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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 13, 2019 16:33:02 GMT
We might be a work in progress, but the progress is really hard to see. For the two last games we have been really awful and we have a very negative approach to the games as well. Even at 2-0 up today it was hardly deserved as Rotherham dominated completely for the first 25 minutes. Then we suddenly scored two, but our second half was really terrible to watch. We look uninventive, slow and always seem to look for a backwards pass first. I must be honest and say that this is actually no better than under Rowett at the moment. I really can't understand why we lined up as we did today, four centre backs and no creativity. Really dreadful to be honest.
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Post by songthrush01 on Apr 13, 2019 17:05:36 GMT
He will always draw defenders/defensive midfielders' attention to him, so when he goes off, one or more of those players can offer more going forward. And they have. Plus even on a bad day, he can still conjure up something when you least expect it. Again, he achieved none of that first half so why would we have hope he'd have managed it if he'd stayed on? Like i said, i'm not slating Bojan or saying he was any worse than the rest but this pathetic insistence that if we lose it's because Bojan didn't play, or if he does play and then we play badly then we'll suddenly re-write the game completely and pretend we only played badly after he went off is just teenage bollocks. He didn't influence the game in any way today, neither did anyone else. In short they were ALL largely shit including Bojan. Him going off didn't effect our attack (apart from 1 minute in the first half, we didn't seem to have an attack at all) and it most certainly didn't effect our defence. He wasn't drawing defenders away from anyone today, he was bloody anonymous (like pretty much everyone else). He had a very mediocre game at best (like the rest). It is allowed to actually say that about Bojan isn't it? You know, the truth rather than spun shit people make up simply because they feel some need to absolve him of any of the criticism that the rest of the team are seemingly completely justified in getting? The team were shit today, Bojan included. The Bojan groupies are starting to sound more and more like fucking Trump supporters by the day! Try being football fans rather than teenagers with a crush your sounding more like theresa may.
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Post by Goonie on Apr 13, 2019 17:06:08 GMT
MASSIVE SUMMER REQUIRED!
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Post by Goonie on Apr 13, 2019 17:08:41 GMT
Stoke Away Team Rotherham Possession Home 53% Away 47% Shots Home 4 Away16 Shots on Target Home 3 Away 7 Corners Home 4 Away 8 Fouls Home 9 Away 12
Truly shocking stats
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 13, 2019 17:09:04 GMT
We had one last summer, 11 players in. Shall we have one every summer until we get a manager who can do it properly.
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 13, 2019 17:11:01 GMT
Well another poor day at the office. Overrun in midfield by the mighty Rotherham. Etebo and Allen taking an age to control the ball and play a telling pass. IMHO these two are vastly overrated and week after week are outplayed by players you have never heard of. Mr Jones it seems could not get a tune out of a Stradivarius and he wasn't playing for Rotherham today but it seems he is on the fiddle. Sooner the season ends the better not looking forward to next season either. We have so many lame ducks and non players.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 13, 2019 17:12:11 GMT
It's easy to keep blaming manager after manager. The common denominator is the same players and their attitude. The earn far too much money far too easily. It gives them the wrong attitude and it shows
We all recognise that the solution is a big clear out, I am sure that Nathan does and its to be hoped the owners do.
A full transfer window (Probably two or three in reality) and a full pre-season and then it is down to Nathan and his tactics. At present he is stuck with what we have and at least has stopped us losing each week.
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Post by stubbo1 on Apr 13, 2019 17:33:47 GMT
For the first time In 52 years of being a supporter I literally don’t have a favourite player (if I’m pushed have to be Ryan). I don’t want a single one of them pulling on the shirt ever again.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 13, 2019 17:59:50 GMT
I still think we should be playing 3-5-2 with these players.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 13, 2019 18:07:20 GMT
Truly shite management there. The second he took Bojan off he removed any control we had over the game, made our play inevitably scrappy & invited them on. Not saying Boj was tearing it up by any stretch, but the way he effortlessly keeps the ball, recycles possession & links the play up between defence and the forwards is fundamental to our performance. Him getting hooked brought us down to their scrappy level, and is the first time I'm thoroughly fucked off with Nathan. Rank lower league management and unsurprisingly saw us lose any foothold we had in the game. If Nathan can't see that he will not succeed at this club. He and Rowett are cut from the same cloth and whoever took their coaching courses wants shooting. He is just an excitable little welshman who does not gee up his team to get at the opposition. I do hope he is not given another go next season because he is not up to the job and it is a big job for a top manager.We have so many players not suitable for the job in hand either. There is no pace and no creativity (Bo excepted) and the strike force is pathetic, the defence is too old and slow but for Edwards and we will be stuck in the lower divisions for many years unless the club is cleared out from top to bottom. Someone is going to need to spend massively (or risk youngsters) and rip up/pay up some contracts. I forsee the club being up for sale before too long.
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Post by Goonie on Apr 13, 2019 19:28:36 GMT
We had one last summer, 11 players in. Shall we have one every summer until we get a manager who can do it properly. It's the only way As it seems to work Haha 🤣😁
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Post by The man from Utch on Apr 13, 2019 19:49:23 GMT
I don't know too much about managing a football club. What i do know is, towards the end of the season when you play teams dependent on points to stay up, which obviously Rotherham are, you plan accordingly. I am 100% behind Jones but he obviously did not take into consideration the spirit of a team fighting to stay up, and had no plan to thwart it. Dissapointed in him tonight.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 13, 2019 21:51:41 GMT
I don't know too much about managing a football club. What i do know is, towards the end of the season when you play teams dependent on points to stay up, which obviously Rotherham are, you plan accordingly. I am 100% behind Jones but he obviously did not take into consideration the spirit of a team fighting to stay up, and had no plan to thwart it. Dissapointed in him tonight. Good point re: a relegation battling side and the importance of spirit etc. as you're right, they can be proper nightmare teams to play. However, that's kinda the problem. What we saw today wasn't a battling side who just about outdid us in terms of spirit because of their plight. It was a team full of spirit, a team ethic and desire against a side that had literally none of all three. As Hackett rightly alludes to, the complete lack of team spirit is something Jones simply HAS to sort. It's all well and good pointing out (validly) that most aren't his players and he hasn't spent 50mill etc. like Rowett......BUT plenty of people had already been very public about certain players not being good "team players" and bad attitudes etc. before Jones came. It wasn't a secret, so it was one of the many known factors and managerial responsibilities he was basically saying he felt he was good enough to be able to manage and sort by signing his contract with us. I agree he can't sort out the actual footballing style in the way he wants to just yet due to the..ahem.. "players" (used in it's loosest sense nowadays) he's inherited, but i think many would find it easier to have more patience with him if he at least got some fight, passion, desire back into something that actually resembled a "Team". It's basically the old parents thing when you see your kid's school report: "As long as you work hard and try your best, that's all we can ask for". He can't use the "They're not my players" excuse for that. Every manager in the world inherits someone else's team when they first sign, they all have to instill a team spirit into what they have when they arrive. It's one thing that is essential happens bloody well asap, he is responsible for and (unlike recruitment) isn't something we should have to wait until the summer for.
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Post by george2again on Apr 13, 2019 21:52:04 GMT
Posted this on page 4 , just before kick off. Its just so predictable !
This manager has clearly got selection issues and like many others over thinks situations and stays loyal to those who should be not there. He clearly can't fully motivate this lot as well. My honest opinion is he is out of his depth and will be gone by Christmas. Nice bit of negativity before the game but he is showing he has nothing in his managerial locker to change things. The football is as bad as ever and while we have been tighter at the back were have been worse up top. Any decent manager would have had some type of impact by now, but nothing but cheap talk. My own opinion of course , but those hoping that a full pre-season and own personnel will change things around , I fear will be pie in the sky. Been pretty much a disaster up till now.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Apr 13, 2019 22:16:00 GMT
52 points eh? We’re on track for our highest points total in a decade!!!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 13, 2019 22:52:11 GMT
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Post by boothenender on Apr 14, 2019 9:14:40 GMT
After the second half collapse against a battling Rotherham it just goes to prove what a huge task Nathan Jones has on his hands. I have said it many times before that Nat Jones has inherited an rotting pile of horse manure. He will need at last two transfer windows to get rid of the cancer that has infected our club. The problem rests at the feet of Scholes and Carthorse. We must not start hounding out another Manager. We need a bit of stability at the club. Nat Jones will deliver us a great team once he has removed the lazy wasters from the squad. We need a few grafters, one or two cloggers and a few goal scorers and we will have a team to be proud of once again. Next season is about rebuild, this season is about assessing the squad and surviving relegation. Nathan Jones will succeed given time. Just give him time to produce a team that delivers a decent return on Peter Coates' investment. I like many other Stokies can not aait for the season to end and the total refurb of the squad to begin. I for one will loose no tears if all the squad was sold and none of them ever returned to the home of Stoke City ever again. This squad are totally devoid of any loyalty or professional self pride.
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Post by hanibal7 on Apr 14, 2019 9:18:14 GMT
After the second half collapse against a battling Rotherham it just goes to prove what a huge task Nathan Jones has on his hands. I have said it many times before that Nat Jones has inherited an rotting pile of horse manure. He will need at last two transfer windows to get rid of the cancer that has infected our club. The problem rests at the feet of Scholes and Carthorse. We must not start hounding out another Manager. We need a bit of stability at the club. Nat Jones will deliver us a great team once he has removed the lazy wasters from the squad. We need a few grafters, one or two cloggers and a few goal scorers and we will have a team to be proud of once again. Next season is about rebuild, this season is about assessing the squad and surviving relegation. Nathan Jones will succeed given time. Just give him time to produce a team that delivers a decent return on Peter Coates' investment. I like many other Stokies can not aait for the season to end and the total refurb of the squad to begin. I for one will loose no tears if all the squad was sold and none of them ever returned to the home of Stoke City ever again. This squad are totally devoid of any loyalty or professional self pride. Horse manure
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Post by sheds1862 on Apr 14, 2019 9:57:47 GMT
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