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Post by kelw on May 23, 2019 8:31:19 GMT
We don't need the money. He stays here. Exactly. Better for him, better for us. If he goes to United for £7 mill, this is an appalling indictment of the Stoke management, already a laughing stock. A laughing stock to who exactly?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2019 8:33:26 GMT
We don't need the money. He stays here. Precisely. If our best hope from the academy leaves before playing 90 mins for the 1st team it really is a sad indictment of our academy structure. It really isn't. 1) It's evidence the academy is actually starting to bear fruit 2) It's football. This happens to most clubs outside the elite at one time or another. There are numerous examples of young players being spotted in youth sides and snapped up, from Raheem Sterling onwards. 3) We don't really have the power in the real world to just say 'he stays here'. The lad will want to go, you can't hold people hostage. It's a shame we won't see him develop for us but we just need to make sure we get the best deal we can for him.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 23, 2019 9:12:26 GMT
We don't need the money. He stays here. Precisely. If our best hope from the academy leaves before playing 90 mins for the 1st team it really is a sad indictment of our academy structure. Why? This is an opening bid, we have no idea what add ons there may be and we haven't accepted it. To me it is an endorsement of our academy. I would rather not lose him but if I was a parent of a 15/16 year old trying to choose between Stoke and other clubs this would only make me lean towards Stoke. He may be talented but our coaching has got him to where he is.
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Post by dreamtheater on May 23, 2019 9:36:56 GMT
Id be very disappointed if we started selling players on direct from the acadamy before regular Stoke Fans have had a proper chance to see them
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Post by nottsover60 on May 23, 2019 9:41:24 GMT
Id be very disappointed if we started selling players on direct from the acadamy before regular Stoke Fans have had a proper chance to see them As would most people but having said that we are a business which needs money more than Utd and the like. We have to balance what we are offered against the risk of him 1. not progressing further or 2. him picking up a serious injury. I am sure the club and Jones would prefer to keep him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2019 9:41:39 GMT
Id be very disappointed if we started selling players on direct from the acadamy before regular Stoke Fans have had a proper chance to see them That’s football Tone.
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Post by dreamtheater on May 23, 2019 9:46:06 GMT
Berahino does well for Burundi - as does Imbulla for 'who the fuck he gets to play for' in the AFCON and we sell both for £20 mill each -
then, we give this lad a 5 year contact on top wages
then we tell United to fuck off-
thats what Im hoping for
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Post by nonameface on May 23, 2019 10:03:08 GMT
Berahino does well for Burundi - as does Imbulla for 'who the fuck he gets to play for' in the AFCON and we sell both for £20 mill each - then, we give this lad a 5 year contact on top wages then we tell United to fuck off- thats what Im hoping for It would be good to keep him but as long as we move forward and ideally get promoted do you really care?
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Post by liathroid on May 23, 2019 10:04:57 GMT
Id be very disappointed if we started selling players on direct from the acadamy before regular Stoke Fans have had a proper chance to see them That’s football Tone. correct, but where does that leave us .selling our best young lads and bringing in players who cost as much and are paid more
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Post by dreamtheater on May 23, 2019 10:05:51 GMT
I will always 'care' what a daft question
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Post by liathroid on May 23, 2019 10:19:08 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 23, 2019 10:29:01 GMT
Palace showing the way posted a £70m price tag on their full Back as they know how desperate united are we should pick the daftest number we can think of and say come and get him as the works most expensive centre half under the age of 19 . Could sort out FFP out for a while
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Post by mattythestokie on May 23, 2019 10:48:14 GMT
Berahino does well for Burundi - as does Imbulla for 'who the fuck he gets to play for' in the AFCON and we sell both for £20 mill each - then, we give this lad a 5 year contact on top wages then we tell United to fuck off- thats what Im hoping for It’s not as simple as that. If United want him, which they seemingly do, then he won’t want to play for us. If a player doesn’t want to play for you, there’s not much else you can do but sell him and try get the best deal possible. It’s unfortunate but we’re not in a position to compete with Manchester United funnily enough.
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Post by spitthedog on May 23, 2019 10:52:20 GMT
Berahino does well for Burundi - as does Imbulla for 'who the fuck he gets to play for' in the AFCON and we sell both for £20 mill each - then, we give this lad a 5 year contact on top wages then we tell United to fuck off- thats what Im hoping for It’s not as simple as that. If United want him, which they seemingly do, then he won’t want to play for us. If a player doesn’t want to play for you, there’s not much else you can do but sell him and try get the best deal possible. It’s unfortunate but we’re not in a position to compete with Manchester United funnily enough. Crikey, you'll not get very far on this forum with logic like that!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2019 11:06:33 GMT
correct, but where does that leave us .selling our best young lads and bringing in players who cost as much and are paid more The first part yes - hardly anyone is immune to that. The second part, hopefully we’ll learn to shop smarter, like Norwich did.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2019 11:08:26 GMT
Palace showing the way posted a £70m price tag on their full Back as they know how desperate united are we should pick the daftest number we can think of and say come and get him as the works most expensive centre half under the age of 19 . Could sort out FFP out for a while Their full back has had 40-odd games in the Premier League, that’s the difference.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 23, 2019 11:11:22 GMT
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Post by westgatelakes on May 23, 2019 12:49:41 GMT
Take a step back folks, take off your red n white tinted glasses and put yourself in Collin`s position for a minute or two ..........erm Stoke City - a championship club that has just finished 16th after being relegated from the premier league the year previous OR Manchester United - a premiership club, won the most league titles, the biggest club in the country & arguably the world & a 4 or 5 year contract on offer - it`s a no brainer isn`t it ?
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Post by ohbottom on May 23, 2019 12:51:31 GMT
Out of interest, how often does a teenager from a tier 2 side, who's made less than a handful of appearances in the Championship, attract a fee of £7m?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2019 12:57:44 GMT
Take a step back folks, take off your red n white tinted glasses and put yourself in Collin`s position for a minute or two ..........erm Stoke City - a championship club that has just finished 16th after being relegated from the premier league the year previous OR Manchester United - a premiership club, won the most league titles, the biggest club in the country & arguably the world & a 4 or 5 year contract on offer - it`s a no brainer isn`t it ? I don't think it is. But it entirely depends on game time. If I was going to play a season at Stoke then I'd take that over the move now tbh. You do well as you're expected to and you get a better move than to Man Yoo. If Man Yoo are offering game time then agreed, it's a no brainer.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 23, 2019 13:00:21 GMT
But are we offering game time Bayern? No one really knows, but would you expect Baath and Collins to be our starting centre backs next season?
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Post by jezzascfc on May 23, 2019 13:04:33 GMT
Take a step back folks, take off your red n white tinted glasses and put yourself in Collin`s position for a minute or two ..........erm Stoke City - a championship club that has just finished 16th after being relegated from the premier league the year previous OR Manchester United - a premiership club, won the most league titles, the biggest club in the country & arguably the world & a 4 or 5 year contract on offer - it`s a no brainer isn`t it ? I don't think it is. But it entirely depends on game time. If I was going to play a season at Stoke then I'd take that over the move now tbh. You do well as you're expected to and you get a better move than to Man Yoo. If Man Yoo are offering game time then agreed, it's a no brainer. No way would Man Ure start him right now. I am not sure it is in our plans to start him every week, but certainly to have him as part of the first team squad. He'd be more likely to get some game time with us, but his head might be turned by their interest.
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Post by dreamtheater on May 23, 2019 13:08:22 GMT
My earlier hopes were a little tongue in cheek however, those saying this is a done deal may be well off the mark. This as bayern suggested, could well be down to a committment to first team 'game time' and of course, quickly offering a longer term improved playing contract. (this is how this should go, if only to immediately bump up any transfer fee / sell on)and so, IF United are still sniffing around and, have scouted him, I would contend, tying him to a better long term contract, might be the best 'next step in the dance'
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2019 13:13:16 GMT
I don't think it is. But it entirely depends on game time. If I was going to play a season at Stoke then I'd take that over the move now tbh. You do well as you're expected to and you get a better move than to Man Yoo. If Man Yoo are offering game time then agreed, it's a no brainer. No way would Man Ure start him right now. I am not sure it is in our plans to start him every week, but certainly to have him as part of the first team squad. He'd be more likely to get some game time with us, but his head might be turned by their interest. I honestly think we were set to loan him out. If we were and I was him that would bother me.
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Post by kelw on May 23, 2019 13:32:42 GMT
Take a step back folks, take off your red n white tinted glasses and put yourself in Collin`s position for a minute or two ..........erm Stoke City - a championship club that has just finished 16th after being relegated from the premier league the year previous OR Manchester United - a premiership club, won the most league titles, the biggest club in the country & arguably the world & a 4 or 5 year contract on offer - it`s a no brainer isn`t it ? I don't think it is. But it entirely depends on game time. If I was going to play a season at Stoke then I'd take that over the move now tbh. You do well as you're expected to and you get a better move than to Man Yoo. If Man Yoo are offering game time then agreed, it's a no brainer. I think game time has nothing or little to do with it.He's an 18 year old lad with the chance to join Man Utd,not Brighton or Wolves but Man Utd. I'm sure he'll have belief in his own ability and will have a crack at breaking onto their first team at some point and if not what does he have to lose?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2019 13:42:36 GMT
I don't think it is. But it entirely depends on game time. If I was going to play a season at Stoke then I'd take that over the move now tbh. You do well as you're expected to and you get a better move than to Man Yoo. If Man Yoo are offering game time then agreed, it's a no brainer. I think game time has nothing or little to do with it.He's an 18 year old lad with the chance to join Man Utd,not Brighton or Wolves but Man Utd. I'm sure he'll have belief in his own ability and will have a crack at breaking onto their first team at some point and if not what does he have to lose? Exactly this. It might be a once in a lifetime opportunity as far as he knows. He isn’t going to turn it down for a season of first team Championship football.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2019 13:51:40 GMT
I don't think it is. But it entirely depends on game time. If I was going to play a season at Stoke then I'd take that over the move now tbh. You do well as you're expected to and you get a better move than to Man Yoo. If Man Yoo are offering game time then agreed, it's a no brainer. I think game time has nothing or little to do with it.He's an 18 year old lad with the chance to join Man Utd,not Brighton or Wolves but Man Utd. I'm sure he'll have belief in his own ability and will have a crack at breaking onto their first team at some point and if not what does he have to lose? I don't think that fits what is actually going in with youth players and what they're chasing now. Players are moving to lesser clubs for football. In order to play and develop. If he's got a brain, the draw of 30+ games would/should be massive. That move will always be around the corner with how good he is.
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Post by kelw on May 23, 2019 13:55:21 GMT
I think game time has nothing or little to do with it.He's an 18 year old lad with the chance to join Man Utd,not Brighton or Wolves but Man Utd. I'm sure he'll have belief in his own ability and will have a crack at breaking onto their first team at some point and if not what does he have to lose? I don't think that fits what is actually going in with youth players and what they're chasing now. Players are moving to lesser clubs for football. In order to play and develop. If he's got a brain, the draw of 30+ games would/should be massive. That move will always be around the corner with how good he is. If he's got a brain he'll go to the biggest club in the world and always the chance to be loaned out as he develops. The move WON'T always be round the corner and may never happen again.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2019 13:55:26 GMT
I think game time has nothing or little to do with it.He's an 18 year old lad with the chance to join Man Utd,not Brighton or Wolves but Man Utd. I'm sure he'll have belief in his own ability and will have a crack at breaking onto their first team at some point and if not what does he have to lose? I don't think that fits what is actually going in with youth players and what they're chasing now. Players are moving to lesser clubs for football. In order to play and develop. If he's got a brain, the draw of 30+ games would/should be massive. That move will always be around the corner with how good he is. They’re still chasing top level football though aren’t they? This isn’t a Jadon Sancho situation, which Championship youngsters are turning down top six clubs to stay where they are?
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Post by MilanStokie on May 23, 2019 13:55:37 GMT
Significant levels of delusion on display here.
If anyone thinks the sole purpose of our Academy is to produce players that will go on to play in the Stoke first team only, need to have another think about it.
It is a business, there to generate money. If a bid doesn't come in for a player, then he plays for the first team. If a bid does come in and its suitable for all parties then more than likely it is going to happen.
£10m (if it gets there) + add ons, is to me, a decent deal for a youth player with a couple of professional games under his belt, who we cannot guarantee regular first team football to next season.
Who else can we think of at this age, with this much first team experience, at this level, that has gone for similar or more???
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