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Post by wilfherman on Apr 10, 2019 5:54:17 GMT
Gets rid of Campbell despite him offering something, hooks Timon before half time, drops Man of the Match Verlinden and is hardly seen again, no sign of Sorensen after the one game. Not that great a record with the kiddies, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 6:01:11 GMT
Gets rid of Campbell despite him offering something, hooks Timon before half time, drops Man of the Match Verlinden and is hardly seen again, no sign of Sorensen after the one game. Not that great a record with the kiddies, is it? Sorensen has broke a bone in his foot.... |
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 10, 2019 6:23:55 GMT
You'd think he'd experiment now we are over that 50 point mark if this diamond is really what he wants to play then he should trial it for a couple of games and throw a few of the youngsters in too.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 10, 2019 6:26:36 GMT
Yeah it’s disgusting.
I mean our previous four managers didn’t play any of the youngsters at all, ever.
But yeah Jones, what a prick he is.
Time for a break from this fucking hormonal shit tip I think.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 6:55:16 GMT
Gets rid of Campbell despite him offering something, hooks Timon before half time, drops Man of the Match Verlinden and is hardly seen again, no sign of Sorensen after the one game. Not that great a record with the kiddies, is it? Compared to who, exactly? No Stoke manager has used more academy players in over a decade. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:02:11 GMT
Gets rid of Campbell despite him offering something, hooks Timon before half time, drops Man of the Match Verlinden and is hardly seen again, no sign of Sorensen after the one game. Not that great a record with the kiddies, is it? Sorensen has broke a bone in his foot.... That didn't happen straight after his sub, so the pattern described above is true. However compared to previous managers in this century Jones' "record" is probably 500% better, and, he did add Collins to that list, even though he probably had not planned to. His method seems to be to ease academy players in slowly, although it does seem to be overeasy and superslowly. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 10, 2019 7:02:13 GMT
To use Verlinden for just 19 minutes since he ripped it up against Reading is either poor judgement, rank bad management, cowardice or a combination of the three.
It certainly doesn't bode well for those massed ranks of empty red seats next season, that is for sure.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 10, 2019 7:03:51 GMT
Gets rid of Campbell despite him offering something, hooks Timon before half time, drops Man of the Match Verlinden and is hardly seen again, no sign of Sorensen after the one game. Not that great a record with the kiddies, is it? Thanks for telling me about Campbell - I didn't realise we had got rid of him. I'm so out of touch I thought we had loaned him out to a lower league club to get more game time than he would have done at Stoke this season - a bit like players like Defoe, Kane, Beckham, Shawcross, Lukaku and many many others have been loaned out to gain experience. Didn't seem to have done them any harm. But, if we got rid of him, that is absolutely digraceful - and I am unanimous in that!  |
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Post by wilfherman on Apr 10, 2019 7:12:43 GMT
Frank lampard and Graham potter seem to be able to manage their youngsters
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 7:15:55 GMT
Frank lampard and Graham potter seem to be able to manage their youngsters They had a full pre-season with their players. Lampard's standout youngsters mostly belong to other clubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:20:23 GMT
Bit of an odd thread the morning after the manager gave a debut to a 17 year old centre half.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 10, 2019 7:23:12 GMT
Gets rid of Campbell despite him offering something, hooks Timon before half time, drops Man of the Match Verlinden and is hardly seen again, no sign of Sorensen after the one game. Not that great a record with the kiddies, is it? Has it crossed you’re mind that they might not be good enough apart from Verlinden Even the one he’s used personally I don’t rate week after week people have praised Edwards the first time he comes across a decent winger he’s shown to be wanting He’s to slow to be a wing back I maybe old fashioned but I like a fullback to be able to defend Campbell has been sent out on loan for the simple reason to increase his game time and stamina as though showing glimpses of the required talent currently has the inability to last 90 mins He will not build his stamina with twenty minute cameos Tymon see Edwards above but with less ability Sorensen it has already been said he has a injury |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 7:25:02 GMT
Bit of an odd thread the morning after the manager gave a debut to a 17 year old centre half. It boggles the mind doesn't it, we go years and years and years with various managers treating the academy with the level of contempt most of us reserve for Michael Gove, then a bloke comes in and actually starts blooding young players and he's the reason we're not going to sell any season tickets. If Rowett was still here Verlinden would be making daisy chains in Bojan's hair on the under-23s training pitch. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 10, 2019 7:30:28 GMT
Bit of an odd thread the morning after the manager gave a debut to a 17 year old centre half. It boggles the mind doesn't it, we go years and years and years with various managers treating the academy with the level of contempt most of us reserve for Michael Gove, then a bloke comes in and actually starts blooding young players and he's the reason we're not going to sell any season tickets. If Rowett was still here Verlinden would be making daisy chains in Bojan's hair on the under-23s training pitch. Instead of cleaning Sam Clucas's boots and watching him shoe in any out of position washed up goon in his position, The whole Verlinden business is just utter bollocks, Rob and you know it. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 7:36:33 GMT
It boggles the mind doesn't it, we go years and years and years with various managers treating the academy with the level of contempt most of us reserve for Michael Gove, then a bloke comes in and actually starts blooding young players and he's the reason we're not going to sell any season tickets. If Rowett was still here Verlinden would be making daisy chains in Bojan's hair on the under-23s training pitch. Instead of cleaning Sam Clucas's boots and watching him shoe in any out of position washed up goon in his position, The whole Verlinden business is just utter bollocks, Rob and you know it. I'd have played him last night but I think people are overreacting enormously. He's the first manager to actually give him a go isn't he? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 10, 2019 7:39:14 GMT
Instead of cleaning Sam Clucas's boots and watching him shoe in any out of position washed up goon in his position, The whole Verlinden business is just utter bollocks, Rob and you know it. I'd have played him last night but I think people are overreacting enormously. He's the first manager to actually give him a go isn't he? Think he'd played in the cup under Hughes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:40:42 GMT
Bit of an odd thread the morning after the manager gave a debut to a 17 year old centre half. It boggles the mind doesn't it, we go years and years and years with various managers treating the academy with the level of contempt most of us reserve for Michael Gove, then a bloke comes in and actually starts blooding young players and he's the reason we're not going to sell any season tickets. If Rowett was still here Verlinden would be making daisy chains in Bojan's hair on the under-23s training pitch. I think we all know that certain battle lines have been drawn a long time ago with regards to this manager. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 7:45:56 GMT
I'd have played him last night but I think people are overreacting enormously. He's the first manager to actually give him a go isn't he? Think he'd played in the cup under Hughes. 20 minutes against dead and buried Rochdale to then never be seen again is hardly the same thing though is it mate? It was the kind of tokenism that he also showed to N'Goy and Shenton and Pulis showed to the likes of Moult. Neither was really interested in the academy. It's a world apart from chucking them in from the start in the league. |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 10, 2019 7:48:00 GMT
I think it’s fair to say any manager will use a youngster if they think they are good enough - why wouldn’t they?
The problem probably lies within the quality of player that our Academy is producing.
I’m sure Jones , who is thrashing about with team selection as much as the previous two managers , would happily play any youngster if they were of sufficient quality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:49:25 GMT
It boggles the mind doesn't it, we go years and years and years with various managers treating the academy with the level of contempt most of us reserve for Michael Gove, then a bloke comes in and actually starts blooding young players and he's the reason we're not going to sell any season tickets. If Rowett was still here Verlinden would be making daisy chains in Bojan's hair on the under-23s training pitch. I think we all know that certain battle lines have been drawn a long time ago with regards to this manager. It’s weird how early people were, and are, nailing their colours to the mast so early one way or the other re. Jones. It’s like they’re craving to be proven right and that they’re some kind of oracle. It’s just, well, odd. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 10, 2019 7:50:32 GMT
I've said before that a team needs a strong framework for youngsters to do well. Last night proved that as yet we don't have that.
Not many teams play several teenagers. Daniel James is 21. I think I'm right in saying that Derby's young players are in their 20s and three of them are loan players from Chelsea and Liverpool so hardly investments for Derby's future.
Hasn't Campbell been dropped from Shrewsbury's starting eleven? Hardly suggests he'd have held down his place at Stoke.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 7:51:32 GMT
I think it’s fair to say any manager will use a youngster if they think they are good enough - why wouldn’t they? The problem probably lies within the quality of player that our Academy is producing. I’m sure Jones , who is thrashing about with team selection as much as the previous two managers , would happily play any youngster if they were of sufficient quality. I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Young players take time to develop and represent risk. They’ll make mistakes. A lot of managers have no time for that. They want the finished article. Pulis had no time for youngsters, are we saying nowhere he’s worked in 30 years has had any kind of decent youth system? Likewise Hughes. Mourinho too. Redknapp is another. It’s a mindset. |
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Post by Absolution on Apr 10, 2019 8:01:42 GMT
Anyone believing that Jones can just stick a load of youngsters in the team and we'll all just accept the defeats that accompany it is off their rocker. We lose one game and there are calls for his head. It's utterly mental.
No manager at any level can afford to ignore results, because neither the supporters or the clubs directors will.
Jones wants to build a winning mentality and to this end, desperately wants to go into next season with the whole club in a positive mood.
He'll play the youngsters as and when he sees fit. I'd have played Verlinden, but so what? I couldn't have done what Jones did at Luton, so I'll have to suck up any difference in opinion on this occasion based on our respective track records in football club management.
I still think we'll see more youngsters being given a genuine chance under Jones than we have since Mills was in charge.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 10, 2019 8:02:38 GMT
I think it’s fair to say any manager will use a youngster if they think they are good enough - why wouldn’t they? The problem probably lies within the quality of player that our Academy is producing. I’m sure Jones , who is thrashing about with team selection as much as the previous two managers , would happily play any youngster if they were of sufficient quality. I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Young players take time to develop and represent risk. They’ll make mistakes. A lot of managers have no time for that. They want the finished article. Pulis had no time for youngsters, are we saying nowhere he’s worked in 30 years has had any kind of decent youth system? Likewise Hughes. Mourinho too. Redknapp is another. It’s a mindset. To a degree I agree - Lambert and Rowett though were under such immediate pressure they needed instant results. Jones has more leeway than either I suppose so he has slightly less excuse but I still reckon he is fastidious enough to have watched all the youngsters and formed and opinion if they could make any sort of significant contribution or if our current first team set up would just damage their development. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 10, 2019 8:03:56 GMT
Pressure means managers often daren't take a risk by blooding youth. Joneso is in an ideal situation to do so now as we are all about building and aren't going down or up.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 8:12:34 GMT
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Young players take time to develop and represent risk. They’ll make mistakes. A lot of managers have no time for that. They want the finished article. Pulis had no time for youngsters, are we saying nowhere he’s worked in 30 years has had any kind of decent youth system? Likewise Hughes. Mourinho too. Redknapp is another. It’s a mindset. To a degree I agree - Lambert and Rowett though were under such immediate pressure they needed instant results. Jones has more leeway than either I suppose so he has slightly less excuse but I still reckon he is fastidious enough to have watched all the youngsters and formed and opinion if they could make any sort of significant contribution or if our current first team set up would just damage their development. I think that’s mostly fair. Lambert I think would have integrated more of them. Rowett I doubt would have. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 10, 2019 10:30:57 GMT
Campbell - is doing well at Shrewsbury and getting valuable minutes which he wouldn't neccesarily get here.
Verlinden - made his league debut under Jones.
Edwards - finally our undisputed first choice right back
Tymon - actually got minutes, not that good anyway (yet)
Sorensen - got minutes
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 10, 2019 10:36:53 GMT
With nothing to play for I would give Collins another go on Saturday for sure Was impressed with his cameo
The one I dont get is Verlinden He looks a promise and yet even with Ince out he plays Afobe out wide - bonkers stuff
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2019 12:04:42 GMT
Gets rid of Campbell despite him offering something, hooks Timon before half time, drops Man of the Match Verlinden and is hardly seen again, no sign of Sorensen after the one game. Not that great a record with the kiddies, is it? The evidence suggests otherwise. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 10, 2019 12:25:53 GMT
With nothing to play for I would give Collins another go on Saturday for sure Was impressed with his cameo The one I dont get is Verlinden He looks a promise and yet even with Ince out he plays Afobe out wide - bonkers stuff It's both bonkers and worrying regarding his mindset. |
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