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Post by thevoid on May 2, 2019 21:47:40 GMT
I'm glad the OP included 'hypothetical' in the title, just for clarity.
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Post by Gods on May 2, 2019 23:39:10 GMT
I'm glad the OP included 'hypothetical' in the title, just for clarity. Yes, I didn't want to inadvertently create any false hope on here !
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Post by skip on May 3, 2019 0:06:15 GMT
Messi seen down Clayton Woods...
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Post by JoeinOz on May 3, 2019 3:21:53 GMT
Messi bought a house in Trentham
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Post by hyaduck on May 3, 2019 3:55:20 GMT
Messi bought a house in Trentham You’re getting mixed up with Bojan, he reckons it’s easier to travel in from castle, I’d say it’s about the same meself depending on where in trentham or castle you live.
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Post by greyman on May 3, 2019 5:20:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 6:57:01 GMT
We would win the league and he would probably score about 60 goals.
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Post by elystokie on May 3, 2019 8:37:06 GMT
He looks like one of the great unwashed with that shitty beard. If McClean were to dye his beard and hair they would look like the twin brothers, Jamie and Leo. Our opponents wouldn't know which one they should kick first, and if they pick the wrong one, they might (not) live to regret it. Good idea in theory, unfortunately as soon as either one of them kicked a ball it would be blindingly obvious who was who
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Post by wearepremierleague on May 3, 2019 8:51:29 GMT
If we managed to sign a couple of centre halves who don't just twat it over his head, i'd say he's guarantee us 1st place.
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Post by pretzel on May 3, 2019 9:14:03 GMT
You just know that we'd get a penalty in his first game and he'd miss it
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 3, 2019 9:46:11 GMT
What would be the point in signing a player who couldn't cut it on a wet and windy Tues. night at the Bet 365.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 12:22:00 GMT
If McClean were to dye his beard and hair they would look like the twin brothers, Jamie and Leo. Our opponents wouldn't know which one they should kick first, and if they pick the wrong one, they might (not) live to regret it. Good idea in theory, unfortunately as soon as either one of them kicked a ball it would be blindingly obvious who was who Au contraire. As soon as McClean is reunited with his better half, we will all be able to see the amazing skills which only Jones hitherto has been able to see...
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Post by elystokie on May 3, 2019 12:37:40 GMT
Good idea in theory, unfortunately as soon as either one of them kicked a ball it would be blindingly obvious who was who Au contraire. As soon as McClean is reunited with his better half, we will all be able to see the amazing skills which only Jones hitherto has been able to see... The Emperors New Clothes approach eh, can't see what can possibly go wrong..
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 4, 2019 16:29:24 GMT
Messi is a good (ok great) player in a good top side. With lesser quality players around him he's less impressive. See his performances for Argentina which have often been less than stellar. I wouldn't see him msking a mid tsble side automatic promotion candidates.
Ronaldo on the other hand I would back to single handedly carry us if he could stay fit. Some of his performances in a bang average Portugal side have at times ben breathtaking.
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Post by logdog on May 4, 2019 19:02:03 GMT
It’s an interesting one this. Messi is a great player, that’s not even up for debate. But how good would he be in a team surrounded by average(ish) players? His Argentina performances suggest nothing special. I always used to think Andy Cole was extremely lucky to get the gig at United. Yes he scored shed loads of goals but he always seemed to need loads of chances. How much are some of these players carried by the team around them???
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 22:15:30 GMT
It’s an interesting one this. Messi is a great player, that’s not even up for debate. But how good would he be in a team surrounded by average(ish) players? His Argentina performances suggest nothing special. I always used to think Andy Cole was extremely lucky to get the gig at United. Yes he scored shed loads of goals but he always seemed to need loads of chances. How much are some of these players carried by the team around them??? Messi was a kid when he started for Barca at 17 (or was it 16). He was a star pronto. Even so, he was still just one of a number of exceptional players and characters: Puyol, Xavi, and Iniesta. Now all those three are gone from the team, and they haven't been replaced by any players on quite the same level, not that Rakatic et al aren't decent players. But Messi still stars, normally one would say head and shoulders, above every one else. Of course this doesn't answer your exact question, but it's a hint. The Argentina failure is a different thing. You can't say they had average players in a team which last world cup had Aguero, Dybala, Higuain, Banega etc in it. There are different things going on there, more along the lines of office politics and disrespect for the manager and personality clashes, but I don't know all the details.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 22:17:16 GMT
Messi is a good (ok great) player in a good top side. With lesser quality players around him he's less impressive. See his performances for Argentina which have often been less than stellar. I wouldn't see him msking a mid tsble side automatic promotion candidates. Ronaldo on the other hand I would back to single handedly carry us if he could stay fit. Some of his performances in a bang average Portugal side have at times ben breathtaking. Though they won the euros without him in the final...
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 5, 2019 8:23:21 GMT
Messi is a good (ok great) player in a good top side. With lesser quality players around him he's less impressive. See his performances for Argentina which have often been less than stellar. I wouldn't see him msking a mid tsble side automatic promotion candidates. Ronaldo on the other hand I would back to single handedly carry us if he could stay fit. Some of his performances in a bang average Portugal side have at times ben breathtaking. Though they won the euros without him in the final... Albeit he got them to the final, started the game, and pretty much directed the remainder of it from the touchline (when Messi would have skulked off nursing his injury - hypothetically).
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Post by berahinosgoals on May 5, 2019 9:32:36 GMT
We need youngsters not coffin dodgers
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 11:01:59 GMT
Though they won the euros without him in the final... Albeit he got them to the final, started the game, and pretty much directed the remainder of it from the touchline (when Messi would have skulked off nursing his injury - hypothetically). Actually Messi has been known to utter words of encouragement when he's been forced to sit on the sideline. He's just not as loud as some other. As for Ronaldo, I'm convinced Portugal wouldn't have won the final, if he hadn't gone off. Because then it would have been all about him, but instead they were forced to try and work as a team unit for the first time, and it worked! To return to the question of whether Messi could have worked with average players, well if Bojan was the touchstone, he did prove that he was able to work very well with Walters et al. It worked because the players were adaptable and were able to work in ways we hadn't seen before. It hasn't worked the second time around because the players of today are not adaptable at all, well most of them anyway, and the levels they are at are just too low. Bojan on his part just doesn't have the desire that he did then.
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Post by logdog on May 5, 2019 11:05:24 GMT
It’s an interesting one this. Messi is a great player, that’s not even up for debate. But how good would he be in a team surrounded by average(ish) players? His Argentina performances suggest nothing special. I always used to think Andy Cole was extremely lucky to get the gig at United. Yes he scored shed loads of goals but he always seemed to need loads of chances. How much are some of these players carried by the team around them??? Messi was a kid when he started for Barca at 17 (or was it 16). He was a star pronto. Even so, he was still just one of a number of exceptional players and characters: Puyol, Xavi, and Iniesta. Now all those three are gone from the team, and they haven't been replaced by any players on quite the same level, not that Rakatic et al aren't decent players. But Messi still stars, normally one would say head and shoulders, above every one else. Of course this doesn't answer your exact question, but it's a hint. The Argentina failure is a different thing. You can't say they had average players in a team which last world cup had Aguero, Dybala, Higuain, Banega etc in it. There are different things going on there, more along the lines of office politics and disrespect for the manager and personality clashes, but I don't know all the details.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 5, 2019 11:06:07 GMT
Albeit he got them to the final, started the game, and pretty much directed the remainder of it from the touchline (when Messi would have skulked off nursing his injury - hypothetically). Actually Messi has been known to utter words of encouragement when he's been forced to sit on the sideline. He's just not as loud as some other. As for Ronaldo, I'm convinced Portugal wouldn't have won the final, if he hadn't gone off. Because then it would have been all about him, but instead they were forced to try and work as a team unit for the first time, and it worked! To return to the question of whether Messi could have worked with average players, well if Bojan was the touchstone, he did prove that he was able to work very well with Walters et al. It worked because the players were adaptable and were able to work in ways we hadn't seen before. It hasn't worked the second time around because the players of today are not adaptable at all, well most of them anyway, and the levels they are at are just too low. Bojan on his part just doesn't have the desire that he did then. What's Bijan got to do with it (other tvan sulking when withdrawn from a game)??
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Post by logdog on May 5, 2019 11:10:31 GMT
Messi was a kid when he started for Barca at 17 (or was it 16). He was a star pronto. Even so, he was still just one of a number of exceptional players and characters: Puyol, Xavi, and Iniesta. Now all those three are gone from the team, and they haven't been replaced by any players on quite the same level, not that Rakatic et al aren't decent players. But Messi still stars, normally one would say head and shoulders, above every one else. Of course this doesn't answer your exact question, but it's a hint. The Argentina failure is a different thing. You can't say they had average players in a team which last world cup had Aguero, Dybala, Higuain, Banega etc in it. There are different things going on there, more along the lines of office politics and disrespect for the manager and personality clashes, but I don't know all the details. But the question remains, how good/influential would he be playing, say, as Mansfield Town’s number 10 versus Exeter City at Field Mill on a shitty Tuesday night in February???
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 11:11:28 GMT
What's Bijan got to do with it (other tvan sulking when withdrawn from a game)?? Read the thread!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 11:12:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 11:13:24 GMT
Pass !
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Post by JoeinOz on May 5, 2019 11:14:00 GMT
We need youngsters not coffin dodgers Yes OK. Messi is a coffin dodger. Fuxache eh?
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Post by berahinosgoals on May 5, 2019 12:48:48 GMT
We need youngsters not coffin dodgers Yes OK. Messi is a coffin dodger. Fuxache eh? In footballer terms he is 😉
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Post by JoeinOz on May 5, 2019 13:32:10 GMT
Yes OK. Messi is a coffin dodger. Fuxache eh? In footballer terms he is 😉 It's hardly holding him back
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 5, 2019 14:00:42 GMT
What's Bijan got to do with it (other tvan sulking when withdrawn from a game)?? Read the thread! Too busy watching the game - sorry.
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