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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 12:23:21 GMT
I imagine Mandelson was appointed, like all Commissioners (by Qualified Majority Vote) by the European Council, ie the elected Governments of the member states. I thought a Commissioner was broadly the EU equivalent of a civil service Permanent Secretary. However, you seem to know more about this than me, and are pretty clear that it (the Commission) is not the equivalent of the Civil Service. Quite possible I have been wrong all these years - often the case. But perhaps you could let us know what the role of the Commission is? My point is that Mandelson was appointed to a very important position, but was not even elected to anything. It is ( deliberately) complicated BUT in my opinion ( and at one time Merkel and Sarkosy)...the power of the EU lies in the unminuted Eurogroup. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/eurogroup/how-the-eurogroup-works/The European Commission represents the common interests of the EU and is the EU’s main executive body. It uses its ‘right of initiative’ to put forward proposals for new laws, which are scrutinised and adopted by the European Parliament and the Council of the European Union. It also manages EU policies (except for the Common Foreign and Security Policy, which is conducted by the High Representative for CFSP, Vice-President of the European Commission), and the EU’s budget and ensures that countries apply EU law correctly. Representation offices act as the Commission’s voice across the EU. They monitor and analyse public opinion in their host country, provide information about EU policies and the way the EU works, and facilitate the Commission’s cooperation with the host member country. The work of these 4 main EU institutions, which covers the legislative and executive tasks of the EU, is complemented by the work of another 3 EU institutions: the Court of Justice of the European Union, the European Central Bank and the European Court of Auditors. These 3 institutions are responsible for managing the judicial, financial and external audit aspects of the European Union. Overview Role: Promotes the general interest of the EU by proposing and enforcing legislation as well as by implementing policies and the EU budget Members: A team or 'College' of Commissioners, 1 from each EU country President: Ursula von der Leyen Year established: 1958 Location: Brussels (Belgium) Website: European Commission The European Commission is the EU's politically independent executive arm. It is alone responsible for drawing up proposals for new European legislation, and it implements the decisions of the European Parliament and the Council of the EU. What does the Commission do? Proposes new laws The Commission is the sole EU institution tabling laws for adoption by the Parliament and the Council that: protect the interests of the EU and its citizens on issues that can't be dealt with effectively at national level get technical details right by consulting experts and the public Manages EU policies & allocates EU funding sets EU spending priorities, together with the Council and Parliament draws up annual budgets for approval by the Parliament and Council supervises how the money is spent, under scrutiny by the Court of Auditors Enforces EU law together with the Court of Justice, ensures that EU law is properly applied in all the member countries Represents the EU internationally speaks on behalf of all EU countries in international bodies, in particular in areas of trade policy and humanitarian aid negotiates international agreements for the EU Composition Political leadership is provided by a team of 27 Commissioners (one from each EU country) – led by the Commission President, who decides who is responsible for which policy area. The College of Commissioners is composed of the President of the Commission, eight Vice-Presidents, including three Executive Vice-Presidents, the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, and 18 Commissioners, each responsible for a portfolio. The day-to-day running of Commission business is performed by its staff (lawyers, economists, etc.), organised into departments known as Directorates-General (DGs), each responsible for a specific policy area. Appointing the President The candidate is put forward by national leaders in the European Council, taking account of the results of the European Parliament elections. He or she needs the support of a majority of members of the European Parliament in order to be elected. Selecting the team The Presidential candidate selects potential Vice-Presidents and Commissioners based on suggestions from the EU countries. The list of nominees has to be approved by national leaders in the European Council. Each nominee appears before the European Parliament to explain their vision and answer questions. Parliament then votes on whether to accept the nominees as a team. Finally, they are appointed by the European Council, by a qualified majority. The current Commission's term of office runs until 31 October 2024. How does the Commission work? Strategic planning The President defines the policy direction for the Commission, which enables the Commissioners together to decide strategic objectives, and produce the annual work programme. Collective decision making Decisions are taken based on collective responsibility. All Commissioners are equal in the decision-making process and equally accountable for these decisions. They do not have any individual decision-making powers, except when authorized in certain situations. The Vice-Presidents act on behalf of the President and coordinate work in their area of responsibility, together with several Commissioners. Priority projects are defined to help ensure that the College works together in a close and flexible manner. Commissioners support Vice-Presidents in submitting proposals to the College. In general, decisions are made by consensus, but votes can also take place. In this case, decisions are taken by simple majority, where every Commissioner has one vote. The relevant Directorate-General (headed by a Director-General, answerable to the relevant Commissioner) then takes up the subject. This is usually done in the form of draft legislative proposals. These are then resubmitted to the Commissioners for adoption at their weekly meeting, after which they become official, and are sent to the Council and the Parliament for the next stage in the EU legislative process. european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/institutions-and-bodies/types-institutions-and-bodies_en#:~:text=The%20European%20Union's%20institutional%20set,the%20EU%20and%20European%20people.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 6, 2023 12:25:32 GMT
That's your opinion, but things are not quite like that. A bit of a ridiculous statement really, not even relevant to the EU....but I don't think most of my generation are dossers etc who had it easy, a slight exagerration I think . ....you soubd a bit like a victim....Important to me, My dad was a miner for 47 years in council housing in Fegg Hayes, most of our neighbours were similar He had to do his best to earn a living for his family....most working class people have to do the same pre and post Brexit. Now you have edited it , you seem to want to attack the boomers.....actually I agree with some of that the immediate past generations have not done this generation any favours in many many ways...but that is a much much wider issue than Brexit. I don't see the point of getting too personal about me, 7 years after the referendum, I think a few people voted leave for different reasons, it isn't very healthy to carry alot of hstred imo there's no point presenting different views on this thread it always degenerates into personal insults and abuse . The main thing i've noticed is despite the thread being 1100 pages long its the same dozen or so posters who are pedalling their views throughout so it doesn't look as if thay have persuaded any body to their cause. i,ve come to the conclusion that its best to avoid voicing an opinion and let the regulars on this thread wallow in their mutually shared misery. sorry should be the government shambles thread but same argumment applies.
Yep, even though Brexit has been an epic failure there are still people believing in it. Astonishing really.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 12:26:01 GMT
We know all about what you don’t want. Care to share what you do want that we couldn’t previously do until leaving the EU? See Fos's comment above on rinse and repeat ...or go back to page 1 and reread. Unfortunately I have a few other thing to do which obviously you will interpret as a cop out...but I promise to catch up with you ( on exactly the same issues) early in 2024
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 6, 2023 12:27:00 GMT
Nor is Corbyn, Fox, Galloway and Lynch?...and the Labour party itself, whose recommendation was to vote Remain. It seems it has got to be personal against Farage Mostly with Farage it was his method to get the votes. Blaming everything on foreigners and immigration isn't exactly genius but it works. The breaking point poster was vile. It's personal against Farage because he's a grifter and a fascist.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 12:29:56 GMT
You said Not true .... Of course it's true, I'm not surprised you are unwilling to debate when you are unable to accept Basic matter of Fact EU countries implement the CAP 2023-27 with a CAP Strategic Plan at national level Each Plan combines a wide range of targeted interventions addressing the specific needs of that EU country and deliver tangible results in relation to EU-level objectives, while contributing to the ambitions of the European Green Deal.EU countries were required to produce a thorough assessment of what must be done, based on a strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats (SWOT) analysis of their territory and agri-food sector. They were given until 31 December 2021 to submit their CAP Strategic Plans. Following this, the Commission had six months to approve the Plans ahead of their implementation in January 2023. The approval process was based on the criteria laid down in Regulation (EU) 2021/2115 establishing rules on support for strategic plans to be drawn up by EU countries under the common agricultural policy (CAP Strategic Plans). The Commission assessed whether the EU countries’ CAP Strategic Plans contribute to, and are consistent with, EU legislation and commitments in relation to climate and the environment, including those laid out in the Farm to Fork and Biodiversity strategies. The Commission supported EU countries throughout the whole process of preparation of their CAP Strategic Plan so that:• EU countries take full advantage of the CAP 2023-27 and its instruments to support their farmers in the transition towards increased sustainability in our food systems. • Each CAP Strategic Plan includes an intervention strategy explaining how each EU country will use CAP instruments to achieve the CAP objectives, in keeping with the Green Deal ambitions. agriculture.ec.europa.eu/cap-my-country/cap-strategic-plans_enI don't think anyone is claiming EU is perfect, no system of Governance is, but you need to compare if you change what is the alternative you end up with, hence "be careful what you wish for" The reason people generally, apart from lobbying, leave things to MPs is that is the system of Governance we have chosen I.e Parliamentary Democracy where the chosen MPs is entrusted to vote on behalf of all Constituents You do realise that UK has left EU but UK has not left ECJ ? as a consequence of signing a Trade and Cooperation Agreement TCA and UK appoints 3 Judges to that Court The European Court of Human Rights ECHR has nothing to do with EU it is part of Council of Europe which Churchill was one of its prime movers in establishing. All European Countries except Russia and Belarus are members and it does what it says on the tin, make rulings on adherence to Human Rights. I am well aware of the EU institutions, thank you. Particularly how remote and anti democratic they are. How many predidents are thete now, I can't recall if it is one, five or seven? I have visited with them several times and engaged with many ( overwhelmingly pro) EU personalities. A basic error on your lesson...I said European Court of Justice , not the ECHR....you fo realise there is a fifference. european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/institutions-and-bodies/types-institutions-and-bodies_en#:~:text=The%20European%20Union's%20institutional%20set,the%20EU%20and%20European%20people. www.eurodiaconia.org/resources/social-policy-toolkit/chapter-i-back-to-the-basics/the-institutions-and-their-roles/. Your Question: How many predidents are thete now, I can't recall if it is one, five or seven? Answer: None of the above, there are 3 European Commission President: Elected by MEPs, same as PM European Parliament President: again Elected by MEPs, same as Leader of the House European Council President: Elected by the Head of State of each Member Country when they meet to discuss Policy etc a Chairman if you like You may well be aware of the EU Institutions but you were incorrect in your understanding its CAP operations which is what I clarified Yes I am well aware of the difference between DCJ and ECHR as I outlined above It was entirely clear, at least to me, which you were referring to. It also appeared, again at least to me, that you were implying as a result of Brexit we had left one or the other or both. We haven't UK is still a Member of both ECJ and ECHR, albeit some Conservative MPs would like to change that status
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Post by elystokie on Jul 6, 2023 12:38:30 GMT
there's no point presenting different views on this thread it always degenerates into personal insults and abuse . The main thing i've noticed is despite the thread being 1100 pages long its the same dozen or so posters who are pedalling their views throughout so it doesn't look as if thay have persuaded any body to their cause. i,ve come to the conclusion that its best to avoid voicing an opinion and let the regulars on this thread wallow in their mutually shared misery. sorry should be the government shambles thread but same argumment applies.
Yep, even though Brexit has been an epic failure there are still people believing in it. Astonishing really. There are still people who believe in the drug war too, another costly, colossal failure.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 12:40:38 GMT
I'm sure you have BigJohn I wasn't a member of this MB at the time You decided not to reply to my post but rather introduce some new subject, OK I'll bite. There are 27 Commissioners appointed to the Commission one for each Country. You seem upset that Mandelson was appointed by UK Government, fair enough Given your linked reason as an objection to Mandelsons appointment you must have been distraught when Boris appointed Evgeny Lebedev the son of an Oligarch and High Ranking KGB Officer as one of the 777 unelected Members of the House of Lords? I'm afraid it will take a bit more than a messageboard to upset me. As you say Mandelson was appointed not elected, a very influential man....even those who think they are the true Left have problems with the Prince of Darkness. Have you sorted out your confusion between the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Humam Rights? Pretty Basic Appointed I didn't want to give the impression you would be upset by this MB, apologies if that was your interpretation But rather the appointment of the son of a Russian Oligarch and High Ranking KGB Officer to the Unelected Chamber of the UK Parliament A bit like putting a Fox in the Hen House don't you think? I am well aware of the difference between ECJ and ECHR which was why I said in my original post that the latter had nothing to do with the EU
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 12:42:00 GMT
Your Question: How many predidents are thete now, I can't recall if it is one, five or seven? Answer: None of the above, there are 3 European Commission President: Elected by MEPs, same as PM European Parliament President: again Elected by MEPs, same as Leader of the House European Council President: Elected by the Head of State of each Member Country when they meet to discuss Policy etc a Chairman if you like You may well be aware of the EU Institutions but you were incorrect in your understanding its CAP operations which is what I clarified Yes I am well aware of the difference between DCJ and ECHR as I outlined above It was entirely clear, at least to me, which you were referring to. It also appeared, again at least to me, that you were implying as a result of Brexit we had left one or the other or both. We haven't UK is still a Member of both ECJ and ECHR, albeit some Conservative MPs would like to change that status I didn't mention the ECHR. Three Presidents!! I'll leave it with you
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 12:59:54 GMT
Your Question: How many predidents are thete now, I can't recall if it is one, five or seven? Answer: None of the above, there are 3 European Commission President: Elected by MEPs, same as PM European Parliament President: again Elected by MEPs, same as Leader of the House European Council President: Elected by the Head of State of each Member Country when they meet to discuss Policy etc a Chairman if you like You may well be aware of the EU Institutions but you were incorrect in your understanding its CAP operations which is what I clarified Yes I am well aware of the difference between DCJ and ECHR as I outlined above It was entirely clear, at least to me, which you were referring to. It also appeared, again at least to me, that you were implying as a result of Brexit we had left one or the other or both. We haven't UK is still a Member of both ECJ and ECHR, albeit some Conservative MPs would like to change that status I didn't mention the ECHR. Three Presidents!! I'll leave it with you You didn't mention ECJ either what you actually said was " Remote Courts of Justice"You will notice your use of the plural "Courts" As I have said it wasn't apparent to me which or if both you were referring to. I've already covered the Three Presidents as being equivalent to PM, Leader of the House and a Chairman In the conduct of the Business of the House of Commons Do you think 22 Chairmen and up to 80 Vice-Chairmen is about right
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 13:01:53 GMT
I didn't mention the ECHR. Three Presidents!! I'll leave it with you You didn't mention ECJ either what you actually said was " Remote Courts of Justice"You will notice your use of the plural "Courts" As I have said it wasn't apparent to me which or if both you were referring to. I've already covered the Three Presidents as being equivalent to PM, Leader of the House and a Chairman In the conduct of the Business of the House of Commons Do you think 22 Chairmen and up to 80 Vice-Chairmen is about right Ungortunately, you got your apparently wrong.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 13:13:03 GMT
You didn't mention ECJ either what you actually said was " Remote Courts of Justice"You will notice your use of the plural "Courts" As I have said it wasn't apparent to me which or if both you were referring to. I've already covered the Three Presidents as being equivalent to PM, Leader of the House and a Chairman In the conduct of the Business of the House of Commons Do you think 22 Chairmen and up to 80 Vice-Chairmen is about right Ungortunately, you got your apparently wrong. No BigJohn you got your post wrong
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 13:16:50 GMT
Ungortunately, you got your apparently wrong. No BigJohn you got your post wrong No Wannabee, I didn't mention the ECHR. You presumed. No point continuing. Rinse and repeat.
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Post by foster on Jul 6, 2023 13:18:45 GMT
Never thought I'd say this, but can you lot get back to discussing Nigel Farage.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 6, 2023 13:39:17 GMT
We know all about what you don’t want. Care to share what you do want that we couldn’t previously do until leaving the EU? See Fos's comment above on rinse and repeat ...or go back to page 1 and reread. Unfortunately I have a few other thing to do which obviously you will interpret as a cop out...but I promise to catch up with you ( on exactly the same issues) early in 2024 You don’t mention at any point in this thread anything that remotely answers my question. You never have and you never will because you are completely out of ideas. You have replied endlessly about how negative everything to do with the EU is but cannot tell me one single positive thing we can do now we have left. It is extraordinary.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 13:40:37 GMT
See Fos's comment above on rinse and repeat ...or go back to page 1 and reread. Unfortunately I have a few other thing to do which obviously you will interpret as a cop out...but I promise to catch up with you ( on exactly the same issues) early in 2024 You don’t mention at any point in this thread anything that remotely answers my question. You never have and you never will because you are completely out of ideas. You have replied endlessly about how negative everything to do with the EU is but cannot tell me one single positive thing we can do now we have left. It is extraordinary. Thank you very much
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 13:41:57 GMT
I imagine Mandelson was appointed, like all Commissioners (by Qualified Majority Vote) by the European Council, ie the elected Governments of the member states. I thought a Commissioner was broadly the EU equivalent of a civil service Permanent Secretary. However, you seem to know more about this than me, and are pretty clear that it (the Commission) is not the equivalent of the Civil Service. Quite possible I have been wrong all these years - often the case. But perhaps you could let us know what the role of the Commission is? My point is that Mandelson was appointed to a very important position, but was not even elected to anything. It is ( deliberately) complicated BUT in my opinion ( and at one time Merkel and Sarkosy)...the power of the EU lies in the unminuted Eurogroup. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/eurogroup/how-the-eurogroup-works/Oh dear BigJohn you've had another shocker here on understanding how EU works. The Eurogroup is an Informal group of the Finance Ministers of the 14 Countries that use the Euro € as a Common Currency It literally says this from the first line of your link The Eurogroup is an informal body created in 1997 in which the ministers from the euro area member states discuss matters relating to their countries' common responsibilities related to the euro.
Mandelson was appointed to be UKs Commissioner on the European Commission and he took the Trade Portfolio
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 13:46:50 GMT
My point is that Mandelson was appointed to a very important position, but was not even elected to anything. It is ( deliberately) complicated BUT in my opinion ( and at one time Merkel and Sarkosy)...the power of the EU lies in the unminuted Eurogroup. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/eurogroup/how-the-eurogroup-works/Oh dear BigJohn you've had another shocker here on understanding how EU works. The Eurogroup is an Informal group of the Finance Ministers of the 14 Countries that use the Euro € as a Common Currency It literally says this from the first line of your link The Eurogroup is an informal body created in 1997 in which the ministers from the euro area member states discuss matters relating to their countries' common responsibilities related to the euro.
Mandelson was appointed to be UKs Commissioner on the European Commission and he took the Trade Portfolio I know what it is/ but don't believe everything you read. The Eurogroup is the power behind the throne. I'll leave it to you, in your worship of the EU
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 13:48:10 GMT
Never thought I'd say this, but can you lot get back to discussing Nigel Farage. Maybe we should discuss whether a "Go Fund Me" should be set up so Nige can get his Privileged Coutts Bank Account back
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 13:58:18 GMT
Oh dear BigJohn you've had another shocker here on understanding how EU works. The Eurogroup is an Informal group of the Finance Ministers of the 14 Countries that use the Euro € as a Common Currency It literally says this from the first line of your link The Eurogroup is an informal body created in 1997 in which the ministers from the euro area member states discuss matters relating to their countries' common responsibilities related to the euro.
Mandelson was appointed to be UKs Commissioner on the European Commission and he took the Trade Portfolio I know what it is/ but don't believe everything you read. The Eurogroup is the power behind the throne. I'll leave it to you, in your worship of the EU Your just delving into conspiracy theories now with no evidence other than the voices in your head Are the 7 EU Countries that don't use the Euro excluded from this Cabal? I don't worship the EU but I review it from a crital viewpoint and understanding of how it works not some imagined idea of how it works
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 14:06:54 GMT
I know what it is/ but don't believe everything you read. The Eurogroup is the power behind the throne. I'll leave it to you, in your worship of the EU Your just delving into conspiracy theories now with no evidence other than the voices in your head Are the 7 EU Countries that don't use the Euro excluded from this Cabal? I don't worship the EU but I review it from a crital viewpoint and understanding of how it works not some imagined idea of how it works Yes, they are excluded ,until they join. Economic and political union. Not at all
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 16:41:42 GMT
Your just delving into conspiracy theories now with no evidence other than the voices in your head Are the 7 EU Countries that don't use the Euro excluded from this Cabal? I don't worship the EU but I review it from a crital viewpoint and understanding of how it works not some imagined idea of how it works Yes, they are excluded ,until they join. Economic and political union. Not at all What's your view on Akrotiri and Dhekelia British Overseas Territories using the Euro?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2023 16:44:05 GMT
Yes, they are excluded ,until they join. Economic and political union. Not at all What's your view on Akrotiri and Dhekelia British Overseas Territories using the Euro? I haven't got one, thank goodness
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 6, 2023 16:45:20 GMT
Never thought I'd say this, but can you lot get back to discussing Nigel Farage. Hear hear😀
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 6, 2023 16:46:19 GMT
Never thought I'd say this, but can you lot get back to discussing Nigel Farage. Maybe we should discuss whether a "Go Fund Me" should be set up so Nige can get his Privileged Coutts Bank Account back Hopefully he’ll cut loose on Talking Pints tonight live from the GB News pub. You don’t wanna miss it
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 6, 2023 17:02:38 GMT
Maybe we should discuss whether a "Go Fund Me" should be set up so Nige can get his Privileged Coutts Bank Account back Hopefully he’ll cut loose on Talking Pints tonight live from the GB News pub. You don’t wanna miss it By "cut loose" you mean soil himself again?..
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 17:36:07 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2023 18:06:43 GMT
EPIC 🤣
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 6, 2023 18:18:56 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 6, 2023 20:05:55 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jul 6, 2023 20:25:19 GMT
I've avoided this thread and forum all afternoon and I've not even read anything since my last post yet.
So firstly let me say sorry to @bigjohnrichie for my post earlier as I feel it was quite aggressive in nature.
I get triggered when people use labels towards my generation because I've had similar debates with family members who try to say the same.
So I know I was a bit of a dick myself when I did similar and just threw out some baseless accusations. Well not quite baseless as I do think on the whole employment is much higher nowadays and much more women work much more hours compared to generations gone by. But calling people lazy dossers isn't nice and not something I believe either. I just wanted to use that language more to try and trigger the same in someone else by making accusations about their generation.
Like I said previously I don't really care about being in eu or out of EU. And living in Northern Ireland I'm not overly bothered about being in uk or United ireland either. My decision is solely based on what's economically better for me and my family and communities futures. I can understand however why for some sovereignty and patriotism is valued higher especially I'd you or close family have served for the state in some form.
Personally though I think our generation right now have been well and truly fucked over and honestly being born in the 30s or 40s on reflection I don't think would be too bad. I actually think if you asked every member of this forum if they'd rather be born in 1940 or 2000. I think more would say 1940 than 2000.
I think now if I had no dependants and no intentions of having any more kids, a mortgage near paid off, in or nearing retirement, a fairly comfortable pension. I actually think I wouldn't be that annoyed about the current scenario. Your biggest expenses are all paid off for life, you don't really need to worry about job security or pay. You're settled.
When you still need to buy a home, raise a family, save for retirement, care for elderly relatives and the pressure is on you as a bread winner and you don't have valuable assets or anything to fall back on. And when house prices are astronomically high with high interest rates too in relation to the cost of the homes. Your energy bills are through the roof. The NHS has went to shit. Your food bill is 50% higher. Cancer rates increasing. Extremist terrorist attacks and stabbings on the rise. Childcare costs at mad prices, no cheap reliable social housing but instead expensive private rent roulette, food Bank usage at record levels. When all that is going on its very difficult to sit back and look at someone in the 0.01% who is doing really well and come to the conclusion that I'm just not taking my opportunities.
If it was just a case of everyone not taking opportunities and we all owning 10 houses at 30 if we did then who would we be renting them to? The system is built so that only a minority get such opportunities.
The saddest thing about it all though is growing up listening to my grand parents talk about rations, or my grandad working 2 jobs to provide etc.. and talking about such things in the past tense to show how much better things have got.
For my generation we talk about the past tense as "remember when we were younger and we could regularly eat out and go on holidays with our parents? Now we're lucky if we manage to get meat from the foodbank.".
Basically everything is shit. Like everything. Nothing has got better these last 13 years. And I'm tired of it.
I hope I've explained myself better in this post. And I hope you can recognise thar while I did lash out in anger before, that it wasn't personal but I'm sorry for that.
What I said comes from the heart and with passion though. I respect your views. And I don't blame brexit for these issues either because none of this is new. Things were getting worse before brexit too. But yeh people like me are pissed off and I'm personally very anxious about the long term future of the uk. We're in a very bad position in my opinion and left right or centre, I'm not sure how anyone fixes this anytime soon.
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