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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 7, 2019 0:24:06 GMT
This has to be allowed starting from next season, the new corner all the way up to the away fans, this would 100% increase the atmosphere and I think it will also bring a good feeling around the place
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 7, 2019 0:33:51 GMT
It's highly unlikely.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 7, 2019 7:11:57 GMT
Won't happen.
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Post by stick7 on Apr 7, 2019 9:08:48 GMT
I think it will happen eventually.Spurs new ground for example have got rail seats installed for home and away fans.Of course we still need the legislation to change to legally let fans stand but think it's definitely getting closer.There is quite a few Prem / Championship clubs looking to get this now like the Manchester club's, Everton's new ground,West Ham to name but a few.At the end of the day there's a fair percentage of fans that stand home and away week in week out unofficial now anyway so this idea would only make things safer.As for Stoke I think it will be a while until we get an official safe standing area even if it did get legalised unfortunately.
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Post by kelw on Apr 8, 2019 4:36:18 GMT
This has to be allowed starting from next season, the new corner all the way up to the away fans, this would 100% increase the atmosphere and I think it will also bring a good feeling around the place Simply isn't happening. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 8, 2019 7:15:38 GMT
This has to be allowed starting from next season, the new corner all the way up to the away fans, this would 100% increase the atmosphere and I think it will also bring a good feeling around the place I'd love to see standing but I'm not sure what you are proposing? That the club/police/stewards just say it's fine to stand in the seated new corner? I can't see that for safety reasons. Or that the club tear out the seats they just put in the new corner and replace them with a proper safe standing area? I can't see that either, most of them are hardly used, it's a white elephant as it is. Maybe it's the way to rescue it but it would be at the expense of further emptying other parts of the ground. I suppose in the end the problem now is we have more seats than people. |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Apr 8, 2019 7:36:43 GMT
Its not 'allowed' but the rule of no standing isn't enforced at all at stoke. If people want to stand then they could
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 8, 2019 8:42:54 GMT
The question isn't whether standing should be 'allowed' because it already happens..especially at away games.
The question is..Should it be safe standing?
Or do we allow the current situation to end up in someone being injured?
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 8, 2019 10:07:39 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Where there are seats people should be made to sit. I have no problem with clubs offering standing areas if they are deemed safe. I will not be going into them! Why on earth would standing up improve the atmosphere?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 8, 2019 10:25:33 GMT
I think it will happen eventually.Spurs new ground for example have got rail seats installed for home and away fans.Of course we still need the legislation to change to legally let fans stand but think it's definitely getting closer.There is quite a few Prem / Championship clubs looking to get this now like the Manchester club's, Everton's new ground,West Ham to name but a few.At the end of the day there's a fair percentage of fans that stand home and away week in week out unofficial now anyway so this idea would only make things safer.As for Stoke I think it will be a while until we get an official safe standing area even if it did get legalised unfortunately. You are basically right. The Government have commissioned a review of the current legislation which has reported but it hasn't been published yet. We remain very confident that common sense will prevail and the law will change, although I wouldn't like to put a timescale on it and it certainly won't be for the start of next season. In practice of course safety officers have largely given up on trying to enforce sitting, as we see at every Stoke away game. That is sensible from both a safety and a public order perspective, but it doesn't help those who either cannot or don't want to stand and have their view blocked by standers, which is a serious customer care issue. The answer of course is to have standing areas where those who want to, can stand is safety, and sitting areas where those who don't can sit without having their view blocked by people standing in front of them. An interesting debate is what should be the numerical breakdown between such areas ? 15-20 % standing would be my personal overall guess, with more in away areas than home areas, but that is only a guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 10:33:00 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Where there are seats people should be made to sit. I have no problem with clubs offering standing areas if they are deemed safe. I will not be going into them! Why on earth would standing up improve the atmosphere? I’m in the (just about) under 30 post-Hillsborough generation, so the few times I’ve stood on terracing have been huge novelties. I can tell you now, the best atmosphere I’ve experienced by a country mile is the now sadly demolished Ninian Park. |
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Post by tijuanabrass on Apr 8, 2019 10:38:44 GMT
It’s sad to think that there are adult Stokies, men and women of voting age that have never stood on a terrace at a home gMe.
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Post by mrred on Apr 8, 2019 11:03:25 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Try being 6ft3. Have to be a fucking contortionist to get in the ones in the new corner. I agree that standing doesn't necessarily equate to a better atmosphere (see example below), there's just the expectation that because you stand for away matches, it'll be the same. It's always puzzled me though, if you look at a lot of grounds these days, the home end will be standing. Chelsea and Arsenal are ones that stick in my memory, any time the camera pans across or a corner is being taken, pretty much all the people in the stand are stood up. |
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Post by mr on Apr 8, 2019 11:26:57 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Try being 6ft3. Have to be a fucking contortionist to get in the ones in the new corner. I agree that standing doesn't necessarily equate to a better atmosphere (see example below), there's just the expectation that because you stand for away matches, it'll be the same. It's always puzzled me though, if you look at a lot of grounds these days, the home end will be standing. Chelsea and Arsenal are ones that stick in my memory, any time the camera pans across or a corner is being taken, pretty much all the people in the stand are stood up. Exactly this, I wouldn't mind sitting if it was comfortable but having a plastic seat digging into me for over an hour isn't great. I spend the 30 minutes before kick off hoping that someone will sit in front of me to save my bloody knees. |
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Post by skemstokie on Apr 8, 2019 11:47:00 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Where there are seats people should be made to sit. I have no problem with clubs offering standing areas if they are deemed safe. I will not be going into them! Why on earth would standing up improve the atmosphere? And puts of people who cannot stand for 2 hours for health reasons or are of short stature from attending? Myself and wife fall into this category  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 12:14:11 GMT
It’s sad to think that there are adult Stokies, men and women of voting age that have never stood on a terrace at a home gMe. As mentioned in my previous post I'm pushing 30 now, so my days of youth are dwindling. I never stood at the vic as I was very young and went there with my nan. I suppose the prime years for standing on terraces would be your late teens and 20s, and when I was a teenager I was convinced we'd have standing back within 5 years. It's now 15 years since those predictions and we're still struggling for it. Even if/when it does return I'll be well into my 30s at best. Can't help but feel somehow culturally robbed because it's more than apparent that the terraces were the scapegoat that got sacrificed for the criminal (some might say murderous) failings of the authorities. |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 8, 2019 14:13:17 GMT
It’s sad to think that there are adult Stokies, men and women of voting age that have never stood on a terrace at a home gMe. As mentioned in my previous post I'm pushing 30 now, so my days of youth are dwindling. I never stood at the vic as I was very young and went there with my nan. I suppose the prime years for standing on terraces would be your late teens and 20s, and when I was a teenager I was convinced we'd have standing back within 5 years. It's now 15 years since those predictions and we're still struggling for it. Even if/when it does return I'll be well into my 30s at best. Can't help but feel somehow culturally robbed because it's more than apparent that the terraces were the scapegoat that got sacrificed for the criminal (some might say murderous) failings of the authorities. I was there during the worst of it in the 1970's & 80's and while the authorities did play a role, particularly in some of the worst incidents, crowd behaviour was appalling and significantly contributed to the general lack of safety. I certainly don't miss them and won't be going anywhere near them if they are reintroduced. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 8, 2019 14:15:42 GMT
Not this again it has been done to death so many times. The answer is NO.
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Post by boothenender on Apr 8, 2019 14:29:16 GMT
Sit down
Shut up...
I do not think thet standing will be allowed at Premiership or Championship grounds again.
Health and Safety has become a major factor in all of our lives.
Legal companies would be wanking themselves stupid waiting for someone to fall and injur themselves at the match.
Football clubs would not dare to bring back "safe standing" at their stadiums.
Too big a risk for them to take financially being the main reason.
I do miss standing at match as a regular at the Old Vic and lots of other grounds around Great Britain and Europe, and the younger fans are missing out on some fantastic experiences and memories.
Each stadium should have a standing area to allow fans the choice.
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Post by Gods on Apr 8, 2019 14:55:21 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Where there are seats people should be made to sit. I have no problem with clubs offering standing areas if they are deemed safe. I will not be going into them! Why on earth would standing up improve the atmosphere? There's something faintly ridiculous about singing while sitting down though. There's probably only Val Doonican that's really got away with it for an extended period of time. |
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 8, 2019 15:07:45 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Where there are seats people should be made to sit. I have no problem with clubs offering standing areas if they are deemed safe. I will not be going into them! Why on earth would standing up improve the atmosphere? You look a bit silly singing while sitting down. There's probably only Val Doonican that's really got away with it for an extended period of time. The vast majority of people attending football matches do not sing! In my youth I did! I grew up! |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 8, 2019 15:31:04 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Where there are seats people should be made to sit. I have no problem with clubs offering standing areas if they are deemed safe. I will not be going into them! Why on earth would standing up improve the atmosphere? You look a bit silly singing while sitting down. There's probably only Val Doonican that's really got away with it for an extended period of time. You're on to something. I suggest an area dedicated to an "ultra" section, with everyone lounging in a rocking chair, smoking a pipe and sporting patterned, pastel-coloured, lambswool V-neck pullovers. And beige Farah slacks. Don't forget the beige Farah slacks. They would croon rather than chant. The Nifty 50 (as they might be called) would be a feared firm throughout the land and beyond. Where do I sign up? |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 8, 2019 15:35:35 GMT
You look a bit silly singing while sitting down. There's probably only Val Doonican that's really got away with it for an extended period of time. You're on to something. I suggest an area dedicated to an "ultra" section, with everyone lounging in a rocking chair, smoking a pipe and sporting patterned, pastel-coloured, lambswool V-neck pullovers. And beige Farah slacks. Don't forget the beige Farah slacks. They would croon rather than chant. The Nifty 50 (as they might be called) would be a feared firm throughout the land and beyond. Where do I sign up? More like the senile 60, now where did I put my ticket? |
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Post by kelw on Apr 8, 2019 15:52:45 GMT
You look a bit silly singing while sitting down. There's probably only Val Doonican that's really got away with it for an extended period of time. The vast majority of people attending football matches do not sing! In my youth I did! I grew up! Perhaps a cheeky Irish wink at opposition players instead of the usual abuse. |
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Post by pretzel on Apr 8, 2019 16:33:11 GMT
You're on to something. I suggest an area dedicated to an "ultra" section, with everyone lounging in a rocking chair, smoking a pipe and sporting patterned, pastel-coloured, lambswool V-neck pullovers. And beige Farah slacks. Don't forget the beige Farah slacks. They would croon rather than chant. The Nifty 50 (as they might be called) would be a feared firm throughout the land and beyond. Where do I sign up? More like the senile 60, now where did I put my ticket? or the sedentary 70 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 16:53:47 GMT
Not this again it has been done to death so many times. The answer is NO. The answer isn't "NO" though is it. There's a lot of MPs in support of the introduction of safe-standing. And the vast majority of supporters + a lot of clubs. I know you dislike the idea of the re-introduction of standing, and have the strangest argument in opposition to it ("I like to sit therefore there should be no standing allowed") but I think you're onto a loser if you think this issue is going to disappear any time soon. |
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Post by kelw on Apr 8, 2019 17:58:42 GMT
Not this again it has been done to death so many times. The answer is NO. The answer isn't "NO" though is it. There's a lot of MPs in support of the introduction of safe-standing. And the vast majority of supporters + a lot of clubs. I know you dislike the idea of the re-introduction of standing, and have the strangest argument in opposition to it ("I like to sit therefore there should be no standing allowed") but I think you're onto a loser if you think this issue is going to disappear any time soon. Certainly isn't happening next season as the original comment suggested it should. If it happens down the line then your guess as good as the next person |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 8, 2019 18:19:53 GMT
Not this again it has been done to death so many times. The answer is NO. The answer isn't "NO" though is it. There's a lot of MPs in support of the introduction of safe-standing. And the vast majority of supporters + a lot of clubs. I know you dislike the idea of the re-introduction of standing, and have the strangest argument in opposition to it ("I like to sit therefore there should be no standing allowed") but I think you're onto a loser if you think this issue is going to disappear any time soon. Of course, the point is that if you give people the choice, those who want to sit are more likely to be able to, particularly at away games. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 8, 2019 18:29:27 GMT
Not this again it has been done to death so many times. The answer is NO. I think the reason the debate doesn't go away is because the present law is illogical ( how can a ground become unsafe because the team on the pitch is good enough to be promoted to the Championship ? ), unnecessary and has proved to be unenforceable ( as you will see at any of our away games). I think this is now being recognised by both politicians and the safety authorities. I think the answer to clubs will become " Yes, if you want to, provided of course that you comply with the Green Guide, the relevant safety regulations". The debate is moving steadily in that direction. I wouldn't put a timescale on it, but I'm convinced it will happen. |
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Post by felonious on Apr 8, 2019 18:40:58 GMT
I have never understood people who wish to stand for a couple of hours when they can comfortably sit and watch the game. Where there are seats people should be made to sit. I have no problem with clubs offering standing areas if they are deemed safe. I will not be going into them! Why on earth would standing up improve the atmosphere? There's something faintly ridiculous about singing while sitting down though. There's probably only Val Doonican that's really got away with it for an extended period of time. D'ya think Silverdollar is a cardi wearer? |
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