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Post by tony1234 on Apr 21, 2019 11:21:24 GMT
Yep, but... Its not the only way to win the Champs, but you will notice that successful Champs managers are evolving with the same trend as the PL did: a move towards coaches, with experience of working in "winning" elite environments (i.e. the top c5-6 clubs in Europe's top leagues and international experiences) and a strong advanced understanding of sport science: often, but not always foreign:- Hughton, Benitez, Farke, Karanka, Wagner, Biesla, Jokanavic, Espirito Santo. The Dean Smiths, Warnocks, Alex Neil's (and Nathan Jones') still have their moment in the Champs, (and foreign managers will flop of course); but the Brits are relatively far less successful and its more and more the case that a successful "home-grown Brit" is bucking the trend. I'd expect the trend to continue. In Farke's case, it was his experience and knoweldge that meant he could a) spot, b) attract players like Buendia (1.5m), Pukki (free), Trybull (free), Stieperman (1m) - so instrumental to their run this year. His knowledge of coaching and player development meant he knew how to manage and develop young talent like Aarons and Lewis, to become first team regulars. I agree with what you say but why put NJ in the home-grown Brit category when he has played in Spain and achieved success improving players the way he did at Luton? Do you know he isn’t into sports science? Because the point of the foreign/elite club experience is the opportunity to pick up the top levels of thinking, sport science knowledge, practices and proceses - so as to be able to understand when and how to apply them, day to day. So, NJ's 30+ appearances for Numancia and Badajoz (where the average attendances puts the clubs' status at about that of Exeter City) doesn't qualify. And your point about Luton exemplifies that the experience has not been gained where the club are working to what we could imagine are the very highest possible standards of coaching, sport science, player recruitment and development. Am sure NJ has read the textbook, but day to day experience in that sort of setting is missing from his CV. But it is the sort of experience that is common to a string of the most successful coaches/managers in the Champs over the past few years.
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Post by tony1234 on Apr 21, 2019 11:23:32 GMT
Yep, but... Its not the only way to win the Champs, but you will notice that successful Champs managers are evolving with the same trend as the PL did: a move towards coaches, with experience of working in "winning" elite environments (i.e. the top c5-6 clubs in Europe's top leagues and international experiences) and a strong advanced understanding of sport science: often, but not always foreign:- Hughton, Benitez, Farke, Karanka, Wagner, Biesla, Jokanavic, Espirito Santo. The Dean Smiths, Warnocks, Alex Neil's (and Nathan Jones') still have their moment in the Champs, (and foreign managers will flop of course); but the Brits are relatively far less successful and its more and more the case that a successful "home-grown Brit" is bucking the trend. I'd expect the trend to continue. In Farke's case, it was his experience and knoweldge that meant he could a) spot, b) attract players like Buendia (1.5m), Pukki (free), Trybull (free), Stieperman (1m) - so instrumental to their run this year. His knowledge of coaching and player development meant he knew how to manage and develop young talent like Aarons and Lewis, to become first team regulars. Buendia and Pukki were found by the scouts - it was a moneyball thing, they looked at their stats as compared to what they were looking for. Am sure they were. I should have said, "the club" could spot and attract players like....
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Apr 21, 2019 11:29:49 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 21, 2019 11:29:49 GMT
Will come straight back down if they go up
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Apr 21, 2019 12:17:12 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 21, 2019 12:17:12 GMT
Will come straight back down if they go up Quite possibly, whomever else goes up definitely will. Good luck to then though.
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 21, 2019 12:27:39 GMT
Will come straight back down if they go up Quite possibly, whomever else goes up definitely will. Good luck to then though. It’s now getting harder to stay up , still think we will beat them tomorrow tho 😎
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