on a loop to be regurgitated ad nauseum!
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 17, 2019 17:58:23 GMT
More important than this, we need a thread to discuss new signings.
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Post by Absolution on Jun 17, 2019 18:04:53 GMT
I'm having some of this.
We should fuck 'em all off.
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Post by Davef on Jun 17, 2019 18:09:39 GMT
And, who remains to be sacked because of this ? The manager who wanted Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer has been sacked. The man who wanted Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Ince and Woods has been sacked. Do we really need another discussion about this absolute bollocks?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 17, 2019 18:15:09 GMT
One thing is for sure, this managerial appointment needs to work out. If it doesn't the moral of the story will be on the club for not spending the top doe on the very best they can afford, that's going right back to the signing of a proven failure in Mark Hughes, we could have really made a statement by signing a top manager instead of a cheap proven failure desperate for an opportunity to fuck another club up. This is especially when its the manager overseeing multi million pound transfers every season & saddling the club with these burdens on long contracts if they don't work out. Surely with massive amounts of money at stake you hire the very best you can afford to make the decisions. But maybe the very best don't like pizza?
If you are signing your proven failures you can hardly say it come as a surprise when they fuck your club up
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 18:19:43 GMT
And, who remains to be sacked because of this ? The manager who wanted Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer has been sacked. The man who wanted Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Ince and Woods has been sacked. Do we really need another discussion about this absolute bollocks? Apparently we do. I mean, it's not like it's permeated every single other thread on the board.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 17, 2019 18:23:01 GMT
And, who remains to be sacked because of this ? The manager who wanted Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer has been sacked. The man who wanted Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Ince and Woods has been sacked. Do we really need another discussion about this absolute bollocks? And the people who oversaw these and more transfers and contract extensions are still here, the transfer team that carried out the due diligence, carried out in depth analysis, watched each and every one of these players twenty five times are guess what still in employment. Are you honestly saying that the board and Cartwright have no blame attached for these dud signings ? there is about £120m of players who are not good enough or will never put a Stoke strip on again.
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Post by Davef on Jun 17, 2019 18:29:37 GMT
The manager who wanted Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer has been sacked. The man who wanted Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Ince and Woods has been sacked. Do we really need another discussion about this absolute bollocks? And the people who oversaw these and more transfers and contract extensions are still here, the transfer team that carried out the due diligence, carried out in depth analysis, watched each and every one of these players twenty five times are guess what still in employment. Are you honestly saying that the board and Cartwright have no blame attached for these dud signings ? there is about £120m of players who are not good enough or will never put a Stoke strip on again. How was Cartwright and his team expected to watch the players on Rowett's wanted list 25 times? And no, I'm not saying others at the club aren't to blame for where we are now. I just prefer not to bore everyone shitless about it 24/7.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 17, 2019 18:35:30 GMT
And the people who oversaw these and more transfers and contract extensions are still here, the transfer team that carried out the due diligence, carried out in depth analysis, watched each and every one of these players twenty five times are guess what still in employment. Are you honestly saying that the board and Cartwright have no blame attached for these dud signings ? there is about £120m of players who are not good enough or will never put a Stoke strip on again. How was Cartwright and his team expected to watch the players on Rowett's wanted list 25 times? And no, I'm not saying others at the club aren't to blame for where we are now. I just prefer not to bore everyone shitless about it 24/7. Their words not mine, the others at the club who are to blame are still here though the ones blamed for all of it have gone so what do these people contribute ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 18:56:30 GMT
And, who remains to be sacked because of this ? The manager who wanted Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer has been sacked. The man who wanted Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Ince and Woods has been sacked. Do we really need another discussion about this absolute bollocks? Obviously yes, until every fucker is sacked
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 17, 2019 19:20:55 GMT
Maybe someone shouldve left my comment be ? ....and . not enough blood in the carpet..... Im not forgiving nor forgetting .
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Jun 17, 2019 19:33:35 GMT
What about the uttercunt players? On massive contracts with no interest in proving themselves as good players,repaying our faith in them, or actually earning a move elsewhere.
The lowest of the low.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 17, 2019 20:06:16 GMT
Yes agree and seemingly, we cant sack those fuckers either
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 17, 2019 20:20:19 GMT
Absolute bollocks eh ?And so, I would ask readers most humbly to read the head title of this thread again and, if thats boring, repetitive, unworthy, bollocks even and, deemed unecessary to keep high profile on this Mb, then frankly, I dont really know what is.......
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Post by Veritas on Jun 18, 2019 0:28:44 GMT
What will become of these players ?, any estimations on how much they are costing us every season until we are rid of them ?, amazingly the transfer team that oversaw these signings are still firmly entrenched at the club. There have already been at least 50 threads on this, look at one of the old ones instead of waiting for the same axes to be ground in public let again.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2019 6:09:15 GMT
What will become of these players ?, any estimations on how much they are costing us every season until we are rid of them ?, amazingly the transfer team that oversaw these signings are still firmly entrenched at the club. There have already been at least 50 threads on this, look at one of the old ones instead of waiting for the same axes to be ground in public let again. And there's now 51 just keep ignoring the truth, if you don't like it don't reply to it simple it's a messageboard it's for discussing all things Stoke City, for me this happens to be a significant issue within our club an albatross around our necks, sweeping it under the carpet trying to forget it will not work, the fact is the people who have part responsibility for this are still working at our club !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:06:29 GMT
And, who remains to be sacked because of this ? The manager who wanted Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer has been sacked. The man who wanted Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Ince and Woods has been sacked. And the man who signed Vokes...?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 18, 2019 12:09:58 GMT
The manager who wanted Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer has been sacked. The man who wanted Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Ince and Woods has been sacked. And the man who signed Vokes...? Why are we writing Vokes off so quickly?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2019 12:10:46 GMT
The manager who wanted Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer has been sacked. The man who wanted Afobe, McClean, Clucas, Ince and Woods has been sacked. And the man who signed Vokes...? Would that as some on here would have it Nathan ! or the man who never interferes in transfer dealings Hoss Cartwright ?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2019 12:12:40 GMT
And the man who signed Vokes...? Why are we writing Vokes off so quickly? Does he look like a £9m striker so far ? or does he just need a pre season and time to adapt to his new surroundings after all it's a massive culture shock after Burnley.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 18, 2019 12:19:17 GMT
Why are we writing Vokes off so quickly? Does he look like a £9m striker so far ? or does he just need a pre season and time to adapt to his new surroundings after all it's a massive culture shock after Burnley. A pre-season to get up to full fitness, is that really a radical suggestion? Three goals in 10 starts isn't even that bad and they were all superbly taken, he wins plenty in the air, the ball sticks to him up front. That's all with him looking sluggish and unfit. I'd say there's been enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:22:15 GMT
And the man who signed Vokes...? Why are we writing Vokes off so quickly? Just be glad I didn't mention Batth, who is detrimental to what Jones hopes to achieve although he doesn't know it...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 18, 2019 12:30:39 GMT
Why are we writing Vokes off so quickly? Just be glad I didn't mention Batth, who is detrimental to what Jones hopes to achieve although he doesn't know it... I'm not sure he is detrimental to what he hopes to achieve? His Luton defenders weren't exactly Beckenbauer clones?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 18, 2019 12:32:35 GMT
That £60m + could put together a decent Championship side.
If we don't get Back into the Premiership in the next 2 seasons,we could be looking at just £6m to put a team together.
What a fucking come down from beating the Bin Dippers 6-1 just a few seasons ago.
Some fuckers at the club allowed these signings that cost the club £60m+.
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Post by Davef on Jun 18, 2019 12:53:16 GMT
Some fuckers at the club allowed these signings that cost the club £60m+. What do you expect them to do exactly? Look into their crystal balls?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 12:59:29 GMT
Just be glad I didn't mention Batth, who is detrimental to what Jones hopes to achieve although he doesn't know it... I'm not sure he is detrimental to what he hopes to achieve? His Luton defenders weren't exactly Beckenbauer clones? Ours don't have to be that at all. It would just be constructive if he wére to give up on his penchant for passing, if you can even call it passing, the ball straight to the opponent every time he has the ball at his feet. Presumably Jones doesn't want his team to be spending all the time defending in our last third, but that's what's the end result of Batth's limited ability. So I'm hoping that whoever we sign at centreback is someone who can do better.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 18, 2019 13:00:01 GMT
Transfers of any type or value are an inherent risk. But there are ways to mitigate said risk by recruiting smartly and ensuring that the players you sign can fit into a tactical system. The aforementioned players were signed for first Hughes, who had no coherent tactical system with which to deploy them irrespective of their individual failings. With Rowett it was a case of him moving away from his usual limited tactics to attempt something more expansive only to end up somewhere in between.
It's essential that whoever Jones signs fits his desired system. Not sign a player and then fit him to what you can.
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