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Post by jontimmis on Apr 14, 2019 12:10:14 GMT
Hit rock bottom
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Post by Gods on Apr 14, 2019 12:16:30 GMT
I wonder.
If the Chairman still has Tony Pulis number on his cell phone, and he's not able to take Middlesboro back to the promised land via the play-offs if the great maestro might be persuaded to return to try to throw back to the shadows for one last hurrah?
Every last man Jack on their feet for his return.
It's worth a go, dreams are made of things like this.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 14, 2019 12:20:51 GMT
I wonder. If the Chairman still has Tony Pulis number on his cell phone, and he's not able to take Middlesboro back to the promised land via the play-offs if the great maestro might be persuaded to return to try to throw back to the shadows for one last hurrah? Every last man Jack on their feet for his return. It's worth a go, dreams are made of things like this. That would split the fan base even more. Having already bought my season ticket I would be asking for a refund on the grounds that it was sold under misleading circumstances. Talk about going backwards.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 14, 2019 12:25:47 GMT
Local businesses doing some of the catering on the concourse seems like a good idea. Oatcakes for a start, and perhaps something for the more health-conscious fan?
As for the really important bit, the football, I haven’t a clue. The summer clearout keeps being mentioned but I can’t see much interest in our players apart from the very few we’d want to keep!
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Post by Gods on Apr 14, 2019 12:25:49 GMT
I wonder. If the Chairman still has Tony Pulis number on his cell phone, and he's not able to take Middlesboro back to the promised land via the play-offs if the great maestro might be persuaded to return to try to throw back to the shadows for one last hurrah? Every last man Jack on their feet for his return. It's worth a go, dreams are made of things like this. That would split the fan base even more. Having already bought my season ticket I would be asking for a refund on the grounds that it was sold under misleading circumstances. Talk about going backwards. I really don't think it would any more. It's as plain as the nose on your face, Pulis and Hughes are different class to Lambert,Rowett and Jones, it's not even a point for debate.
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Post by march4 on Apr 14, 2019 13:05:45 GMT
It easy to unite the club. Bring in a manager our squad of international footballers will respect. Results will improve and the crowd will be happier. Appointing lower league managers was always doomed to fail. Clearly incorrect. Your mate was a lower league manager when he came and we got promoted. We employed a well respected manager when he left in Hughes, and he did well at first before the wheels fell off big time. The right manager is the right manager, no matter his background. We weren’t then a squad full of international footballers. We were a team of third division cloggers and appointing a manager at the same stage of his career was perfectly sensible. The manager and players can grow together. The appointment of Jones just like the appointment of Rowett is a risk too far. They don’t have a millisecond of experience of a squad full of internationals. The ‘right man’ has to have both the right skills AND the right experience.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 14, 2019 13:19:39 GMT
Get rid of Bojan for starters, unfortunately. Regardless of what you think of him, he’s causing major problems at the club. How so? He makes the other players look shite.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 14, 2019 13:53:43 GMT
Did you here Jones' banging on about how he's played Bojan, the fan's favourite, so pointedly? Sadly Bojan has become a political pawn. And given his history of mental issues and anxiety the club should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for allowing it to happen. Really ashamed of themselves! I like NJ but he should know better than to get sucked into that game. Bojan will unfortunately become a cautionary tale and Stoke will look anything but good in hindsight. Carto and Scholes need to go. They are simply not good enough. If they were we wouldn't be in this state. It really is that simple. The last 4 years have proved it.
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Post by adamsson on Apr 14, 2019 14:09:27 GMT
It easy to unite the club. Bring in a manager our squad of international footballers will respect. Results will improve and the crowd will be happier. Appointing lower league managers was always doomed to fail. Who do suggest Mourinho? He is out of work
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 14, 2019 14:41:38 GMT
Did you here Jones' banging on about how he's played Bojan, the fan's favourite, so pointedly? Sadly Bojan has become a political pawn. And given his history of mental issues and anxiety the club should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for allowing it to happen. Really ashamed of themselves! I like NJ but he should know better than to get sucked into that game. Bojan will unfortunately become a cautionary tale and Stoke will look anything but good in hindsight. Carto and Scholes need to go. They are simply not good enough. If they were we wouldn't be in this state. It really is that simple. The last 4 years have proved it. When is the next Q and A and will Scholes and Cartwright be there? I would like to attend if so.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 14, 2019 15:24:49 GMT
Don't know chief but it would be good if someone who is good in the public arena would go and ask some proper questions and put them on the spot properly.
Sadly i dont think anything is likely to change soon. Its a real concern. We are heading back to the Brian Little days.
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Post by stokefan1972 on Apr 14, 2019 15:26:06 GMT
I visited Lincoln City yesterday, my local side these days, the starkest contrast between them and Stoke is the unity that runs through the football club. The directors sit with the fans to understand the fan experience they have fans on the board to understand the issues, the players, management, groundmans to the tea lady share a vision and direction. They are not scared to make tough decisive decisions, they sacked the club caterers mid season for poor performance and instead now let individual catering booths to local businesses, the variety and choice is incredible. They listen to the fans and involve them in all areas of the club, open training sessions, fanzone, singing zone, smart ticketing, temporary seating areas etc etc the list goes on, in short they are everything we are not, unified on and off the pitch. Until the club is unified from the top to the bottom we are making the managers job harder and harder, he can not rely on the 12th man come match day, so many little things annoy you during the match day experience that your ability to stay objective and support the team is eroded, contributing to the atmosphere we have had for the last 3 years. Clearly we need a re- focus , a direction that is shared not just through the club but with the fans as well, I am struggling to see any efforts from the club to even realise this is a problem! Just how do we move forward? I suggest you carry on visiting Lincoln
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 14, 2019 15:43:13 GMT
I visited Lincoln City yesterday, my local side these days, the starkest contrast between them and Stoke is the unity that runs through the football club. The directors sit with the fans to understand the fan experience they have fans on the board to understand the issues, the players, management, groundmans to the tea lady share a vision and direction. They are not scared to make tough decisive decisions, they sacked the club caterers mid season for poor performance and instead now let individual catering booths to local businesses, the variety and choice is incredible. They listen to the fans and involve them in all areas of the club, open training sessions, fanzone, singing zone, smart ticketing, temporary seating areas etc etc the list goes on, in short they are everything we are not, unified on and off the pitch. Until the club is unified from the top to the bottom we are making the managers job harder and harder, he can not rely on the 12th man come match day, so many little things annoy you during the match day experience that your ability to stay objective and support the team is eroded, contributing to the atmosphere we have had for the last 3 years. Clearly we need a re- focus , a direction that is shared not just through the club but with the fans as well, I am struggling to see any efforts from the club to even realise this is a problem! Just how do we move forward? I suggest you carry on visiting Lincoln I wouldn't blame him/her. Seems like a good set up to be fair.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 14, 2019 15:54:46 GMT
I visited Lincoln City yesterday, my local side these days, the starkest contrast between them and Stoke is the unity that runs through the football club. The directors sit with the fans to understand the fan experience they have fans on the board to understand the issues, the players, management, groundmans to the tea lady share a vision and direction. They are not scared to make tough decisive decisions, they sacked the club caterers mid season for poor performance and instead now let individual catering booths to local businesses, the variety and choice is incredible. They listen to the fans and involve them in all areas of the club, open training sessions, fanzone, singing zone, smart ticketing, temporary seating areas etc etc the list goes on, in short they are everything we are not, unified on and off the pitch. Until the club is unified from the top to the bottom we are making the managers job harder and harder, he can not rely on the 12th man come match day, so many little things annoy you during the match day experience that your ability to stay objective and support the team is eroded, contributing to the atmosphere we have had for the last 3 years. Clearly we need a re- focus , a direction that is shared not just through the club but with the fans as well, I am struggling to see any efforts from the club to even realise this is a problem! Just how do we move forward? Excellent post and question. I think we can look at the principles of successful organisations and apply them to Stoke and see the glaring chasms. Strategy - There is a clear focus on what its trying to do and be. When we got up, I think we had it. A DNA, way of playing, set of players who were bought in.... it all made sense. Culture/accountability - People are accountable for delivering their part. it is a clear part of the strategy. (There is no accountability for the football side it seems - the bumbling, failing imbecile who runs it would have been long gone). "Business model"/Tactics - In business parlance, they know how they make their money. In football - they know how to win games, they have routes to score goals. Leadership - People lead by example. You can be a leader at any level of the organisation. Its basically about owning issues and taking responsbility for solving them - and co-opting others to help. Teamwork - It follows from culture and leadership. People get behind the team ethos and see the whole as more important. Skills - There needs to be the right balance of expertise for all the key jobs. Once you've created an organisation that does this, it will not only be successful, but also be attractive (to fans, other players etc). Fans will also see the "whole" and have a tangible force to get behind. But when its dysfunctional, confused, ineffective, you are asking a massive amount for fans to "heal" the club from their support alone. Its a great, thought provoking post!. Our leader did some of this! Lessons were learned, unfortunately, by slow learners or ones who just talk about it and do fuck all! City Chief Executive Tony Scholes said: “We are always looking at new ways to develop, both in the technical programme in terms of player and coach development and player recruitment and also in off-the-field matters, by looking to share knowledge and expertise with our peers wherever possible. We believe our partnership with St. Pauli will allow us to do both.
“Like us, St. Pauli are embedded in their local community and there will be things that, inevitably, both clubs do very similarly.
“However, St. Pauli have a different approach to the business of football that has earned them a cult following around the world and we’re keen to tap into their knowledge as much as they are keen to tap into ours.”
Aren't we partners with Orlando*, what have we learned from them regarding the 'customer experience'? *Or whatever they're called now.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 14, 2019 15:58:37 GMT
Excellent post and question. I think we can look at the principles of successful organisations and apply them to Stoke and see the glaring chasms. Strategy - There is a clear focus on what its trying to do and be. When we got up, I think we had it. A DNA, way of playing, set of players who were bought in.... it all made sense. Culture/accountability - People are accountable for delivering their part. it is a clear part of the strategy. (There is no accountability for the football side it seems - the bumbling, failing imbecile who runs it would have been long gone). "Business model"/Tactics - In business parlance, they know how they make their money. In football - they know how to win games, they have routes to score goals. Leadership - People lead by example. You can be a leader at any level of the organisation. Its basically about owning issues and taking responsbility for solving them - and co-opting others to help. Teamwork - It follows from culture and leadership. People get behind the team ethos and see the whole as more important. Skills - There needs to be the right balance of expertise for all the key jobs. Once you've created an organisation that does this, it will not only be successful, but also be attractive (to fans, other players etc). Fans will also see the "whole" and have a tangible force to get behind. But when its dysfunctional, confused, ineffective, you are asking a massive amount for fans to "heal" the club from their support alone. Its a great, thought provoking post!. Our leader did some of this! Lessons were learned, unfortunately, by slow learners or ones who just talk about it and do fuck all! City Chief Executive Tony Scholes said: “We are always looking at new ways to develop, both in the technical programme in terms of player and coach development and player recruitment and also in off-the-field matters, by looking to share knowledge and expertise with our peers wherever possible. We believe our partnership with St. Pauli will allow us to do both. “Like us, St. Pauli are embedded in their local community and there will be things that, inevitably, both clubs do very similarly. “However, St. Pauli have a different approach to the business of football that has earned them a cult following around the world and we’re keen to tap into their knowledge as much as they are keen to tap into ours.” "Always looking" but never actually doing anything. Sums it up nicely.
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Post by Goonie on Apr 14, 2019 16:05:11 GMT
Scholes, Cartwright and the apathetic squad members (selected via a public vote) are pilloried last game - bring your rotten eggs and veg - keeps the youngsters fit too
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Post by mrred on Apr 14, 2019 16:11:48 GMT
Seeing players 100% committed every single week. It's the absolute bare fucking minimum for a footballer.
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Post by Goonie on Apr 14, 2019 16:11:49 GMT
I wonder. If the Chairman still has Tony Pulis number on his cell phone, and he's not able to take Middlesboro back to the promised land via the play-offs if the great maestro might be persuaded to return to try to throw back to the shadows for one last hurrah? Every last man Jack on their feet for his return. It's worth a go, dreams are made of things like this. If Jones fails by Xmas why not Fuck me I'd love to have been a fly on the wall with some of these work-shy flops and TP in full-on Towel Gate mode😁
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Post by stokefan1972 on Apr 14, 2019 16:13:00 GMT
I wonder. If the Chairman still has Tony Pulis number on his cell phone, and he's not able to take Middlesboro back to the promised land via the play-offs if the great maestro might be persuaded to return to try to throw back to the shadows for one last hurrah? Every last man Jack on their feet for his return. It's worth a go, dreams are made of things like this. If Jones fails by Xmas why not Fuck me I'd love to have been a fly on the wall with some of these work-shy flops and TP in full-on Towel Gate mode😁 if he fails by 1st October
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Post by Milkie on Apr 14, 2019 16:30:45 GMT
Sadly over 40 years as a Stokie means I will inevitably be drawn back. It was however a welcome distraction to go to a match in which I was not emotionally attached , treated to an enjoyable March day experience, which included WiFi, so I could keep tabs on our capitulation, and not have a 2 hour drive back juntering to myself !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 17:21:32 GMT
Why does Bojan have to get mentioned in every thread ffs! We need a Bojan Jar on this forum, every time someone starts a thread about him or crowbars him into an unrelated thread they get fined a quid. You're the first to mention him in this thread. First fine goes to you
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 14, 2019 17:29:28 GMT
That would split the fan base even more. Having already bought my season ticket I would be asking for a refund on the grounds that it was sold under misleading circumstances. Talk about going backwards. I really don't think it would any more. It's as plain as the nose on your face, Pulis and Hughes are different class to Lambert,Rowett and Jones, it's not even a point for debate. Of course it would. Why would you bring in a bloke quite clearly on the way down as a manager? Relegated WBA (all but) and is struggling to get Boro in the playoffs despite spending millions. Like O'Neil, McCarthy and Buce, Toxic's best days are behind him.
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Post by tuum on Apr 14, 2019 17:49:09 GMT
It easy to unite the club. Bring in a manager our squad of international footballers will respect. Results will improve and the crowd will be happier. Appointing lower league managers was always doomed to fail. It shouldn't have to be that way but I fear you may be right.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 14, 2019 18:53:49 GMT
It easy to unite the club. Bring in a manager our squad of international footballers will respect. Results will improve and the crowd will be happier. Appointing lower league managers was always doomed to fail. It shouldn't have to be that way but I fear you may be right. No established manager will come for the money we have paid the last three managers , the two often mentioned Benitez and Allardyce are circa £5m per annum .plus staff , plus control which would signal the end of the process and those with a vested interest in it , that tells a story in itself why we have never even at the peak secured the manager our investment and at the time top ten status required to push us on. manager recruitment has been handled as appallingly as transfers from QSF to Paul Lambert in 48 hours .
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 14, 2019 19:17:51 GMT
Naked Cheerleaders and free beer 🍺
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 14, 2019 21:14:28 GMT
It shouldn't have to be that way but I fear you may be right. No established manager will come for the money we have paid the last three managers , the two often mentioned Benitez and Allardyce are circa £5m per annum .plus staff , plus control which would signal the end of the process and those with a vested interest in it , that tells a story in itself why we have never even at the peak secured the manager our investment and at the time top ten status required to push us on. manager recruitment has been handled as appallingly as transfers from QSF to Paul Lambert in 48 hours . yup
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 14, 2019 21:24:08 GMT
Excellent post and question. I think we can look at the principles of successful organisations and apply them to Stoke and see the glaring chasms. Strategy - There is a clear focus on what its trying to do and be. When we got up, I think we had it. A DNA, way of playing, set of players who were bought in.... it all made sense. Culture/accountability - People are accountable for delivering their part. it is a clear part of the strategy. (There is no accountability for the football side it seems - the bumbling, failing imbecile who runs it would have been long gone). "Business model"/Tactics - In business parlance, they know how they make their money. In football - they know how to win games, they have routes to score goals. Leadership - People lead by example. You can be a leader at any level of the organisation. Its basically about owning issues and taking responsbility for solving them - and co-opting others to help. Teamwork - It follows from culture and leadership. People get behind the team ethos and see the whole as more important. Skills - There needs to be the right balance of expertise for all the key jobs. Once you've created an organisation that does this, it will not only be successful, but also be attractive (to fans, other players etc). Fans will also see the "whole" and have a tangible force to get behind. But when its dysfunctional, confused, ineffective, you are asking a massive amount for fans to "heal" the club from their support alone. Its a great, thought provoking post!. Our leader did some of this! Lessons were learned, unfortunately, by slow learners or ones who just talk about it and do fuck all! City Chief Executive Tony Scholes said: “We are always looking at new ways to develop, both in the technical programme in terms of player and coach development and player recruitment and also in off-the-field matters, by looking to share knowledge and expertise with our peers wherever possible. We believe our partnership with St. Pauli will allow us to do both.
“Like us, St. Pauli are embedded in their local community and there will be things that, inevitably, both clubs do very similarly.
“However, St. Pauli have a different approach to the business of football that has earned them a cult following around the world and we’re keen to tap into their knowledge as much as they are keen to tap into ours.”
Aren't we partners with Orlando*, what have we learned from them regarding the 'customer experience'? *Or whatever they're called now. See Orlando City... We're pretending at being a football club we really are
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 15, 2019 3:26:38 GMT
I wonder. If the Chairman still has Tony Pulis number on his cell phone, and he's not able to take Middlesboro back to the promised land via the play-offs if the great maestro might be persuaded to return to try to throw back to the shadows for one last hurrah? Every last man Jack on their feet for his return. It's worth a go, dreams are made of things like this. If Jones fails by Xmas why not Fuck me I'd love to have been a fly on the wall with some of these work-shy flops and TP in full-on Towel Gate mode😁 😂 Me as well they wouldn't know what's hit them would they?? The pizza boys would be on borrowed time as well 😂
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 15, 2019 5:06:33 GMT
Naked Cheerleaders and free beer 🍺 Can we change that from free beer to decent beer I don’t mind paying for a good pint
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 15, 2019 5:45:59 GMT
If Jones fails by Xmas why not Fuck me I'd love to have been a fly on the wall with some of these work-shy flops and TP in full-on Towel Gate mode😁 😂 Me as well they wouldn't know what's hit them would they?? The pizza boys would be on borrowed time as well 😂 Really? They outlasted him, one played a major part in him going and they are still here. The myths around Toxic build up daily.
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