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Post by xchpotter on Jun 15, 2019 7:59:52 GMT
Always thought he was better than some thought. He ran funny, was occasionally a bit mental and prone to the odd balls up, but we’ve had far,far worse centre halves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 8:04:51 GMT
And as I’ve told you two billion times. No it’s not. Did I say you personally Bayern? If he was made of chocolate he’d eat himself, he’s been back a few weeks and his narcissism is already grating on me. The sun’s shining time to go out.....
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 15, 2019 8:09:06 GMT
Just how the fuck did we ruin Kevin Wimmer? Look at his career to the point we signed him. Spurs fans on the whole rated him and actually thought we got a bargain. What went wrong? And why over these last 3/4 years have so many supposedly good players come here and done nothing? You must have been speaking to different Spurs fans from me. I work with plenty of them. I think it is fair to say that pretty much without exception they could not believe their good fortune. Whether or not that was a more general view, it was self evidently a bad (very, very bad) deal.
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Post by zerps on Jun 15, 2019 8:09:54 GMT
Wolly miles better than wimmer
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jun 15, 2019 8:13:17 GMT
Southampton were linked with signing him just before we did. I work with a few Southampton fans and they couldn't believe we got him instead of them. I thought he did ok to be honest, yes made mistakes and looked slow on occasions. But results were not that bad when he played for us.
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Post by vahl on Jun 15, 2019 8:14:37 GMT
Would not be surprised at all if we couldn't get another German player to sign for us. The treatment of Wollscheid here was fairly gross. He was basically bullied out of the club. Brilliant defender too. Go back through the games he played in and you'll see the majority were quality performances. Yet we will give half the current lot a free pass? Do you actually believe that? Yeah I do. I wont go in to great details but I am saying he was treated unfairly here. He was talented and should have played more games for this club. Does it matter now? No.
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Post by minnierover on Jun 15, 2019 8:15:07 GMT
If someone can point me to another footballer that has had or is suffering such a drastic and immediate downturn in their career to the point they ended up playing for a local futsal team then I'd love to read about it Definitely Berahino. 4 years ago he was the u21 English top scorer over Kane and Sterling, then got called up to the senior squad. Now he’s finished.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 15, 2019 8:18:26 GMT
The two things that come to mind with Wollscheid are that he could probably walk faster than he could run and he was a right mardarse who loved to bollock others for his own mistakes.
Not the worst player we’ve ever had but I don’t know where the myth has come from that he was a decent player.
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Post by datguy on Jun 15, 2019 8:19:21 GMT
Big part of the 2015/16 team.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 8:22:01 GMT
This thread is pointless, going over old ground for no reason.
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Post by Gods on Jun 15, 2019 8:27:01 GMT
I liked him as a person, what I saw anyway, but I didn't think he was very good at football from the first second I clapped eyes on him.
Movement, coordination, passing, trapping, running with the ball, just running at all, those kind of fairly important things.
I'll say I thought very much the same of Steve Bould though and he carved out a career at a high level so looking to the layman like an absolute carthorse of a player isn't always a show stopper.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 15, 2019 8:30:45 GMT
Would not be surprised at all if we couldn't get another German player to sign for us. The treatment of Wollscheid here was fairly gross. He was basically bullied out of the club. Brilliant defender too. Go back through the games he played in and you'll see the majority were quality performances. Yet we will give half the current lot a free pass? No he wasn't bullied I thought it was because he came second in a 2 man boxing match post game after he felt compelled to deliver a less than complimentary assessment of a fellow centre halves performance causing another team mate to take exception and him to be a loser after throwing his handbag first. Its so long ago now I cant even remember who it was who punched him out (allegedly of course)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2019 8:31:26 GMT
Look at his career to the point we signed him. Spurs fans on the whole rated him and actually thought we got a bargain. What went wrong? And why over these last 3/4 years have so many supposedly good players come here and done nothing? You must have been speaking to different Spurs fans from me. I work with plenty of them. I think it is fair to say that pretty much without exception they could not believe their good fortune. Whether or not that was a more general view, it was self evidently a bad (very, very bad) deal. You just have to look at their mb at the time. The thread was posted on here. He had done well for them. But spinning it around to a wider point. How many players since 2015 that we have signed have improved? 2? Grant and Etebo are the two off the top of my head. How many have got worse? Zouma, Wimmer, Imbula, Badou, Woods, Ince, Afobe, Indi, Tymon, all again off the top of my head. It’s a worrying trend that is a damning indictment on the scouting and coaching.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 15, 2019 8:32:14 GMT
Ever likely you were a massive fan then, shares all your traits.... I wasn’t averse to his signing no. Up until he signed us he’d had an excellent player. Then we ruined another one. And he was atrocious for us. It’s happened a bit too often recently. The common denominator being this club. That's the biggest load of shit I've heard for a while. I told the lot of you before he even signed he was an overweight accident waiting to happen. Ruined an excellent player my arse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2019 8:32:39 GMT
Do you actually believe that? Yeah I do. I wont go in to great details but I am saying he was treated unfairly here. He was talented and should have played more games for this club. Does it matter now? No. Sounds like his on pitch persona bit him on the arse. Which isn’t a surprise.
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Post by adi on Jun 15, 2019 8:42:53 GMT
Have we really got people calling people names on here? It’s tragic.
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Post by lordb on Jun 15, 2019 8:56:54 GMT
You must have been speaking to different Spurs fans from me. I work with plenty of them. I think it is fair to say that pretty much without exception they could not believe their good fortune. Whether or not that was a more general view, it was self evidently a bad (very, very bad) deal. You just have to look at their mb at the time. The thread was posted on here. He had done well for them. But spinning it around to a wider point. How many players since 2015 that we have signed have improved? 2? Grant and Etebo are the two off the top of my head. How many have got worse? Zouma, Wimmer, Imbula, Badou, Woods, Ince, Afobe, Indi, Tymon, all again off the top of my head. It’s a worrying trend that is a damning indictment on the scouting and coaching. Badou didn't get worse Afobe was shit for Bournemouth Ince was inconsistent everywhere Zouma and Indi? Don't agree with your assessment Imbula yes Tymon yes Woods yes
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2019 9:01:25 GMT
You just have to look at their mb at the time. The thread was posted on here. He had done well for them. But spinning it around to a wider point. How many players since 2015 that we have signed have improved? 2? Grant and Etebo are the two off the top of my head. How many have got worse? Zouma, Wimmer, Imbula, Badou, Woods, Ince, Afobe, Indi, Tymon, all again off the top of my head. It’s a worrying trend that is a damning indictment on the scouting and coaching. Badou didn't get worse Afobe was shit for Bournemouth Ince was inconsistent everywhere Zouma and Indi? Don't agree with your assessment Imbula yes Tymon yes Woods yes Zouma was dreadful for us. A brain fart of a player. Indi since he signed permanently has been average at best. Afobe did alright at Bournemouth and his goals record in the PL for a player used a lot off the bench was fine. Ince imo is top bollock Championship player.
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Post by Absolution on Jun 15, 2019 9:06:14 GMT
With Wolly I think the perception was worse than the reality.
He probably made a similar number of mistakes as your average Premier League central defender, but there was something about his demeanour that made you clench your sphincter when the ball was heading towards him.
The hissy fit (against Palace?) was spectacular, as was the somewhat unnecessarily violent slap from Pieters to snap him out of it.
I can't help thinking his rapid decline might be more due to other issues than purely footballing ones - that's just guesswork on my part, I don't have any info to back it up.
I found him oddly likeable.
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Post by Gods on Jun 15, 2019 9:08:31 GMT
Badou didn't get worse Afobe was shit for Bournemouth Ince was inconsistent everywhere Zouma and Indi? Don't agree with your assessment Imbula yes Tymon yes Woods yes Zouma was dreadful for us. A brain fart of a player. Indi since he signed permanently has been average at best. Afobe did alright at Bournemouth and his goals record in the PL for a player used a lot off the bench was fine. Ince imo is top bollock Championship player. I think that technically Ince is top quality, he looks so comfortable running with the ball, poise and balance, a level above most Championship players. My sense is that in this division he needs to marry that up with a saltier degree of manliness, then we really might have something. But for sure with the possible the exception of Bojan he is our smoothest operator, no one else is even in the frame.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 15, 2019 9:42:02 GMT
He could play football. At first, I thought we had signed the 'new Alan Hansen' then, I quickly realised he had serious behavioural issues and critically - He was slower than a week in jail
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 9:45:47 GMT
Badou didn't get worse Afobe was shit for Bournemouth Ince was inconsistent everywhere Zouma and Indi? Don't agree with your assessment Imbula yes Tymon yes Woods yes Zouma was dreadful for us. A brain fart of a player. Indi since he signed permanently has been average at best. Afobe did alright at Bournemouth and his goals record in the PL for a player used a lot off the bench was fine. Ince imo is top bollock Championship player. So there are 99% of all footballers that you think are shite, and then you single out Ince as 'top bollock'. I cant say I'm surprised.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 15, 2019 10:11:46 GMT
Badou didn't get worse Afobe was shit for Bournemouth Ince was inconsistent everywhere Zouma and Indi? Don't agree with your assessment Imbula yes Tymon yes Woods yes Zouma was dreadful for us. A brain fart of a player. Indi since he signed permanently has been average at best. Afobe did alright at Bournemouth and his goals record in the PL for a player used a lot off the bench was fine. Ince imo is top bollock Championship player. Zouma has always been the same though, it didn't suddenly start with us. Same with Indi, we should never have signed him permanently.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 15, 2019 10:37:07 GMT
This thread is pointless, going over old ground for no reason. Almost certainly true. Mind you, if you applied that measure rigidly, anyone opening the Oatcake would be engulfed in tumbleweed.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 15, 2019 11:15:57 GMT
Just how the fuck did we ruin Kevin Wimmer? Look at his career to the point we signed him. Spurs fans on the whole rated him and actually thought we got a bargain. What went wrong? And why over these last 3/4 years have so many supposedly good players come here and done nothing? one can only assume that the ones who thought he was a bargain hadn't seen the size of him or how he played football before we chose to sign him. Also there are a fair few spurs fans, or so I've heard. The law of statistics equates to there being many total morons amongst their number so that may also explain their bizarrely wide of the mark opinion about the signing of tubby Wimmer.
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Post by numberounominion on Jun 15, 2019 11:27:12 GMT
If someone can point me to another footballer that has had or is suffering such a drastic and immediate downturn in their career to the point they ended up playing for a local futsal team then I'd love to read about it Saddo berahino
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 15, 2019 11:30:46 GMT
But it’s not true either way is it? It was because he was so damn bad. The results when he played probably don’t back that statement up Distinctly remember him playing in a defense that included Muniesa and Cameron and we had a ten-game fun or so when we barely conceded. That’s conveniently been forgotten.
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Post by zerps on Jun 15, 2019 11:37:16 GMT
This thread is pointless, going over old ground for no reason. Welcome to the oatcake
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 11:42:52 GMT
All gone downhill since he stopped playing.
Coincidence? I think not.
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Post by numberounominion on Jun 15, 2019 11:43:27 GMT
First things, first... Wolly was not a good player and he was off the pace
That said, he was in no way as bad as Wimmer
I remember seeing Wimmer v league 2 coventry and every player in the Coventry team was taking him on for pace and doing him. He was so bad that Mark Hughes was constantly harassing sobhi ( who unfortunately was on the same side of the pitch as Hughes for the first half) ,to help him out ( double up) which he did, but was then nowhere to be seen when the ball went out wide to him. Second half, out of earshot of Hughes sobhi got out wide, got running at their full back, won us a penalty, set up a couple of chances and had a decent game. Wimmer was so bad, he could make his team mates ( sobhi) have a bad game aswell as having his own shocker
Wollys downfall was shawcross didn't like him. Shawcross was actually injured for about 15 games and without him, Wolly played better and the defence improved. That said, he was a bit rubbish.
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