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Post by rawli on May 5, 2019 22:43:03 GMT
The comment " Jack Butland has assured supporters that only a good Premier League club can entice him away from Stoke City this summer." is good news. I interpret it that he does not want to go to the likes of Bournemouth or Palace or any other of the dozen Prem sides that could be potentially be relegated next season. I also think he would be stupid to do what Begovic did and go to a top 6 club side and sit on the bench all season. That narrows the options considerably and there is always a slim chance Jones can talk him into staying. Think he's just sugaring the pill.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 5, 2019 22:54:47 GMT
Can't hold it against him. But hopefully it'll be resolved sooner rather than later. We don't want it hanging over us.
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Post by camstoke10 on May 5, 2019 22:55:41 GMT
Imo he will stay, but we need to get up next season if we want to keep him, would love him to stay great player on and off the pitch
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 5, 2019 22:59:33 GMT
The comment " Jack Butland has assured supporters that only a good Premier League club can entice him away from Stoke City this summer." is good news. I interpret it that he does not want to go to the likes of Bournemouth or Palace or any other of the dozen Prem sides that could be potentially be relegated next season. I also think he would be stupid to do what Begovic did and go to a top 6 club side and sit on the bench all season. That narrows the options considerably and there is always a slim chance Jones can talk him into staying. I think that means any club that has been a premier league club for more than a year. Watford, palace, Bournemouth, wolves etc he'd be off like a shot
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 23:06:47 GMT
We didn’t even have a model for the new keeper shirt...he’s gone.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 23:13:02 GMT
I think we can keep him and could well do so. He’s under contract and he’s said he won’t go unless a good premier league club come in for him. Would he risk going to a club like Bournemouth etc? None of the top 8 will probably want him so I think we could well see him start the season with us.
Ok It may be wishful thinking but you never know
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 23:14:22 GMT
The comment " Jack Butland has assured supporters that only a good Premier League club can entice him away from Stoke City this summer." is good news. I interpret it that he does not want to go to the likes of Bournemouth or Palace or any other of the dozen Prem sides that could be potentially be relegated next season. I also think he would be stupid to do what Begovic did and go to a top 6 club side and sit on the bench all season. That narrows the options considerably and there is always a slim chance Jones can talk him into staying. I think that means any club that has been a premier league club for more than a year. Watford, palace, Bournemouth, wolves etc he'd be off like a shot Yep. All Premier league clubs are good clubs compared to slumming it in the championship. Especially when your England career depends on you being in the Premier league.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 23:16:06 GMT
And on the other side of the coin, I don't think the club would refuse a bid of 15 - 20 million either. It will soften the loosses when we finally rid ourselves of Wimmer, Imbula and Ndiaye for loose change....
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Post by JoeinOz on May 6, 2019 0:23:42 GMT
I think that means any club that has been a premier league club for more than a year. Watford, palace, Bournemouth, wolves etc he'd be off like a shot Yep. All Premier league clubs are good clubs compared to slumming it in the championship. Especially when your England career depends on you being in the Premier league. And especially a year away from a major tournament when there's a chance of making the shirt your own.
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Post by kelw on May 6, 2019 1:11:07 GMT
Yep. All Premier league clubs are good clubs compared to slumming it in the championship. Especially when your England career depends on you being in the Premier league. And especially a year away from a major tournament when there's a chance of making the shirt your own. Being at a team like Bournemouth who get beat away for fun might not be a great move. You do look at them and wonder like us as time went on, if their home form stutters where does it leave them??
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 6, 2019 5:48:19 GMT
Had massive hopes for Jack when he deputised for Begovic during that Xmas period three or four years ago. Perhaps it was just hope and rose tinted goggles because his goals conceded stats during that period weren't all that. I dunno... he hasn't really fulfilled that potential (since injury) maybe he isn't actually that good.
Wished we'd cashed in for the double figures we could have got. Hated watching him berate me and us in the Boothen more than once.
I have no qualms about him fucking off.. Granty was better and a far better bloke imo. He's not irreplaceable.
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Post by Goonie on May 6, 2019 5:55:18 GMT
Had massive hopes for Jack when he deputised for Begovic during that Xmas period three or four years ago. Perhaps it was just hope and rose tinted goggles because his goals conceded stats during that period weren't all that. I dunno... he hasn't really fulfilled that potential (since injury) maybe he isn't actually that good. Wished we'd cashed in for the double figures we could have got. Hated watching him berate me and us in the Boothen more than once. I have no qualms about him fucking off.. Granty was better and a far better bloke imo. He's not irreplaceable. Just seems light years away from what he was 2-3 seasons ago Distribution remains poor generally
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2019 9:14:15 GMT
Barnsley keeper getting another little mention in Sentinel.
Didn't realise he was another good ol' Bosman.
Let's go Bosman crazy, let's go Bosman crazy na na na na
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Post by thestatusquo on May 6, 2019 9:22:04 GMT
Barnsley keeper getting another little mention in Sentinel. Didn't realise he was another good 'ol Bosman. Let's go Bosman crazy, let's go Bosman crazy na na na na Got a feeling this would happen grapey. Having spent a shitload very badly I’d a feeling we wouldn’t be spending much!!
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Post by clarkeda on May 6, 2019 9:25:50 GMT
Barnsley keeper getting another little mention in Sentinel. Didn't realise he was another good 'ol Bosman. Let's go Bosman crazy, let's go Bosman crazy na na na na Got a feeling this would happen grapey. Having spent a shitload very badly I’d a feeling we wouldn’t be spending much!! Disagree, I think the money is there but is being saved for the right player/position
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Post by thestatusquo on May 6, 2019 9:28:09 GMT
Got a feeling this would happen grapey. Having spent a shitload very badly I’d a feeling we wouldn’t be spending much!! Disagree, I think the money is there but is being saved for the right player/position We’ll spend some because we absolutely have to but we’ve been linked with two free transfers already
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2019 9:29:31 GMT
Barnsley keeper getting another little mention in Sentinel. Didn't realise he was another good 'ol Bosman. Let's go Bosman crazy, let's go Bosman crazy na na na na Got a feeling this would happen grapey. Having spent a shitload very badly I’d a feeling we wouldn’t be spending much!! We'll see! I do think the money will be there for the right player, but obviously we're not going to lump another £50m on players again and we'll be fishing in a different pond, wage-wise. Bosmans can be a sensible part of the overall approach and keeps the spend down Think we'll spend on the right ones though - wouldn't think the Luton full-back would be cheap for example?
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Post by clarkeda on May 6, 2019 9:35:59 GMT
Disagree, I think the money is there but is being saved for the right player/position We’ll spend some because we absolutely have to but we’ve been linked with two free transfers already It’s just being astute. We’re not going to be able to chuck 50m at it. If there are 2 players identical. Why would you pay for one, when the other one is free (I know that’ll never happen but you get my drift, I imagine finances will be taken into account as part of the ‘scoring system’
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Post by thestatusquo on May 6, 2019 9:37:06 GMT
Got a feeling this would happen grapey. Having spent a shitload very badly I’d a feeling we wouldn’t be spending much!! We'll see! I do think the money will be there for the right player, but obviously we're not going to lump another £50m on players again and we'll be fishing in a different pond, wage-wise. Bosmans can be a sensible part of the overall approach and keeps the spend down Think we'll spend on the right ones though - wouldn't think the Luton full-back would be cheap for example? We’ll spend some because we absolutely have to but nowhere like before. I’m thinking that a fair old wedge will have to go on losses on the deadwood we’ll have to ship out and wage contributions on those that we manage to ship out on loan. My guess would be he’ll get to spend whatever comes in from who we can sell
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2019 9:42:31 GMT
We'll see! I do think the money will be there for the right player, but obviously we're not going to lump another £50m on players again and we'll be fishing in a different pond, wage-wise. Bosmans can be a sensible part of the overall approach and keeps the spend down Think we'll spend on the right ones though - wouldn't think the Luton full-back would be cheap for example? We’ll spend some because we absolutely have to but nowhere like before. I’m thinking that a fair old wedge will have to go on losses on the deadwood we’ll have to ship out and wage contributions on those that we manage to ship out on loan. My guess would be he’ll get to spend whatever comes in from who we can sell Yeah - agreed. That stat about Sheff U spending £11m over 3 years says it all. The C'ship is a very different world and we've seen trying to bulldoze it with the wrong type of entitled, lazy big money signing isn't the way to go, and shrewd managers can crack it in a different way if they know what they're doing! And we haven't got all that much choice but to give that method a go now....
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Post by thestatusquo on May 6, 2019 9:57:13 GMT
We’ll spend some because we absolutely have to but nowhere like before. I’m thinking that a fair old wedge will have to go on losses on the deadwood we’ll have to ship out and wage contributions on those that we manage to ship out on loan. My guess would be he’ll get to spend whatever comes in from who we can sell Yeah - agreed. That stat about Sheff U spending £11m over 3 years says it all. The C'ship is a very different world and we've seen trying to bulldoze it with the wrong type of entitled, lazy big money signing isn't the way to go, and shrewd managers can crack it in a different way if they know what they're doing! And we haven't got all that much choice but to give that method a go now.... You never cease to amaze/impress me with where you dig this stuff up from but it certainly tells a story doesn’t it!! They will probably have to spend to try and stay up but my guess is Wilder already knows who and what he wants. Jones will need time to sort this mess out but I’m not too sure how much he’ll get. The expectations created by the big money purchasing will be a heavy weight on his shoulders even though most of it ain’t his!! If we can get off to a decent start and there’s signs of progress he’ll get that time but if we don’t we could see things unravel quite quickly.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2019 10:16:49 GMT
Exeter fan here seems to think we're signing their keeper
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 10:17:56 GMT
All of the clues are pointing to their being a significant reduction in budget.
We came down with huge money failures in the squad, paid big money to get a manager from Derby, paid out huge sums of money to bankroll his (dreadful) transfers to try and get back, spent big money no doubt in relieving him and his mountain of backroom staff of their duties and then a fair amount on getting in the new manager.
Common sense alone at this point will say that FFP will dictate that we have to cut back. A fair chunk of any outgoings at this point will surely go towards writing off previous failures and paying for their wages elsewhere.
Chuck in comments from John Coates at the meet the supporters event, where he was quoted as saying the club will support Nathan Jones as much as they can within FFP guidelines and note what Jones himself has said a few times when mentioning his transfers, in that he will have a slightly bigger budget than he had at Luton.
Frankly, it's about time the supporter base woke up a bit.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 6, 2019 10:26:21 GMT
It’s not about how much money it all about value. Over the last few years we’ve spent bucket loads on wasters. It certainly won’t guarantee you success. We need hungry players mixed with that, If we didn’t have these “expensive” players Imbula NDaye Wimmer Betahino Afobe Ince We’d be in a far better place.
I’m excited about next season and think we’ll finish higher than this
The names were being linked to are the type that will take us back to our promotion season and unite the club again. Just a shame we’ve got 2 characters still at the club to keep the feel good factor away.
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 6, 2019 10:29:42 GMT
Hasn’t wimmer got a compulsory purchase option?
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Post by andystokey on May 6, 2019 10:33:50 GMT
All of the clues are pointing to their being a significant reduction in budget. We came down with huge money failures in the squad, paid big money to get a manager from Derby, paid out huge sums of money to bankroll his (dreadful) transfers to try and get back, spent big money no doubt in relieving him and his mountain of backroom staff of their duties and then a fair amount on getting in the new manager. Common sense alone at this point will say that FFP will dictate that we have to cut back. A fair chunk of any outgoings at this point will surely go towards writing off previous failures and paying for their wages elsewhere.
Chuck in comments from John Coates at the meet the supporters event, where he was quoted as saying the club will support Nathan Jones as much as they can within FFP guidelines and note what Jones himself has said a few times when mentioning his transfers, in that he will have a slightly bigger budget than he had at Luton. Frankly, it's about time the supporter base woke up a bit.
If our roughly calculated loss is around the £75m mark this year we are already in breach of FFP by the time we start paying wages next year. The money for signings is irrelevant compared to writing off some assets and decimating our wage bill.
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Post by questionable on May 6, 2019 10:34:53 GMT
Supporters yes will have to wake up but let’s not forget who placed the forthcoming restrictions upon the supporters.
The likes of the owners and the other two prize idiots are mostly to blame, look at some of the dross they’ve sanctioned and bizarre statements.
The supporters get totally ignored
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Post by questionable on May 6, 2019 10:36:45 GMT
Hasn’t wimmer got a compulsory purchase option? Not played enough games apparently
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2019 10:40:14 GMT
Got a feeling this would happen grapey. Having spent a shitload very badly I’d a feeling we wouldn’t be spending much!! We'll see! I do think the money will be there for the right player, but obviously we're not going to lump another £50m on players again and we'll be fishing in a different pond, wage-wise. Bosmans can be a sensible part of the overall approach and keeps the spend down Think we'll spend on the right ones though - wouldn't think the Luton full-back would be cheap for example? He won't be £10m though will he £5m or maybe a bit more £10 to £15k a week wages
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Post by FullerMagic on May 6, 2019 10:44:34 GMT
We'll see! I do think the money will be there for the right player, but obviously we're not going to lump another £50m on players again and we'll be fishing in a different pond, wage-wise. Bosmans can be a sensible part of the overall approach and keeps the spend down Think we'll spend on the right ones though - wouldn't think the Luton full-back would be cheap for example? He won't be £10m though will he £5m or maybe a bit more £10 to £15k a week wages Yeah - was thinking maybe £6-7m although trying to guess fees is a bit of a mug's game!
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