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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 13, 2019 16:04:55 GMT
Yet the answer according to some is to change the manager yet again. It's the easy cop-out when nobody knows what to do! Not true. We all know the answer, the vin needs to move in a different direction from the board down. That starts with CEO and runs through recruitment strategy and ends with the manager, all in sync. That is the solution, Nathan is just making himself look like a fool
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Post by tony1234 on Apr 13, 2019 16:04:58 GMT
I reckon we only need to shift these 18 - Ryan, BMI, Williams, Clucas, Woods, Maclean, Pieters, Fletcher, Adam, Afobe, Bojan, N'Diaye, Wimmer, Imbula, Beharinho, Tymon, N'Goy, Campbell. (Joe and Jack will inevitably leave). So, 15+ signings needed over summer. Nathan might have his christian values, but shifting 15 is the equivalent to raising of Lazarus Thinking more like 18-20.
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Post by musik on Apr 13, 2019 16:05:32 GMT
I reckon we only need to shift these 18 - Ryan, BMI, Williams, Clucas, Woods, Maclean, Pieters, Fletcher, Adam, Afobe, Bojan, N'Diaye, Wimmer, Imbula, Beharinho, Tymon, N'Goy, Campbell. (Joe and Jack will inevitably leave). So, 15+ signings needed over summer. Yes, but 2-3 ins & 2-3 outs are realistic.
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Post by LankyPotter on Apr 13, 2019 16:05:39 GMT
I hate football.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 13, 2019 16:06:16 GMT
He will always draw defenders/defensive midfielders' attention to him, so when he goes off, one or more of those players can offer more going forward. And they have. Plus even on a bad day, he can still conjure up something when you least expect it. The team were shit today, Bojan included Indeed. Shit tactics again, no team spirit. Who's that down to?
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Post by questionable on Apr 13, 2019 16:06:58 GMT
Obviously Jones needs a few transfer windows to get his own team and style of play, oh and yes 20 committed players.......
Give your a head wobble Jones, biggest charlatan since Rowett and completely out of his depth, totally out thought today, their substitutions completely hammered him.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 13, 2019 16:07:05 GMT
I actually can’t remember a shot in the second half. Just no attacking threat anywhere. Weren’t much better at the back either. According to the HT and FT stats, we didn't have one in the entire 2nd half. FT stats: Stoke - v - RUFC 4 - Shots - 15 3 - Shots on target - 7 77% - Pass Success % - 71% 50% - Aerial Duel Success - 49% 3 - Dribbles won - 5 13 - Tackles - 12 54% - Possession - 46% HT stats (for those who like that sort of thing): Stoke - v - RUFC 4 - Shots - 4 3 - Shots on target - 1 77% - Pass Success % - 69% 52% - Aerial Duel Success - 48% 1 - Dribbles won - 2 4 - Tackles - 8 57% - Possession - 43% That is incredible.
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Post by southernish on Apr 13, 2019 16:07:43 GMT
I don't get why he takes Bojan off when we're winning. Is it fatigue?
Either way, it has screwed us out of multiple points now in only the past few weeks.
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 13, 2019 16:08:40 GMT
He will always draw defenders/defensive midfielders' attention to him, so when he goes off, one or more of those players can offer more going forward. And they have. Plus even on a bad day, he can still conjure up something when you least expect it. Again, he achieved none of that first half so why would we have hope he'd have managed it if he'd stayed on? Like i said, i'm not slating Bojan or saying he was any worse than the rest but this pathetic insistence that if we lose it's because Bojan didn't play, or if he does play and then we play badly then we'll suddenly re-write the game completely and pretend we only played badly after he went off is just teenage bollocks. He didn't influence the game in any way today, neither did anyone else. In short they were ALL largely shit including Bojan. Him going off didn't effect our attack (apart from 1 minute in the first half we didn't have one) and it most ceetainly didn't effect our defence. He had a very mediocre game at best (like the rest). It is allowed to actually say that about Bojan isn't it? You know, the truth rather than spun shit people make up simply because they feel some need to absolve him of any of the criticism that the rest of the team are seemingly completely justified in getting? The team were shit today, Bojan included. The Bojan groupies are starting to sound more and more like fucking Trump supporters by the day! Try being football fans rather than teenagers with a crush Fundamentally disagree. Bojan was by no means ripping it apart nor creating chance after chance, but the one thing he did do was keep the ball, provide a link between the midfield and forwards. The second Afobe came on, the control of the game we showed for the last 20 of the first half was thrown away. We inevitably became scrappy as we couldn't play through the thirds, and therefore invited pressure on. This isn't about Bojan groupies, its about understanding football & seeing what is obviously in front of you. We were shit today, but after the 2 goals we were in control and could keep the ball. Hooking Bojan, reducing the numbers in midfield & bringing on Afobe cost us the game. Its that simple im afraid.
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Apr 13, 2019 16:09:16 GMT
Before you all moan about the bojan sub, he hasnt got the fkn bottle its as plain as day
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Post by sheds1862 on Apr 13, 2019 16:09:28 GMT
On a positive note in just 4 days we have more than halved the shots against.
33 Tuesday 15 Today
Well done lads and management Steady progress
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Post by thevoid on Apr 13, 2019 16:09:43 GMT
In the last two games, the opposition have had 47 shots.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 13, 2019 16:09:46 GMT
The team were shit today, Bojan included Indeed. Shit tactics again, no team spirit. Who's that down to? Jones largely for tactics, the players for the shit they came out with on the pitch. Even if players aren't used to/happy with a system they're asked to play then they should still manage better than that crap they just showed. They're professional footballers ffs, not part timers who don't know the basics of their jobs!! Simples
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 13, 2019 16:10:04 GMT
Why under any other management would we say 'it looks like he's list the dressing room' (or even that he never had it), so what is the point in sticking if we won't be able to overhaul in the summer anyway?? I mean, in any other scenario we would be saying it. The management aren't good enough.
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 13, 2019 16:11:42 GMT
In the last two games, the opposition have had 46 shots. That is staggering. And how many for? 7???? Unbelievable.
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Post by stokie1954 on Apr 13, 2019 16:11:48 GMT
Well, according to Jones in his comments post Swansea, he reckoned Swansea were a very good side and were difficult to play against. They the get walloped at QPR for fuck sake. Some of his comments worry me. Nothing but excuses and strange standards. League 1 or 2 manager at best!!.
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Post by stokie1947 on Apr 13, 2019 16:12:33 GMT
i can't see any hope for next season how we have fallen from 3 years ago
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 16:12:45 GMT
He will always draw defenders/defensive midfielders' attention to him, so when he goes off, one or more of those players can offer more going forward. And they have. Plus even on a bad day, he can still conjure up something when you least expect it. Again, he achieved none of that first half so why would we have hope he'd have managed it if he'd stayed on? Because he can do it. Very simple. With Bojan there's always hope, although he does need a few team mates to be up for it. Today Etebo, his twin in football thought, and Allen were grossly overworked, as there was very little initiative and support from the fullbacks we forgot to play with.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 13, 2019 16:12:50 GMT
Again, he achieved none of that first half so why would we have hope he'd have managed it if he'd stayed on? Like i said, i'm not slating Bojan or saying he was any worse than the rest but this pathetic insistence that if we lose it's because Bojan didn't play, or if he does play and then we play badly then we'll suddenly re-write the game completely and pretend we only played badly after he went off is just teenage bollocks. He didn't influence the game in any way today, neither did anyone else. In short they were ALL largely shit including Bojan. Him going off didn't effect our attack (apart from 1 minute in the first half we didn't have one) and it most ceetainly didn't effect our defence. He had a very mediocre game at best (like the rest). It is allowed to actually say that about Bojan isn't it? You know, the truth rather than spun shit people make up simply because they feel some need to absolve him of any of the criticism that the rest of the team are seemingly completely justified in getting? The team were shit today, Bojan included. The Bojan groupies are starting to sound more and more like fucking Trump supporters by the day! Try being football fans rather than teenagers with a crush Fundamentally disagree. Bojan was by no means ripping it apart nor creating chance after chance, but the one thing he did do was keep the ball, provide a link between the midfield and forwards. The second Afobe came on, the control of the game we showed for the last 20 of the first half was thrown away. We inevitably became scrappy as we couldn't play through the thirds, and therefore invited pressure on. This isn't about Bojan groupies, its about understanding football & seeing what is obviously in front of you. We were shit today, but after the 2 goals we were in control and could keep the ball. Hooking Bojan, reducing the numbers in midfield & bringing on Afobe cost us the game. Its that simple im afraid. In control? What fucking game were you watching? We were never in control when he was on or off the pitch. Maybe you need to re-watch it so you can see what was "obviously in front of you"
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 13, 2019 16:13:04 GMT
Indeed. Shit tactics again, no team spirit. Who's that down to? Jones largely for tactics, the players for the shit they came out with on the pitch. Even if players aren't used to/happy with a system they're asked to play then they should still manage better than that crap they just showed. They're professional footballers ffs, not part timers who don't know the basics of their jobs!! Simples If players don't buy into what you're trying to do tactically then you're screwed. May as well kept Lambert.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 16:17:04 GMT
In the last two games, the opposition have had 47 shots. That sounds like it's a great credit to our defensive then that the opposition only scored 5/47. Though somehow I get the feeling that isn't what you're efter...
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Post by riponstokie on Apr 13, 2019 16:18:44 GMT
Fundamentally disagree. Bojan was by no means ripping it apart nor creating chance after chance, but the one thing he did do was keep the ball, provide a link between the midfield and forwards. The second Afobe came on, the control of the game we showed for the last 20 of the first half was thrown away. We inevitably became scrappy as we couldn't play through the thirds, and therefore invited pressure on. This isn't about Bojan groupies, its about understanding football & seeing what is obviously in front of you. We were shit today, but after the 2 goals we were in control and could keep the ball. Hooking Bojan, reducing the numbers in midfield & bringing on Afobe cost us the game. Its that simple im afraid. In control? What fucking game were you watching? We were never in control when he was on or off the pitch. Maybe you need to re-watch it so you can see what was "obviously in front of you" If you re-read my original post & see what is obviously in front of you, you would see that I said we were in control after the 2 goals, for the remainder of the 1st half - which we were. They completely dropped off us and we looked in cruise control, but second half we started slowly, made the sub and invited pressure on.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 13, 2019 16:19:31 GMT
Again, he achieved none of that first half so why would we have hope he'd have managed it if he'd stayed on? Because he can do it. Very simple. With Bojan there's always hope, although he does need a few team mates to be up for it. Today Etebo, his twin in football thought, and Allen were grossly overworked, as there was very little initiative and support from the fullbacks we forgot to play with. So, if you're saying he needs players around him to be "up for it" and they couldn't be today due to being overworked, then what you're actually doing is stating a very good case for why he should have been brought off when he was. Or are you saying that in the Championship we can afford a player to play 90 mins every week purely because every few weeks he MAY pull off a piece of magic? The whole team were shit including Bojan. Why is allowed to say how bad everyone else was but lumping Bojan in with that is somehow heresy? It really is pathetic! If he plays well i will (and have) say it happily. I don't hate the bloke (and can people please stop this "If you don't worship him them you MUST hate him" bollocks please...some of us are grown ups who simply judge players based on what they do/don't do that week and aren't into sucking a player's ringpiece regardless of how he plays) and am happy for ANY player to play if they do well but this refusal to accept that he can ever be just as bad as the rest were, or to desperately find excuses as to why it's someone else's fault if he's average is just teenage fanclub bullshit.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 13, 2019 16:20:18 GMT
Can anyone really defend that?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 13, 2019 16:20:29 GMT
Jones largely for tactics, the players for the shit they came out with on the pitch. Even if players aren't used to/happy with a system they're asked to play then they should still manage better than that crap they just showed. They're professional footballers ffs, not part timers who don't know the basics of their jobs!! Simples If players don't buy into what you're trying to do tactically then you're screwed. May as well kept Lambert. Agreed. Has nothing to do with my original point that you quoted however but hey ho
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Post by barnscfc1 on Apr 13, 2019 16:21:30 GMT
Absolutely dross team and awful football
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Post by musik on Apr 13, 2019 16:23:08 GMT
In the last two games, the opposition have had 47 shots. That sounds like it's a great credit to our defensive then that the opposition only scored 5/47. Though somehow I get the feeling that isn't what you're efter... It shows our midfield isn't good enough.
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Post by stokemark on Apr 13, 2019 16:27:18 GMT
Jones is no better than Rowett - neither are bad managers but equally neither are good enough to get us where we need t be
I maintain that until there is a root and branch change from the top to bottom nothing is going to change
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 13, 2019 16:28:10 GMT
Jones starts to sound like Rowett, shocker! 😁
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Post by Goonie on Apr 13, 2019 16:29:11 GMT
Woe, just woe
Drawing once more snatched from the jaws of victory
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