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Post by Goonie on Apr 11, 2019 18:08:43 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 11, 2019 18:09:17 GMT
He’ll be dead within two weeks.
“Suicide”.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 11, 2019 18:12:28 GMT
He’ll be dead within two weeks. “Suicide”. Like Kelly? |
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Post by felonious on Apr 11, 2019 18:13:30 GMT
He always maintained that the rape charge was fictitious to get him extradited to the USA and he may well be right. What are the chances of our lot not extraditing him to an unfair trial in the USA?
Hasn't Wikileaks been good for freedom of information and bad for the suppression of information? |
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Post by Absolution on Apr 11, 2019 18:17:38 GMT
This world gets stranger and shitter by the day. Everything's a web of lies and deceit. Just who are the good guys these days?
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Post by Roger Everyone on Apr 11, 2019 18:30:52 GMT
The fact he has stayed in the embassy for 7 years makes you think. The rape charge was dropped so he is just trying to avoid the good old USA.... 7 years in the embassy tells me he knows what will happen in the USA.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 11, 2019 18:37:10 GMT
Arresting journalists for telling the truth, and over-turning democratic votes. Nope, it's not North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China or even Russia. It's happening right here, right now.
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Post by felonious on Apr 11, 2019 18:39:57 GMT
This world gets stranger and shitter by the day. Everything's a web of lies and deceit. Just who are the good guys these days? Amazon, Apple and Google ?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47893082
They're not listening to people, they're hearing 
Is that a quote from 1984?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 11, 2019 18:45:23 GMT
He’ll be dead within two weeks. “Suicide”. Like Kelly? Honestly there’s better odds of Maddie showing up alive and well than there is of Assange living to see the end of April. He released footage of an American helicopter gunning down 18 people in Iraq, and the Americans apparently “Just want to know how he got the footage”. In the same way that I’m sure they just wanted to speak to the Japanese in Hiroshima in 1945. Dead man walking, and he knows it, that’s why he’s kept himself holed up all these years. |
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Post by Goonie on Apr 11, 2019 19:10:05 GMT
To be fair the whole wikileaks affair passed me by as I avoided the news for years (and was considerably happier as I recall) so I don't have any depth of knowledge
That said anyone who exposes lies and hypocrisy will be unpopular in this era of 'fake news' where truth is the first casualty with any regime
Is this symbolizing a crack down on the internet and so freedom of thought?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 11, 2019 19:14:51 GMT
To be fair the whole wikileaks affair passed me by as I avoided the news for years (and was considerably happier as I recall) so I don't have any depth of knowledge That said anyone who exposes lies and hypocrisy will be unpopular in this era of 'fake news' where truth is the first casualty with any regime Is this symbolizing a crack down on the internet and so freedom of thought? I don’t think it is in this instance, it’s just the Americans being all American and throwing a fit over someone airing their dirty laundry in public. |
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Post by Goonie on Apr 11, 2019 19:16:33 GMT
To be fair the whole wikileaks affair passed me by as I avoided the news for years (and was considerably happier as I recall) so I don't have any depth of knowledge That said anyone who exposes lies and hypocrisy will be unpopular in this era of 'fake news' where truth is the first casualty with any regime Is this symbolizing a crack down on the internet and so freedom of thought? I don’t think it is in this instance, it’s just the Americans being all American and throwing a fit over someone airing their dirty laundry in public. That seems an accurate assessment. He has embarrassed them and they need to set an example |
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 11, 2019 19:25:06 GMT
The fact he has stayed in the embassy for 7 years makes you think. The rape charge was dropped so he is just trying to avoid the good old USA.... 7 years in the embassy tells me he knows what will happen in the USA. Once we’ve left the EU our human rights will be much stronger |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 11, 2019 19:27:18 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 11, 2019 19:54:35 GMT
The fact he has stayed in the embassy for 7 years makes you think. The rape charge was dropped so he is just trying to avoid the good old USA.... 7 years in the embassy tells me he knows what will happen in the USA. Once we’ve left the EU our human rights will be much stronger Because of our wonderful politicians? |
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Post by Boothen on Apr 11, 2019 20:12:20 GMT
Fucker looked like one of those Japanese soldiers found living in a cave on a S. Pacific island a few decades after WWII ended.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2019 20:16:21 GMT
The criminals making it illegal to publish proof of their crimes. That's the world we live in today and let the record show that Theresa May celebrated a clearly sick man being dragged like a dog from an Embassy in Parliament earlier today.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 11, 2019 20:23:43 GMT
A difficult moral affair when state secrets may not be very honourable. It's difficult to argue with Abbot's point ( I think)
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 11, 2019 23:11:00 GMT
A difficult moral affair when state secrets may not be very honourable. It's difficult to argue with Abbot's point ( I think) No it really isn't hard to argue he was arrested for skipping bail on a rape charge. |
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Post by starkiller on Apr 12, 2019 1:47:48 GMT
Did he get chance to bang Pamela Anderson whilst in there?
I don't know what the arrangements were.
Fair play if he did. Especially now he looks like Uncle Albert.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 12, 2019 6:06:57 GMT
A difficult moral affair when state secrets may not be very honourable. It's difficult to argue with Abbot's point ( I think) No it really isn't hard to argue he was arrested for skipping bail on a rape charge. True. Unless that was only part of the plan to get him extradited. Probably not but unless you are in the know it seems like it's just guess work to me.Your point is still true though, strictly speaking. I still think that Abbott has a point about the moral dilemma of whistleblowing in some circumstances. Despite the fact that you are "protected" many organisations have ways to get back at you. It's not an easy thing to do, in some cases you are going against an accepted culture. The least consequence could be job losses in some organisations. And when against the government it is obviously risky. But then again he must have agreed to a secrecy condition. A moral dilemma. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 12, 2019 6:20:27 GMT
I think the Americans are concerned as to how he hacked into computers to get the info rather than what he exposed. In the cause of national security you can’t have people hacking willy nilly into highly secure data bases with impunity. This applies to any country and, in my opinion, Assange is using the exposure of US atrocities in Iraq as an excuse to hack into military secrets.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 12, 2019 6:32:43 GMT
I think the Americans are concerned as to how he hacked into computers to get the info rather than what he exposed. In the cause of national security you can’t have people hacking willy nilly into highly secure data bases with impunity. This applies to any country and, in my opinion, Assange is using the exposure of US atrocities in Iraq as an excuse to hack into military secrets. True Lawrie, but I don't think that the thing that he exposed, the killing of civilians ( apparently, who knows) seemed to be very good for America |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 12, 2019 6:39:18 GMT
A difficult moral affair when state secrets may not be very honourable. It's difficult to argue with Abbot's point ( I think) No it really isn't hard to argue he was arrested for skipping bail on a rape charge. FYD Sajid agrees with you here...but the comments in response to the tweet are interesting..... it's a difficult one in my opinion. In general you are in a difficult situation if your employer or your government , who you want to believe in , are doing things that don't seem right. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 12, 2019 7:06:25 GMT
I think the Americans are concerned as to how he hacked into computers to get the info rather than what he exposed. In the cause of national security you can’t have people hacking willy nilly into highly secure data bases with impunity. This applies to any country and, in my opinion, Assange is using the exposure of US atrocities in Iraq as an excuse to hack into military secrets. Assange didn't hack into anything. |
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 12, 2019 7:15:27 GMT
Once we’ve left the EU our human rights will be much stronger Because of our wonderful politicians? Funny thing is, our top Brexit civil servant Olly Robbins used to work for Theresa May when she was Home Sec. When the Guardian broke the ex CIA operative, Edward Snowden’s claims that CIA were watching all our communications Olly Robbins and his goons rocked up at their offices threatened them all with prison & took their computers... |
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 12, 2019 7:35:18 GMT
I think the Americans are concerned as to how he hacked into computers to get the info rather than what he exposed. In the cause of national security you can’t have people hacking willy nilly into highly secure data bases with impunity. This applies to any country and, in my opinion, Assange is using the exposure of US atrocities in Iraq as an excuse to hack into military secrets. Exactly Lawrie this is the same embarassing shit we saw from Labour over the novachuck attacks, sixth form foreign policy bollocks straight from stop the war. One other point not being picked up widely Assange who fed stuff to Putin, his lawyer is very good "friends" with Corbyn's chief of strategy and communications Seamus Milne who is a Putin fanboy himself and Milne tells Corbyn what to think and do. |
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 12, 2019 7:36:38 GMT
No it really isn't hard to argue he was arrested for skipping bail on a rape charge. FYD Sajid agrees with you here...but the comments in response to the tweet are interesting..... it's a difficult one in my opinion. In general you are in a difficult situation if your employer or your government , who you want to believe in , are doing things that don't seem right. BJR just goes to show that although Dianne's hairstyle has changed since the 80s she still holds the same views anti britain views that led her and Jezza to support the IRA. |
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Post by Davef on Apr 12, 2019 7:40:55 GMT
FYD Sajid agrees with you here...but the comments in response to the tweet are interesting..... it's a difficult one in my opinion. In general you are in a difficult situation if your employer or your government , who you want to believe in , are doing things that don't seem right. BJR just goes to show that although Dianne's hairstyle has changed since the 80s she still holds the same views anti britain views that led her and Jezza to support the IRA. Has Diane Abbott said that Assange shouldn't be prosecuted for skipping bail? |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Apr 12, 2019 8:59:17 GMT
I find the whole very troubling. On one hand the rape charge felt utterly dubious at the time it was made, and nothing has changed to suggest the charge was not spurious.
Making the assumption that the charge was politically motivated and untrue, I find Assange's motivation for seeking asylum to be justified; it's what I would have done in the circumstances. Skipping bail sealed his fate as it was always going to be a matter of time before Ecuador would succumb to pressure from the US to revoke his asylum.
The release of the Chelsea Manning data and the information from Snowdon was double edged as it put lives in danger and and probably cost some too. There is an argument that the release of the information was for the greater good and I fall on that side of the fence.
Where things get murky is where WikiLeaks are fed information by states to do specific harm to other state's interests and this for me is where I have a problem with Assange and WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks seem to bury their head in the sand when it comes to their decision making process on what to put out there, much in the same way that UKIP abdicated from the decision making process in the European Parliament by just saying "No" to everything. Just putting everything out there as long as it appears to be true, is irresponsible at best and this is where WikiLeaks differs from the main stream press.
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