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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 25, 2019 19:05:11 GMT
He's turned it down, apparently?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 19:06:22 GMT
Ahhh Steve, you poor Lamb. Confidence in Boris but not the process it seems.
I think he just wants to go to Brussels and shout at people and the Glorious Leader wont let him.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 25, 2019 19:11:09 GMT
Ahhh Steve, you poor Lamb. Confidence in Boris but not the process it seems. I think he just wants to go to Brussels and shout at people and the Glorious Leader wont let him. You've criticised "the process" for ages! đ
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2019 19:13:28 GMT
Genuinely, have you the evidence. Im not doubting you, but it's easy to accuse. Id like to know. realmedia.press/brexit-deals-bribes-steve-baker/I know it's not the kind of thing you're likely to read in the Express, Guido Fawkes or Brexit Central, bu there you go. I don't read the Express Dave. I am totally against our arms trade...but it doesn't seem that Barker has been convicted of anything does it? As I say he is also a born again Christian do that opens a can of worms for some.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 25, 2019 19:15:31 GMT
What a stupid post not everyone on benefits wants to be in that position take away the benefits then get ready for a massive increase in shoplifting. We need a common sense approach to welfare some jobs need to nationalised such as those jobs that you can do quite easily, eg collecting trolleys at supermarkets, call centres I would have thought would be ideal for the shirkers. And I am sure there are many more. The problems we have today is when thatcher shut all the pits and steel works she didn't want these people to go on the dole so they were shunted onto sickness benefit we know have a generation who think the state ows them a living. I am as pissed off as any tory on the lazy fuckers and I'm Labour. But this society was created by thatcher and we are all paying the price I totally agree about sickness benefits, they need reforming but as soon as any one mentions doing so the do gooders are all up in arms, there are far too many claiming benefits that are historical these need looking at in depth, if they are assessed as fit to work find a role that suits there abilities and train them it is not rocket science. I have worked with many on disability benefits who simply refuse to take on employment hiding behind their "disability", as a nation we need to focus on ability, a bigger issue is the tax credits system why should immigrant workers be entitled to tax credits, the they pay tax etc. argument does not take into account the amount of tax credits they claim it equals out they actually pay very little into the system, I know of Polish workers claiming child benefit for their children who don't fucking live here is that right ?
I work with people who are part time 16 hours a week . They have been offered more hours i.e. Full time but refuse them as they will lose their benefits . Makes me fing puke . Another woman I work with blagged a motobility car on false pretences that she commutes to work in .it pisses me off when people just work the system . Don't get me started on disabled badges for the bastards as wellđ€đ€
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 19:26:13 GMT
I totally agree about sickness benefits, they need reforming but as soon as any one mentions doing so the do gooders are all up in arms, there are far too many claiming benefits that are historical these need looking at in depth, if they are assessed as fit to work find a role that suits there abilities and train them it is not rocket science. I have worked with many on disability benefits who simply refuse to take on employment hiding behind their "disability", as a nation we need to focus on ability, a bigger issue is the tax credits system why should immigrant workers be entitled to tax credits, the they pay tax etc. argument does not take into account the amount of tax credits they claim it equals out they actually pay very little into the system, I know of Polish workers claiming child benefit for their children who don't fucking live here is that right ?
I work with people who are part time 16 hours a week . They have been offered more hours i.e. Full time but refuse them as they will lose their benefits . Makes me fing puke . Another woman I work with blagged a motobility car on false pretences that she commutes to work in .it pisses me off when people just work the system . Don't get me started on disabled badges for the bastards as wellđ€đ€ You're more likely to be sent back to work with terminal cancer than be gilding the lily with the idiots who conduct the work capability assessments under austerity. At the same time I've seen single Mother's turn down pay rises because of benefit impact. Surely the sytem is at fault there?
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 25, 2019 19:31:58 GMT
I work with people who are part time 16 hours a week . They have been offered more hours i.e. Full time but refuse them as they will lose their benefits . Makes me fing puke . Another woman I work with blagged a motobility car on false pretences that she commutes to work in .it pisses me off when people just work the system . Don't get me started on disabled badges for the bastards as wellđ€đ€ You're more likely to be sent back to work with terminal cancer than be gilding the lily with the idiots who conduct the work capability assessments under austerity. At the same time I've seen single Mother's turn down pay rises because of benefit impact. Surely the sytem is at fault there? That's part of the problem , I work and live in a area where jobs are plentiful. Why are people given benefits when full time work is easy to find . I'm all for supporting the sick and disabled people .
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2019 19:32:36 GMT
I work with people who are part time 16 hours a week . They have been offered more hours i.e. Full time but refuse them as they will lose their benefits . Makes me fing puke . Another woman I work with blagged a motobility car on false pretences that she commutes to work in .it pisses me off when people just work the system . Don't get me started on disabled badges for the bastards as wellđ€đ€ You're more likely to be sent back to work with terminal cancer than be gilding the lily with the idiots who conduct the work capability assessments under austerity. At the same time I've seen single Mother's turn down pay rises because of benefit impact. Surely the sytem is at fault there? I genuinely believe that you want the best for the country Sheikh and particularly the underdog in this unfair world. For me I think that a problem is that many people do see the welfare state as easy money and a lifestyle choice. I've also got friends who have had " bad backs" for their whole working life and have revelled in " screwing the social "....much of this infuriates those at the bottom of the heap who work hard and play by the rules.....and that doesn't mean that the gap between rich and poor can be justified, nor does it mean that those in genuine need should not be helped.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 19:33:46 GMT
You're more likely to be sent back to work with terminal cancer than be gilding the lily with the idiots who conduct the work capability assessments under austerity. At the same time I've seen single Mother's turn down pay rises because of benefit impact. Surely the sytem is at fault there? That's part of the problem , I work and live in a area where jobs are plentiful. Why are people given benefits when full time work is easy to find . I'm all for supporting the sick and disabled people . Do the jobs pay enough for rent, childcare, transport etc. I doubt it if you're on your own.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2019 19:43:51 GMT
That's part of the problem , I work and live in a area where jobs are plentiful. Why are people given benefits when full time work is easy to find . I'm all for supporting the sick and disabled people . Do the jobs pay enough for rent, childcare, transport etc. I doubt it if you're on your own. I think that is true. They don't. People often talk about bankers and taxing the rich. For me ( as my father in law used to say) we have false values. For example the compulsorily conscription funded BBC is able to pay people like Lineker and others exhorbitant salaries.... they are just not worth it compared to the jobs that carers or surgeons do for example. False values. Cleaners are undervalued.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 25, 2019 19:49:08 GMT
I totally agree about sickness benefits, they need reforming but as soon as any one mentions doing so the do gooders are all up in arms, there are far too many claiming benefits that are historical these need looking at in depth, if they are assessed as fit to work find a role that suits there abilities and train them it is not rocket science. I have worked with many on disability benefits who simply refuse to take on employment hiding behind their "disability", as a nation we need to focus on ability, a bigger issue is the tax credits system why should immigrant workers be entitled to tax credits, the they pay tax etc. argument does not take into account the amount of tax credits they claim it equals out they actually pay very little into the system, I know of Polish workers claiming child benefit for their children who don't fucking live here is that right ?
I work with people who are part time 16 hours a week . They have been offered more hours i.e. Full time but refuse them as they will lose their benefits . Makes me fing puke . Another woman I work with blagged a motobility car on false pretences that she commutes to work in .it pisses me off when people just work the system . Don't get me started on disabled badges for the bastards as wellđ€đ€ My dad, whose worked all his life like my mum, has just got a blue badge. He's had bowel cancer 3 times, heart attacks, 2 strokes and God knows what else. My mum is virtually immobile because of her hips. Neither have ever smoked or drunk very little and led a healthy lifestyle. What really pisses me off is that everytime I take them out to the supermarket or Trentham Gardens..some bastard is parked in a disabled space without a badge. Whenever I challenge them (and I do) they just say "I'm waiting for someone" to which I usually reply "Well fucking wait somewhere else" (both my parents are virtually deaf )
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 25, 2019 19:52:20 GMT
That's part of the problem , I work and live in a area where jobs are plentiful. Why are people given benefits when full time work is easy to find . I'm all for supporting the sick and disabled people . Do the jobs pay enough for rent, childcare, transport etc. I doubt it if you're on your own. One of the women concerned owns her own house and has a new car on tick
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 25, 2019 19:57:59 GMT
I work with people who are part time 16 hours a week . They have been offered more hours i.e. Full time but refuse them as they will lose their benefits . Makes me fing puke . Another woman I work with blagged a motobility car on false pretences that she commutes to work in .it pisses me off when people just work the system . Don't get me started on disabled badges for the bastards as wellđ€đ€ My dad, whose worked all his life like my mum, has just got a blue badge. He's had bowel cancer 3 times, heart attacks, 2 strokes and God knows what else. My mum is virtually immobile because of her hips. Neither have ever smoked or drunk very little and led a healthy lifestyle. What really pisses me off is that everytime I take them out to the supermarket or Trentham Gardens..some bastard is parked in a disabled space without a badge. Whenever I challenge them (and I do) they just say "I'm waiting for someone" to which I usually reply "Well fucking wait somewhere else" (both my parents are virtually deaf ) I see so many able bodied people using blue badges just to blag free parking in town when everyone else has to pay ÂŁ2.50 minimum. Even after my knee replacement I didn't consider applying for one and I needed to fully open my car door . Now I see young lads using the disabled and mother and toddler bays so they don't get their beemer doors dinked
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jul 25, 2019 19:58:49 GMT
Do the jobs pay enough for rent, childcare, transport etc. I doubt it if you're on your own. I think that is true. They don't. People often talk about bankers and taxing the rich. For me ( as my father in law used to say) we have false values. For example the compulsorily conscription funded BBC is able to pay people like Lineker and others exhorbitant salaries.... they are just not worth it compared to the jobs that carers or surgeons do for example. False values. Cleaners are undervalued. I employ a cleaner once a fortnight. I pay her above the living wage and also the bus fare to and from my house. She does a very good job. She deserves a pay that reflects this.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 20:00:51 GMT
You're more likely to be sent back to work with terminal cancer than be gilding the lily with the idiots who conduct the work capability assessments under austerity. At the same time I've seen single Mother's turn down pay rises because of benefit impact. Surely the sytem is at fault there? I genuinely believe that you want the best for the country Sheikh and particularly the underdog in this unfair world. For me I think that a problem is that many people do see the welfare state as easy money and a lifestyle choice. I've also got friends who have had " bad backs" for their whole working life and have revelled in " screwing the social "....much of this infuriates those at the bottom of the heap who work hard and play by the rules.....and that doesn't mean that the gap between rich and poor can be justified, nor does it mean that those in genuine need should not be helped. The total lost to Benefit Fraud annually is 1.4% of the total fellas. That's a couple of Billion quid mind but it's not as widespread as people would have you believe. It's all part of the demonization process of the past ten years.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 25, 2019 20:03:40 GMT
My dad, whose worked all his life like my mum, has just got a blue badge. He's had bowel cancer 3 times, heart attacks, 2 strokes and God knows what else. My mum is virtually immobile because of her hips. Neither have ever smoked or drunk very little and led a healthy lifestyle. What really pisses me off is that everytime I take them out to the supermarket or Trentham Gardens..some bastard is parked in a disabled space without a badge. Whenever I challenge them (and I do) they just say "I'm waiting for someone" to which I usually reply "Well fucking wait somewhere else" (both my parents are virtually deaf ) I see so many able bodied people using blue badges just to blag free parking in town when everyone else has to pay ÂŁ2.50 minimum. Even after my knee replacement I didn't consider applying for one and I needed to fully open my car door . Now I see young lads using the disabled and mother and toddler bays so they don't get their beemer doors dinked Fair enough Harry. It was the nurse that comes out to my parents who told them to apply for one..they can't walk to the bottom of the garden anymore.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 20:05:57 GMT
There's a programme called Broke on BBC2 now explaining the scandal and volume of in work poverty. It opened up by saying more people are in employment than ever before, over a third of them have less than ÂŁ500 in savings
The whole country is in quite a mess really.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 25, 2019 20:12:01 GMT
I see so many able bodied people using blue badges just to blag free parking in town when everyone else has to pay ÂŁ2.50 minimum. Even after my knee replacement I didn't consider applying for one and I needed to fully open my car door . Now I see young lads using the disabled and mother and toddler bays so they don't get their beemer doors dinked Fair enough Harry. It was the nurse that comes out to my parents who told them to apply for one..they can't walk to the bottom of the garden anymore. As it should be mate this is what they're for ,,,,,,,,,,,Just another thing that people are allowed to abuse though
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 25, 2019 20:13:22 GMT
My dad, whose worked all his life like my mum, has just got a blue badge. He's had bowel cancer 3 times, heart attacks, 2 strokes and God knows what else. My mum is virtually immobile because of her hips. Neither have ever smoked or drunk very little and led a healthy lifestyle. What really pisses me off is that everytime I take them out to the supermarket or Trentham Gardens..some bastard is parked in a disabled space without a badge. Whenever I challenge them (and I do) they just say "I'm waiting for someone" to which I usually reply "Well fucking wait somewhere else" (both my parents are virtually deaf ) I see so many able bodied people using blue badges just to blag free parking in town when everyone else has to pay ÂŁ2.50 minimum. Even after my knee replacement I didn't consider applying for one and I needed to fully open my car door . Now I see young lads using the disabled and mother and toddler bays so they don't get their beemer doors dinked My friend had a blue badge, she also had an allowance for a car (she paid a bit extra a month and had a beemer). She used to get loads of stares when she parked up in a space and got out fine and could walk normally. Those were her good days. She had cystic fibrosis and died at 30. Good for you for not applying.
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Post by Davef on Jul 25, 2019 20:16:42 GMT
Anyway, the new Prime Minister...
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 25, 2019 20:31:45 GMT
Anyway, the new Prime Minister... âDavid Davis blacking-upâ Itâs so bad Iâm a bit delirious
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 25, 2019 21:13:16 GMT
I genuinely believe that you want the best for the country Sheikh and particularly the underdog in this unfair world. For me I think that a problem is that many people do see the welfare state as easy money and a lifestyle choice. I've also got friends who have had " bad backs" for their whole working life and have revelled in " screwing the social "....much of this infuriates those at the bottom of the heap who work hard and play by the rules.....and that doesn't mean that the gap between rich and poor can be justified, nor does it mean that those in genuine need should not be helped. The total lost to Benefit Fraud annually is 1.4% of the total fellas. That's a couple of Billion quid mind but it's not as widespread as people would have you believe. It's all part of the demonization process of the past ten years. Finally watched The Big Short the other night, and the ending echoed your last sentence.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 25, 2019 21:15:51 GMT
I'd imagine partly because he didn't want to be seen to be on the same wavelength as people like Farage, partly because the party are mostly remain. He pretty much stayed out of it, which is probably fair, it just backfired a bit. Pretty much destroyed the man of principal myth, he's no different than the vast majority of career politicians he's a liar and a fcuking charlatan a puppet dancing to the Marxist puppeteer's tune, a tracksuit full of fuck all flip flopping around like a fish out of water to save his own wretched skin.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jul 25, 2019 21:32:23 GMT
Anyway, the new Prime Minister...
Watch this stunning verbal assault on magic grandpa... McDonnell also got a pasting, nice to see his arse kicked đ
That was brutal...even my Labour pals admitted gramps got owned by a so-called buffoon.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 21:45:15 GMT
Mark Paté Francois now saying that the ERG will not vote for any deal new or otherwise or backstopless at all on Newsnight.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 21:47:38 GMT
Anyway, the new Prime Minister... Watch this stunning verbal assault on magic grandpa... McDonnell also got a pasting, nice to see his arse kicked đ That was brutal...even my Labour pals admitted gramps got owned by a so-called buffoon. It was substanceless bollocks. No real policy nothing just lies, misdirection and arm waving These are the questions from Corbyns, forensic attack the fat fucking oaf simply ignored
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Post by foster on Jul 25, 2019 21:49:32 GMT
Mark Paté Francois now saying that the ERG will not vote for any deal new or otherwise or backstopless at all on Newsnight. What does that mean?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 25, 2019 21:54:30 GMT
Anyway, the new Prime Minister... Watch this stunning verbal assault on magic grandpa... McDonnell also got a pasting, nice to see his arse kicked đ That was brutal...even my Labour pals admitted gramps got owned by a so-called buffoon. Really, you thought that was good? That's our prime minister acting like an over excited toddler struggling to say everything at once because he's got a million things to tell you. Look at how he turns to his benches to get support for his "joke", before delivering a rather poor jibe. Maybe he'll improve as he gets a bit more practice but he needs to calm it down a bit.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 25, 2019 21:55:25 GMT
Mark Paté Francois now saying that the ERG will not vote for any deal new or otherwise or backstopless at all on Newsnight. I think it's called a negotiating stance, something sadly lacking for the last 3 years.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 21:56:04 GMT
Mark Paté Francois now saying that the ERG will not vote for any deal new or otherwise or backstopless at all on Newsnight. What does that mean? The plan is clear isn't it
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