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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 21, 2019 11:17:06 GMT
Notre Dame was under renovation(Just like the Glasgow School of Art was earlier in the year)that’s what all the scaffolding was round it for! The GSA was insured, so they’ll be footing the bill. Wasn’t Notre Dame insured... Yes. Insurance hasn't been mentioned has it? Considering it seems that the majority of the original renovation fund came from American investment in the first place there can be no doubt it'll be covered/insured, as this funding will not have been an unconditional gift. To be honest there is plenty to indicate an inside job on this one. I found this video from before the confligration interesting, not least as the Bronze statues are being airlifted away it seems there's no/very little wood in the destroyed spire {just a stone shell, and it appears the only part of the Dame that suffered was the old really knackered spire. If one looks rationally at what was removed/saved it should raise suspicions. There was also a simultaneous spontaneous combustion at the Al-Aqsa in Jerusalem. It's dodgy imo. I don't like how the appeal for cash etc was all up and running before any assessment of damage, before the fire had gone out. I've seen still shots of damage after the fire with wax candles in candelabras seemingly in tact next to charred beams, and footage of a drone above the Cathedral at the time of the fire... there's lots of speculation and some nonsense but it has been very 'convenient' on many levels. Have you seen 'I, Pet Goat 2'?
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Post by musik on Apr 21, 2019 11:53:03 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 21, 2019 12:04:48 GMT
Notre Dame was under renovation(Just like the Glasgow School of Art was earlier in the year)that’s what all the scaffolding was round it for! The GSA was insured, so they’ll be footing the bill. Wasn’t Notre Dame insured... Have you seen 'I, Pet Goat 2'? I have now
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 21, 2019 12:22:38 GMT
Have you seen 'I, Pet Goat 2'? I have now I'm interested in your opinion on it.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 21, 2019 14:26:01 GMT
I'm interested in your opinion on it. Why was Jesus in a gondola...
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 21, 2019 16:06:02 GMT
I'm interested in your opinion on it. Why was Jesus in a gondola... Coming ouf of uterus on an Egytptian punt with fire in his eyes, as a meteor shower (Lyrid/from the Thatcher Comet/ connected to Zeus and Appollo). While a Spire crumbles over his right shoulder. Tis the Sun, tis tbe Moon. A JC transformation, journey (Styx etc). Released in 2011. Easter, Aster, Star Worship, the coming Summer etc.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 21, 2019 17:17:55 GMT
Why was Jesus in a gondola... Coming ouf of uterus on an Egytptian punt with fire in his eyes, as a meteor shower (Lyrid/from the Thatcher Comet/ connected to Zeus and Appollo). While a Spire crumbles over his right shoulder. Tis the Sun, tis tbe Moon. A JC transformation, journey (Styx etc). Released in 2011. Easter, Aster, Star Worship, the coming Summer etc. Is the coming summer going to be a good thing or a drought...
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 21, 2019 17:33:01 GMT
Coming ouf of uterus on an Egytptian punt with fire in his eyes, as a meteor shower (Lyrid/from the Thatcher Comet/ connected to Zeus and Appollo). While a Spire crumbles over his right shoulder. Tis the Sun, tis tbe Moon. A JC transformation, journey (Styx etc). Released in 2011. Easter, Aster, Star Worship, the coming Summer etc. Is the coming summer going to be a good thing or a drought... A total world re-set and consciousness shift around August. Variable, plenty of unusual weather phenomena, difficult growing for root crops in the meantime. White Sun.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 21, 2019 18:06:42 GMT
Is the coming summer going to be a good thing or a drought... A total world re-set and consciousness shift around August. Variable, plenty of unusual weather phenomena, difficult growing for root crops in the meantime. White Sun. But Jesus still gets the fishes to jump into his boat when he enters the whale, so all is not lost...
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 21, 2019 18:55:51 GMT
A total world re-set and consciousness shift around August. Variable, plenty of unusual weather phenomena, difficult growing for root crops in the meantime. White Sun. But Jesus still gets the fishes to jump into his boat when he enters the whale, so all is not lost... I should perhaps have another look. I read it as Kamikaze fish, the old fascination with Sacrifice, self-sacrifice, the Death cult etc. Or maybe escaping a polluted river. As well as the evolution allegories involved in the fish going onto land and that.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 21, 2019 19:08:01 GMT
But Jesus still gets the fishes to jump into his boat when he enters the whale, so all is not lost... I should perhaps have another look. I read it as Kamikaze fish, the old fascination with Sacrifice, self-sacrifice, the Death cult etc. Or maybe escaping a polluted river. As well as the evolution allegories involved in the fish going onto land and that. The whale is a reference to Jonah, who(According to Christianity)is a reference to Jesus in the bowels of death. So I wouldn’t have expected it to be kamikaze. Surely that would be sushime 🍣
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 21, 2019 19:57:42 GMT
I should perhaps have another look. I read it as Kamikaze fish, the old fascination with Sacrifice, self-sacrifice, the Death cult etc. Or maybe escaping a polluted river. As well as the evolution allegories involved in the fish going onto land and that. The whale is a reference to Jonah, who(According to Christianity)is a reference to Jesus in the bowels of death. So I wouldn’t have expected it to be kamikaze. Surely that would be sushime 🍣 I like your thinking. Sushi, 'bowels of death', gondola. I will be avoiding Italian/Japanese fusion seafood dishes.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 22, 2019 15:21:53 GMT
So is anyone questioning TWO 'electrical fires' breaking out in different areas on the same night in the same building.
An electrical spark??
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 22, 2019 16:29:41 GMT
So is anyone questioning TWO 'electrical fires' breaking out in different areas on the same night in the same building. An electrical spark?? It's so obviously a different kind of fire. Quick to get going, stone burning and with special smoke. Workers had gone by five.. confirmed by contractors early doors there was no welding etc going on on that day. These will be conservators not hairy arsed Gitanes toting cowboys. Faked as fuck... interesting why and what the agenda for such an operation is... it goes beyond an insurance claim and creating a bit of fear....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 25, 2019 10:07:26 GMT
So is anyone questioning TWO 'electrical fires' breaking out in different areas on the same night in the same building. An electrical spark?? It's so obviously a different kind of fire. Quick to get going, stone burning and with special smoke. Workers had gone by five.. confirmed by contractors early doors there was no welding etc going on on that day. These will be conservators not hairy arsed Gitanes toting cowboys. Faked as fuck... interesting why and what the agenda for such an operation is... it goes beyond an insurance claim and creating a bit of fear.... Unfortunately there has been many recent attacks on Christian churches throughout France, both vandalism and fires. If, and it's a big if, this was another deliberate attack the backlash would enormous. Better it be an accident.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 25, 2019 15:52:07 GMT
It's so obviously a different kind of fire. Quick to get going, stone burning and with special smoke. Workers had gone by five.. confirmed by contractors early doors there was no welding etc going on on that day. These will be conservators not hairy arsed Gitanes toting cowboys. Faked as fuck... interesting why and what the agenda for such an operation is... it goes beyond an insurance claim and creating a bit of fear.... Unfortunately there has been many recent attacks on Christian churches throughout France, both vandalism and fires. If, and it's a big if, this was another deliberate attack the backlash would enormous. Better it be an accident. DEW (direct energy weapons),it was microwaved basically. Deep state rather than outside/religious opposition threats. Imo.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 3:32:41 GMT
You have to wonder what part Le Pen and the right played in this. A fire suddenly turns up at a very suspicious time when Macron is already under pressure. Call me cynical but it's very convenient timing for his opponents I would say.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 26, 2019 6:18:52 GMT
You have to wonder what part Le Pen and the right played in this. A fire suddenly turns up at a very suspicious time when Macron is already under pressure. Call me cynical but it's very convenient timing for his opponents I would say. It could just as easily and more probably be a group of or individuals who bear a grudge against the established church Due to the increased accidents that appears to be happening to church’s in France Yet again it could also of been started by a supporter of a rival religion I quite surprised that you were prepared to indiscriminately blame the right That is most unlike your usual balanced viewpoint
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 26, 2019 12:00:50 GMT
You have to wonder what part Le Pen and the right played in this. A fire suddenly turns up at a very suspicious time when Macron is already under pressure. Call me cynical but it's very convenient timing for his opponents I would say. It could just as easily and more probably be a group of or individuals who bear a grudge against the established church Due to the increased accidents that appears to be happening to church’s in France Yet again it could also of been started by a supporter of a rival religion I quite surprised that you were prepared to indiscriminately blame the right That is most unlike your usual balanced viewpoint You're correct that I was indiscriminately blaming the right. I was trying to see if people would lap up any old shit conspiracy theory that has no evidence, or whether it was just certain groups of people who think everything happens because the liberal/socialist establishment are stitching them up. I'm sure if a bus stop was set alight in Hanley some people would think it was a NWO conspiracy. Obviously there's fuck all proof about my claims about Le Pen and the right, as there is no proof that show Macron, a religious group, or "the authorities" deliberately started a fire. As far as I know there's not much proof of anything at the moment as they're still investigating.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 26, 2019 14:37:12 GMT
It could just as easily and more probably be a group of or individuals who bear a grudge against the established church Due to the increased accidents that appears to be happening to church’s in France Yet again it could also of been started by a supporter of a rival religion I quite surprised that you were prepared to indiscriminately blame the right That is most unlike your usual balanced viewpoint You're correct that I was indiscriminately blaming the right. I was trying to see if people would lap up any old shit conspiracy theory that has no evidence, or whether it was just certain groups of people who think everything happens because the liberal/socialist establishment are stitching them up. I'm sure if a bus stop was set alight in Hanley some people would think it was a NWO conspiracy. Obviously there's fuck all proof about my claims about Le Pen and the right, as there is no proof that show Macron, a religious group, or "the authorities" deliberately started a fire. As far as I know there's not much proof of anything at the moment as they're still investigating. As well they should I just hope that when they arrive at the truth they publish it however uncomfortable it is
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Post by kelw on Apr 26, 2019 14:42:23 GMT
I reckon it was Kitson
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 26, 2019 14:48:25 GMT
That could explain the orange looking flames poking above the parapets
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Post by kelw on Apr 26, 2019 14:59:53 GMT
That could explain the orange looking flames poking above the parapets To be fair the fire started near the confessionals....the idea of Kitson doing anything near a box are unlikely
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 26, 2019 22:20:56 GMT
It could just as easily and more probably be a group of or individuals who bear a grudge against the established church Due to the increased accidents that appears to be happening to church’s in France Yet again it could also of been started by a supporter of a rival religion I quite surprised that you were prepared to indiscriminately blame the right That is most unlike your usual balanced viewpoint You're correct that I was indiscriminately blaming the right. I was trying to see if people would lap up any old shit conspiracy theory that has no evidence, or whether it was just certain groups of people who think everything happens because the liberal/socialist establishment are stitching them up. I'm sure if a bus stop was set alight in Hanley some people would think it was a NWO conspiracy. Obviously there's fuck all proof about my claims about Le Pen and the right, as there is no proof that show Macron, a religious group, or "the authorities" deliberately started a fire. As far as I know there's not much proof of anything at the moment as they're still investigating. A little hypocritical to bemoan the lack of engaging debate whilst simultaneously setting disingenous attempted traps like this. No one bit so where does that leave us? Hasn't moved the debate on but casts doubts on the truthfulness of your posts and how futile it is to engage in such polemic. Poor show.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 26, 2019 22:30:28 GMT
You have to wonder what part Le Pen and the right played in this. A fire suddenly turns up at a very suspicious time when Macron is already under pressure. Call me cynical but it's very convenient timing for his opponents I would say. Or it gives macron the opportunity to play on the fire and turn the news away from his negative stuff.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 27, 2019 2:55:54 GMT
You're correct that I was indiscriminately blaming the right. I was trying to see if people would lap up any old shit conspiracy theory that has no evidence, or whether it was just certain groups of people who think everything happens because the liberal/socialist establishment are stitching them up. I'm sure if a bus stop was set alight in Hanley some people would think it was a NWO conspiracy. Obviously there's fuck all proof about my claims about Le Pen and the right, as there is no proof that show Macron, a religious group, or "the authorities" deliberately started a fire. As far as I know there's not much proof of anything at the moment as they're still investigating. A little hypocritical to bemoan the lack of engaging debate whilst simultaneously setting disingenous attempted traps like this. No one bit so where does that leave us? Hasn't moved the debate on but casts doubts on the truthfulness of your posts and how futile it is to engage in such polemic. Poor show. You're correct. Apologies. Lets get back to the real stuff - what is the evidence that it was a Direct Energy Weapon that started the fire?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 27, 2019 3:33:13 GMT
A little hypocritical to bemoan the lack of engaging debate whilst simultaneously setting disingenous attempted traps like this. No one bit so where does that leave us? Hasn't moved the debate on but casts doubts on the truthfulness of your posts and how futile it is to engage in such polemic. Poor show. You're correct. Apologies. Lets get back to the real stuff - what is the evidence that it was a Direct Energy Weapon that started the fire? You obviously didn't read my post. Unusual flames and smoke, burning stone, focused and localised damage, a containable conflagration with all the hallmarks of a controlled demolition. Still not seen evidence of any rubble. Candles/organ/ stained glass windows remain in tact. All relics removed pre incident. All the signs that camera crews and reporters(some off duty) all in perfect position for 'on the spot' reportage. Drones sighted. The fact that such technology does exist and has been used. And then the convenience of it and how it fits into a wider context of European politics, the involvement of US investment/financiers and the rotten Holy See. The fact that it was deemed the fault of workmen and appeals for money began before the smoke had settled and no talk of insurance nor building contractors indemnity/liability. The heavy lead roof and crumbling(beyond renovation)spire is all that burned. Look at all the pre-fire footage, fuck all wood involved. Oh and then there are plenty of clues in the timing of it. I could go on, if you took five minutes to dig a little you'd fall over plenty of indications that it's yet another inside job. The delay of the appropriate rescue services... one fireman up a ladder with a water hose... give me a break that place would have been foamed the fuck out. The whole thing stinks. Manipulation and control etc it must be reassuring to trust Macron et al. Nice try at a dig and twist. For the real tinfoil conspiracy theory stuff check out UN agenda 2020. This is conspiracy fact not theory I'm afraid.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 27, 2019 4:28:10 GMT
You're correct. Apologies. Lets get back to the real stuff - what is the evidence that it was a Direct Energy Weapon that started the fire? You obviously didn't read my post. Unusual flames and smoke, burning stone, focused and localised damage, a containable conflagration with all the hallmarks of a controlled demolition. Still not seen evidence of any rubble. Candles/organ/ stained glass windows remain in tact. All relics removed pre incident. All the signs that camera crews and reporters(some off duty) all in perfect position for 'on the spot' reportage. Drones sighted. The fact that such technology does exist and has been used. And then the convenience of it and how it fits into a wider context of European politics, the involvement of US investment/financiers and the rotten Holy See. The fact that it was deemed the fault of workmen and appeals for money began before the smoke had settled and no talk of insurance nor building contractors indemnity/liability. The heavy lead roof and crumbling(beyond renovation)spire is all that burned. Look at all the pre-fire footage, fuck all wood involved. Oh and then there are plenty of clues in the timing of it. I could go on, if you took five minutes to dig a little you'd fall over plenty of indications that it's yet another inside job. The delay of the appropriate rescue services... one fireman up a ladder with a water hose... give me a break that place would have been foamed the fuck out. The whole thing stinks. Manipulation and control etc it must be reassuring to trust Macron et al. Nice try at a dig and twist. For the real tinfoil conspiracy theory stuff check out UN agenda 2020. This is conspiracy fact not theory I'm afraid. I assume you have some sort of background in understanding how fire burns with different materials? Or have read someone who does? I'd be interested to read the science of it. Some of the rest is not that convincing (journalists being the right place is hardly surprising given it's one of the iconic buildings of the world) but I'm interested in the science of how the fire burned. Certainly that could provide a key to the whole thing.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 27, 2019 5:15:37 GMT
You obviously didn't read my post. Unusual flames and smoke, burning stone, focused and localised damage, a containable conflagration with all the hallmarks of a controlled demolition. Still not seen evidence of any rubble. Candles/organ/ stained glass windows remain in tact. All relics removed pre incident. All the signs that camera crews and reporters(some off duty) all in perfect position for 'on the spot' reportage. Drones sighted. The fact that such technology does exist and has been used. And then the convenience of it and how it fits into a wider context of European politics, the involvement of US investment/financiers and the rotten Holy See. The fact that it was deemed the fault of workmen and appeals for money began before the smoke had settled and no talk of insurance nor building contractors indemnity/liability. The heavy lead roof and crumbling(beyond renovation)spire is all that burned. Look at all the pre-fire footage, fuck all wood involved. Oh and then there are plenty of clues in the timing of it. I could go on, if you took five minutes to dig a little you'd fall over plenty of indications that it's yet another inside job. The delay of the appropriate rescue services... one fireman up a ladder with a water hose... give me a break that place would have been foamed the fuck out. The whole thing stinks. Manipulation and control etc it must be reassuring to trust Macron et al. Nice try at a dig and twist. For the real tinfoil conspiracy theory stuff check out UN agenda 2020. This is conspiracy fact not theory I'm afraid. I assume you have some sort of background in understanding how fire burns with different materials? Or have read someone who does? I'd be interested to read the science of it. Some of the rest is not that convincing (journalists being the right place is hardly surprising given it's one of the iconic buildings of the world) but I'm interested in the science of how the fire burned. Certainly that could provide a key to the whole thing. I am an expert in fire. And of course there are plenty of vids and things regarding DEW, HAARP, Sound Energy, weaponised laser tech. Etc etc. If you're interested look into the history and origins of the humble microwave. Not really intended for pinging beans mate. It's not a court of law, but a forum, I think it reaches a point where the amount of 'circumstantial' stuff becomes persuasive and a lack of proof to the contrary becomes compelling (imo). It was 9/11 part two. Or do you believe the official narrative of that one too?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 27, 2019 7:19:45 GMT
I assume you have some sort of background in understanding how fire burns with different materials? Or have read someone who does? I'd be interested to read the science of it. Some of the rest is not that convincing (journalists being the right place is hardly surprising given it's one of the iconic buildings of the world) but I'm interested in the science of how the fire burned. Certainly that could provide a key to the whole thing. I am an expert in fire. And of course there are plenty of vids and things regarding DEW, HAARP, Sound Energy, weaponised laser tech. Etc etc. If you're interested look into the history and origins of the humble microwave. Not really intended for pinging beans mate. It's not a court of law, but a forum, I think it reaches a point where the amount of 'circumstantial' stuff becomes persuasive and a lack of proof to the contrary becomes compelling (imo). It was 9/11 part two. Or do you believe the official narrative of that one too? I'm not denying the technology exists, more asking whether it was used at Notre Dame. You're right that it's not a court of law. However, my opinion is that the burden of proof always falls on the person making a claim, and not on others to prove it is untrue. And I'm always sceptical of conspiracy theories that arise in the immediate aftermath of events, before most information is known to the public. For example, in this case it seems people are doubting the official narrative before an official narrative has even been produced (no official reason has been given for the fire yet). I don't believe all the official narrative of 9/11, as I'm sure there was a lot of arse covering afterwards. However, I think the rough timeline of events is accurate.
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