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Post by chad on Apr 19, 2019 16:54:03 GMT
My son just made a good a point This time last year Norwich finished 15th. Their fans were probably pissed off and thinking the Prem was light years away Don’t remember them spending vast sums of money and they certainly started the season with players well below the standard we had So who knows .......
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 19, 2019 17:54:22 GMT
My son just made a good a point This time last year Norwich finished 15th. Their fans were probably pissed off and thinking the Prem was light years away Don’t remember them spending vast sums of money and they certainly started the season with players well below the standard we had So who knows ....... Honestly, it's like pie in the sky stuff. Leicester were 13th and then they won the prem, why can't we? Etc. Look at our situation, look at what is happening week after week. Yes, things could improve, and I hope they do.... But as with Norwich I bet their fans are as surprised as anyone. The truth is this league is very very poor, Norwich look the most consistent (not even best) of a very very inconsistent bunch
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 19, 2019 19:13:36 GMT
This seems to be the straw that people keep clutching at
Not convinced myself. There needs to be a massive overhaul of players for Jones to play his diamond system. Just can't see us shifting all our deadwood
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Post by bhp on Apr 19, 2019 19:31:52 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 20, 2019 0:49:34 GMT
In a division of soaring spending and precarious debt Norwich have proved that intelligent leadership, savvy recruitment, progressive coaching and faith in youth can formulate a winning — and reaffirming — recipe for success.
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Post by shangamuzo on Apr 20, 2019 7:04:03 GMT
Farke done a great job on a relative shoestring.
Why cant Stoke try a continental coach for a change ?
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Post by chad on Apr 20, 2019 7:09:05 GMT
Go get this Webber guy !
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 20, 2019 7:16:59 GMT
Norwich spent 5 million quid, less than we spent on mcclean.
It doesn't matter about money when the club doesn't know how to make a good signing.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 20, 2019 7:20:39 GMT
Norwich don’t have a cancer within the club that we have. I’m afraid that until we cut that out, we’ll continue as is. There’ll be no miraculous title challenge without major change.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 20, 2019 7:23:04 GMT
Farke done a great job on a relative shoestring. Why cant Stoke try a continental coach for a change ? Ask Peter Coates. His idea of overseas is Martin O'Neill, and even he comes from the British part of Ireland.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 20, 2019 20:20:56 GMT
In a division of soaring spending and precarious debt Norwich have proved that intelligent leadership, savvy recruitment, progressive coaching and faith in youth can formulate a winning — and reaffirming — recipe for success. Everything we aren’t. Note they are looking at Burnley, Bournemouth, Swansea to model if they go up. Why not us? Because we gloriously showed how not to do it. Bad spending No youth signings Inconsistent academy No data analytics Poor recruitment No over arching philosophy, successful processes There’s no formula at stoke?!
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 20, 2019 20:21:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 20:34:01 GMT
My son just made a good a point This time last year Norwich finished 15th. Their fans were probably pissed off and thinking the Prem was light years away Don’t remember them spending vast sums of money and they certainly started the season with players well below the standard we had So who knows ....... They probably thought that having been beaten by us with zero shots on target
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Post by sportsman on Apr 20, 2019 20:36:31 GMT
Farke done a great job on a relative shoestring. Why cant Stoke try a continental coach for a change ? Norwich fans weren't saying that last season. Luton fans aren't saying it this.
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Apr 20, 2019 20:47:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 20:47:19 GMT
Norwich have got a manager who knows what he's doing.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 20, 2019 20:47:24 GMT
In a division of soaring spending and precarious debt Norwich have proved that intelligent leadership, savvy recruitment, progressive coaching and faith in youth can formulate a winning — and reaffirming — recipe for success. Everything we aren’t. Note they are looking at Burnley, Bournemouth, Swansea to model if they go up. Why not us? Because we gloriously showed how not to do it. Bad spending No youth signings Inconsistent academy No data analytics Poor recruitment No over arching philosophy, successful processes There’s no formula at stoke?! Not to dispute your overall point but the idea that we “gloriously showed how not to go up” is patently ridiculous. The only promoted team I can think of that has ever stayed in the division longer than us is Man City, and we weren’t even in the slightest danger of relegation for the vast majority of our time there.
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Post by tony1234 on Apr 20, 2019 20:48:19 GMT
My son just made a good a point This time last year Norwich finished 15th. Their fans were probably pissed off and thinking the Prem was light years away Don’t remember them spending vast sums of money and they certainly started the season with players well below the standard we had So who knows ....... Yep, but... Its not the only way to win the Champs, but you will notice that successful Champs managers are evolving with the same trend as the PL did: a move towards coaches, with experience of working in "winning" elite environments (i.e. the top c5-6 clubs in Europe's top leagues and international experiences) and a strong advanced understanding of sport science: often, but not always foreign:- Hughton, Benitez, Farke, Karanka, Wagner, Biesla, Jokanavic, Espirito Santo. The Dean Smiths, Warnocks, Alex Neil's (and Nathan Jones') still have their moment in the Champs, (and foreign managers will flop of course); but the Brits are relatively far less successful and its more and more the case that a successful "home-grown Brit" is bucking the trend. I'd expect the trend to continue. In Farke's case, it was his experience and knoweldge that meant he could a) spot, b) attract players like Buendia (1.5m), Pukki (free), Trybull (free), Stieperman (1m) - so instrumental to their run this year. His knowledge of coaching and player development meant he knew how to manage and develop young talent like Aarons and Lewis, to become first team regulars.
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Post by s8to on Apr 20, 2019 20:59:29 GMT
My son just made a good a point This time last year Norwich finished 15th. Their fans were probably pissed off and thinking the Prem was light years away Don’t remember them spending vast sums of money and they certainly started the season with players well below the standard we had So who knows ....... Yep, but... Its not the only way to win the Champs, but you will notice that successful Champs managers are evolving with the same trend as the PL did: a move towards coaches, with experience of working in "winning" elite environments (i.e. the top c5-6 clubs in Europe's top leagues and international experiences) and a strong advanced understanding of sport science: often, but not always foreign:- Hughton, Benitez, Farke, Karanka, Wagner, Biesla, Jokanavic. The Dean Smiths, Warnocks, Alex Neil's (and Nathan Jones') still have their moment in the Champs, (and foreign managers will flop of course); but the Brits are relatively far less successful and its more and more the case that a successful "home-grown Brit" is bucking the trend. I'd expect the trend to continue. In Farke's case, it was his experience and knoweldge that meant he could a) spot, b) attract players like Buendia (1.5m), Pukki (free), Trybull (free), Stieperman (1m) - so instrumental to their run this year. His knowledge of coaching and player development meant he knew how to manage and develop young talent like Aarons and Lewis, to become first team regulars. Let's see how long they last in the premier league! As regards stoke 15th with the re build facing us to the top 3 slots up for grabs. The current doldrums and downright shit results will shorten any honeymoon period Jones has in the new season in that patience will wear thin very fast if results don't happen Immediately. I am not convinced!
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Post by tony1234 on Apr 20, 2019 21:06:48 GMT
Yep, but... Its not the only way to win the Champs, but you will notice that successful Champs managers are evolving with the same trend as the PL did: a move towards coaches, with experience of working in "winning" elite environments (i.e. the top c5-6 clubs in Europe's top leagues and international experiences) and a strong advanced understanding of sport science: often, but not always foreign:- Hughton, Benitez, Farke, Karanka, Wagner, Biesla, Jokanavic. The Dean Smiths, Warnocks, Alex Neil's (and Nathan Jones') still have their moment in the Champs, (and foreign managers will flop of course); but the Brits are relatively far less successful and its more and more the case that a successful "home-grown Brit" is bucking the trend. I'd expect the trend to continue. In Farke's case, it was his experience and knoweldge that meant he could a) spot, b) attract players like Buendia (1.5m), Pukki (free), Trybull (free), Stieperman (1m) - so instrumental to their run this year. His knowledge of coaching and player development meant he knew how to manage and develop young talent like Aarons and Lewis, to become first team regulars. Let's see how long they last in the premier league! As regards stoke 15th with the re build facing us to the top 3 slots up for grabs. The current doldrums and downright shit results will shorten any honeymoon period Jones has in the new season in that patience will wear thin very fast if results don't happen Immediately. I am not convinced! I agree PL is a different kettle of fish - but you only have to look at the last 4-5 seasons and which sorts of manager are at the top of the Champs, to see NJ would be bucking the trend big style if he was up there next year.
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Post by s8to on Apr 20, 2019 21:41:14 GMT
That's my point some of these players play like tossers in the championship. Yet we will need them if we ever got up. The shelf life for Jones is short unless we smash the league next season!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 20, 2019 21:43:24 GMT
Norwich have got a manager who knows what he's doing. Did they when they finished 15th?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 20, 2019 21:44:08 GMT
Norwich have got a manager who knows what he's doing. Their fans didn’t think so this time last year.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 20, 2019 21:45:24 GMT
My son just made a good a point This time last year Norwich finished 15th. Their fans were probably pissed off and thinking the Prem was light years away Don’t remember them spending vast sums of money and they certainly started the season with players well below the standard we had So who knows ....... Yep, but... Its not the only way to win the Champs, but you will notice that successful Champs managers are evolving with the same trend as the PL did: a move towards coaches, with experience of working in "winning" elite environments (i.e. the top c5-6 clubs in Europe's top leagues and international experiences) and a strong advanced understanding of sport science: often, but not always foreign:- Hughton, Benitez, Farke, Karanka, Wagner, Biesla, Jokanavic, Espirito Santo. The Dean Smiths, Warnocks, Alex Neil's (and Nathan Jones') still have their moment in the Champs, (and foreign managers will flop of course); but the Brits are relatively far less successful and its more and more the case that a successful "home-grown Brit" is bucking the trend. I'd expect the trend to continue. In Farke's case, it was his experience and knoweldge that meant he could a) spot, b) attract players like Buendia (1.5m), Pukki (free), Trybull (free), Stieperman (1m) - so instrumental to their run this year. His knowledge of coaching and player development meant he knew how to manage and develop young talent like Aarons and Lewis, to become first team regulars. Buendia and Pukki were found by the scouts - it was a moneyball thing, they looked at their stats as compared to what they were looking for.
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Post by scfc5 on Apr 20, 2019 21:54:09 GMT
My son just made a good a point This time last year Norwich finished 15th. Their fans were probably pissed off and thinking the Prem was light years away Don’t remember them spending vast sums of money and they certainly started the season with players well below the standard we had So who knows ....... Yep, but... Its not the only way to win the Champs, but you will notice that successful Champs managers are evolving with the same trend as the PL did: a move towards coaches, with experience of working in "winning" elite environments (i.e. the top c5-6 clubs in Europe's top leagues and international experiences) and a strong advanced understanding of sport science: often, but not always foreign:- Hughton, Benitez, Farke, Karanka, Wagner, Biesla, Jokanavic, Espirito Santo. The Dean Smiths, Warnocks, Alex Neil's (and Nathan Jones') still have their moment in the Champs, (and foreign managers will flop of course); but the Brits are relatively far less successful and its more and more the case that a successful "home-grown Brit" is bucking the trend. I'd expect the trend to continue. In Farke's case, it was his experience and knoweldge that meant he could a) spot, b) attract players like Buendia (1.5m), Pukki (free), Trybull (free), Stieperman (1m) - so instrumental to their run this year. His knowledge of coaching and player development meant he knew how to manage and develop young talent like Aarons and Lewis, to become first team regulars. I agree with what you say but why put NJ in the home-grown Brit category when he has played in Spain and achieved success improving players the way he did at Luton? Do you know he isn’t into sports science?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 21:54:18 GMT
Norwich have got a manager who knows what he's doing. The irony. Prior to Norwich, Farke had taken 6 seasons to take his club, Lippstadt from the 6th tier to the 4th of German football before leaving for Dortmund reserves. Last season he finished nowhere with Norwich and he's deemed to know what he's doing. Contrast that with Jones, who took Luton from the fourth tier to pretty much the Championship in just three years and is deemed clueless on here by the experts. You really couldn't make it up.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 20, 2019 23:01:40 GMT
Norwich players know where the net is,ours couldn't find the net with a GPS system.
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Post by Gods on Apr 20, 2019 23:12:48 GMT
I can't see beyond a draw for this one, 0-0 or 1-1.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 6:18:22 GMT
My son just made a good a point This time last year Norwich finished 15th. Their fans were probably pissed off and thinking the Prem was light years away Don’t remember them spending vast sums of money and they certainly started the season with players well below the standard we had So who knows ....... Is your son Nathan Jones? Because he just made exactly the same point, actual words were a little different, but his point was exactly that!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 6:59:37 GMT
Norwich have got a manager who knows what he's doing. Their fans didn’t think so this time last year. Or even 6/7 games into this season. Their fans generally felt like they were going nowhere and would be rooted in the bottom half for the rest of the season. Whilst Norwich are a nice case study, Farke is a bit of an outlier in this respect (no experience at this level, or its equivalent overseas, and having them competing for auto promotion in such a relatively short timescale.) Not saying that Jones won’t turn things around but typically it will take longer than just a season and a couple of transfer windows. I fear we’ll have a few more bumps in the road yet; trimming this squad down and recruiting hungry and capable players is more than a one summer job imho.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 21, 2019 7:01:38 GMT
Their fans didn’t think so this time last year. Or even 6/7 games into this season. Their fans generally felt like they were going nowhere and would be rooted in the bottom half for the rest of the season. Whilst Norwich are a nice case study, Farke is a bit of an outlier in this respect (no experience at this level, or its equivalent overseas, and having them competing for auto promotion in such a relatively short timescale.) Not saying that Jones won’t turn things around but typically it will take longer than just a season and a couple of transfer windows. I fear we’ll have a few more bumps in the road yet; trimming this squad down and recruiting hungry and capable players is more than a one summer job imho. Agreed. Norwich themselves admit they’re ahead of where they expected to be at this stage. It just goes to show what can be achieved though, with a bit of vision.
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