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Tom Ince
Mar 20, 2019 22:29:55 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 20, 2019 22:29:55 GMT
Why not? Doesn't hurt now & again. Depends who is launching it though, if it's stoke it's a launch, if it's man Utd it's a long pass Knew we'd get there in the end. Nope, you don't have to play 100% total football and avoid a good punt up field at all costs, being effective at both makes you more unpredictable. Sometimes a lump upfield is better than 20 passes across the same line
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 28, 2019 12:24:59 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 28, 2019 12:26:23 GMT
Suspect he’s being lined up to play a fair part, knowing we won’t be able to shift him. I also think Ince throughout his career has suffered from a lack of confidence and this is Jones bulling him up.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 28, 2019 12:29:11 GMT
Suspect he’s being lined up to play a fair part, knowing we won’t be able to shift him. I also think Ince throughout his career has suffered from a lack of confidence and this is Jones bulling him up. Possibly - hard to see where he could be moved on to. But there's still zero evidence he can play in that position, and big calls are going to have to be made very, very soon about where we prioritise investment And equally hard to see where this big leap forward is going to come if the likes of Clucas and Ince are going to be regulars (and who knows about McClean and Afobe for that matter!)
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 28, 2019 12:32:41 GMT
For those expecting a major overhaul of our forwards and attacking options could well be disappointed. His chosen 'go to' disciples of Ince McClean and Clucas will be still be first picks come August. A line up that includes Allen Etebo Clucas McClean and Ince will deliver as they have all season, very few goals...they have managed just 20 between them! Maybe Jones is going to follow the TP blueprint at M'boro and hit the playoffs while scoring less than 50 and boring every fecker into the bargain.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 28, 2019 12:50:19 GMT
For those expecting a major overhaul of our forwards and attacking options could well be disappointed. His chosen 'go to' disciples of Ince McClean and Clucas will be still be first picks come August. A line up that includes Allen Etebo Clucas McClean and Ince will deliver as they have all season, very few goals...they have managed just 20 between them! Maybe Jones is going to follow the TP blueprint at M'boro and hit the playoffs while scoring less than 50 and boring every fecker into the bargain. That wasn’t his MO at Luton was it? And he’s been vocal that it isn’t how he wants to play. Hard to see McClean starting much next season.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 28, 2019 17:05:54 GMT
For those expecting a major overhaul of our forwards and attacking options could well be disappointed. His chosen 'go to' disciples of Ince McClean and Clucas will be still be first picks come August. A line up that includes Allen Etebo Clucas McClean and Ince will deliver as they have all season, very few goals...they have managed just 20 between them! Maybe Jones is going to follow the TP blueprint at M'boro and hit the playoffs while scoring less than 50 and boring every fecker into the bargain. That wasn’t his MO at Luton was it? And he’s been vocal that it isn’t how he wants to play. Hard to see McClean starting much next season. McLean I think will get the chance in direct competition with a new signing to compete for left wing back , issue is his crossing , unless of course O’Neil comes in with a few million .
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 17:11:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 17:11:47 GMT
A new season approaching, must be time for another move for Tom.
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 17:13:47 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 28, 2019 17:13:47 GMT
I'm not a great fan of Ince, but it's up to Jones who he plays and who he doesn't!!! It's his head on the chopping block with both the board and the fans, SHOULD it go tits up!!!
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 28, 2019 17:16:14 GMT
to be honest cant think of a team who would pay a lot to sign him. another we have to shift on with little resale value.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 28, 2019 17:19:41 GMT
Suspect he’s being lined up to play a fair part, knowing we won’t be able to shift him. I also think Ince throughout his career has suffered from a lack of confidence and this is Jones bulling him up. Possibly - hard to see where he could be moved on to. But there's still zero evidence he can play in that position, and big calls are going to have to be made very, very soon about where we prioritise investment And equally hard to see where this big leap forward is going to come if the likes of Clucas and Ince are going to be regulars (and who knows about McClean and Afobe for that matter!) Clucas has been really good the last few games I think? We dominated possession and were pressing high against millwall, as we did against boro and for the second half against norwich when we battered them, and clucas was instrumental, he's been leading the press. I definitely can see Clucas doing well in the diamond next season, and he can fit in various positions. The priority is left back, defensive mid, striker and tip of diamond surely?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 28, 2019 18:19:36 GMT
Possibly - hard to see where he could be moved on to. But there's still zero evidence he can play in that position, and big calls are going to have to be made very, very soon about where we prioritise investment And equally hard to see where this big leap forward is going to come if the likes of Clucas and Ince are going to be regulars (and who knows about McClean and Afobe for that matter!) Clucas has been really good the last few games I think? We dominated possession and were pressing high against millwall, as we did against boro and for the second half against norwich when we battered them, and clucas was instrumental, he's been leading the press. I definitely can see Clucas doing well in the diamond next season, and he can fit in various positions. The priority is left back, defensive mid, striker and tip of diamond surely? Those 4 are the absolute no-questions-asked needs, definitely. And that'll have to be supplemented if we lose Allen, Etebo and Butland. Yeah - I can see Clucas starting as one of the middle 2 in the diamond (no idea who the one alongside him could be at this stage). His performances are trending in the right direction. Still not totally convinced, but think he's the only real Rowett signing who's got a chance to properly come good. That wasn’t his MO at Luton was it? And he’s been vocal that it isn’t how he wants to play. Hard to see McClean starting much next season. McLean I think will get the chance in direct competition with a new signing to compete for left wing back , issue is his crossing , unless of course O’Neil comes in with a few million . Big difference between wing-back in a 5 (where he's done ok in his few outings) and left-back in a 4 (albeit one that'll be asked to bomb on throughout the game) though maybe? He's obviously got the engine, but quite a big ask to suddenly become a full-back at 30. He's never shown much defensive nous - and the quality of his delivery from that spot will be key. Would have thought the new man will be the undisputed starter, certainly if it's Justin from Luton. How much game time that'd leave for McClean, who knows? But as you say probably only real chance to move him is MON
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 18:49:44 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 28, 2019 18:49:44 GMT
I am worried. The way it appears to be heading by his comments is we could conceivably see Ince, Afobe, McClean and Clucas all as starters, add to that Vokes and I am extremely worried..
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 28, 2019 19:04:10 GMT
I am worried. The way it appears to be heading by his comments is we could conceivably see Ince, Afobe, McClean and Clucas all as starters, add to that Vokes and I am extremely worried.. In terms of being starters on opening day, I'd say Afobe 0% (jury is in now) Ince 30% (can he play No.10? Not really but I don't think we'll be able to shift him. Can't see him starting at No.10 though - the new signing will start there) McClean 0% (he definitely won't be first choice left-back but may stay at club) Clucas 90% Vokes 70% (hopefully he's just not fit and will be unrecognisable come July - and he's too big an investment to fail after a handful of games)
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 19:07:54 GMT
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Post by shipshape on Apr 28, 2019 19:07:54 GMT
I am worried. The way it appears to be heading by his comments is we could conceivably see Ince, Afobe, McClean and Clucas all as starters, add to that Vokes and I am extremely worried.. In terms of being starters on opening day, I'd say Afobe 0% (jury is in now) Ince 30% (can he play No.10? Not really but I don't think we'll be able to shift him. Can't see him starting at No.10 though - the new signing will start there) McClean 0% (he definitely won't be first choice left-back but may stay at club) Clucas 90% Vokes 70% (hopefully he's just not fit and will be unrecognisable come July - and he's too big an investment to fail after a handful of games) Off the fence FM. Who's shitter? Afobe or Ince?
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 19:08:59 GMT
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Post by shipshape on Apr 28, 2019 19:08:59 GMT
In terms of being starters on opening day, I'd say Afobe 0% (jury is in now) Ince 30% (can he play No.10? Not really but I don't think we'll be able to shift him. Can't see him starting at No.10 though - the new signing will start there) McClean 0% (he definitely won't be first choice left-back but may stay at club) Clucas 90% Vokes 70% (hopefully he's just not fit and will be unrecognisable come July - and he's too big an investment to fail after a handful of games) Off the fence FM. Who's shitter? Afobe or Ince? I see 0%.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 28, 2019 19:10:19 GMT
In terms of being starters on opening day, I'd say Afobe 0% (jury is in now) Ince 30% (can he play No.10? Not really but I don't think we'll be able to shift him. Can't see him starting at No.10 though - the new signing will start there) McClean 0% (he definitely won't be first choice left-back but may stay at club) Clucas 90% Vokes 70% (hopefully he's just not fit and will be unrecognisable come July - and he's too big an investment to fail after a handful of games) Off the fence FM. Who's shitter? Afobe or Ince? Benny. But the fact I had to think about it for more than a second does not reflect well on young master Ince!
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 19:14:45 GMT
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Post by shipshape on Apr 28, 2019 19:14:45 GMT
Off the fence FM. Who's shitter? Afobe or Ince? Benny. But the fact I had to think about it for more than a second does not reflect well on young master Ince! I'm hankering for the days of Andy Cooke. Afobe is the biggest waste of space and money I've ever seen.
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 19:17:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 19:17:21 GMT
Possibly - hard to see where he could be moved on to. But there's still zero evidence he can play in that position, and big calls are going to have to be made very, very soon about where we prioritise investment And equally hard to see where this big leap forward is going to come if the likes of Clucas and Ince are going to be regulars (and who knows about McClean and Afobe for that matter!) Clucas has been really good the last few games I think? We dominated possession and were pressing high against millwall, as we did against boro and for the second half against norwich when we battered them, and clucas was instrumental, he's been leading the press. I definitely can see Clucas doing well in the diamond next season, and he can fit in various positions. The priority is left back, defensive mid, striker and tip of diamond surely? I’ve been critical of Clucas this season but, as you say, if he performs next year as he has these last couple of games on a consistent basis, then I think he’s golden. I wonder if Ince can turn a corner in a similar fashion? Unconvinced on him in that behind-the-strikers role so far, I must admit. I think Etebo has been playing deeper these last couple of matches too; I wonder if he’s being groomed for the DM position? Can’t say that’s terribly appealing as I don’t think we’d get the best out of him by playing him there. Not sure I know what NJ sees as his recruitment priorities tbh (I agree with you on where I’d be looking first and foremost though).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 19:23:25 GMT
Big difference between wing-back in a 5 (where he's done ok in his few outings) and left-back in a 4 (albeit one that'll be asked to bomb on throughout the game) though maybe? He's obviously got the engine, but quite a big ask to suddenly become a full-back at 30. He's never shown much defensive nous - and the quality of his delivery from that spot will be key. It's not a big ask for a 30-year old player; for many a former winger who's losing pace it's the logical step. Now McClean never had much to begin with...
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 28, 2019 19:26:53 GMT
Big difference between wing-back in a 5 (where he's done ok in his few outings) and left-back in a 4 (albeit one that'll be asked to bomb on throughout the game) though maybe? He's obviously got the engine, but quite a big ask to suddenly become a full-back at 30. He's never shown much defensive nous - and the quality of his delivery from that spot will be key. It's not a big ask for a 30-year old player; for many a former winger who's losing pace it's the logical step. Now McClean never had much to begin with... Some have done it ok (Valencia, Young) McClean doesn't strike me as one who could.
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Post by robboleek on Apr 28, 2019 19:29:22 GMT
He is completely spineless and needs fucking off sharpish!
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Post by chell_rosey on Apr 28, 2019 19:37:23 GMT
A new season approaching, must be time for another move for Tom. You've got to hope (pray...) that the bull from NJ is bigging Ince up for a move.
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 19:51:55 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 28, 2019 19:51:55 GMT
Benny. But the fact I had to think about it for more than a second does not reflect well on young master Ince! I'm hankering for the days of Andy Cooke. Afobe is the biggest waste of space and money I've ever seen. That's why his nickname is Ceramica...
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Post by shipshape on Apr 28, 2019 19:54:29 GMT
I'm hankering for the days of Andy Cooke. Afobe is the biggest waste of space and money I've ever seen. That's why his nickname is Ceramica... I don't get it. Help me.
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 19:59:25 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 28, 2019 19:59:25 GMT
That's why his nickname is Ceramica... I don't get it. Help me. Another bad investment from the city?
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Post by shipshape on Apr 28, 2019 20:01:43 GMT
Another bad investment from the city? I don't live in the city no more.
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Post by tony1234 on Apr 28, 2019 20:11:19 GMT
Need not cost a bomb to get our key positions, but we will need to move quickly:- NJ needs to loan people too, as will probably lose (or need to get rid of) Butland, Haugard, Allen, Bauer, Pieters, Adam, Fletcher, Diouf and Bojan; be clear there is no place for Beharinho; and learn that Maclean is no answer to a question worth asking, despite his efforts.
Priorities e.g.:- GK:- Marshall (free) LB: Martin Olssen (Swansea, free) or Pape Souare (C Pal, free) CDM/CM: Amartey or Choudhury (Leic, loan) CAM: Eze (QPR, 7m + Bojan) CF: Lyle Taylor (Charlton, 3m + N'Goy)
Marshall Edwards Collins Shawx Olssen Amartey Clucas Etebo Eze Vokes Taylor Subs: Fed. Souttar, BMI, Woods, Ince, Verlinden, Afobe
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Tom Ince
Apr 28, 2019 20:40:26 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Apr 28, 2019 20:40:26 GMT
Benny. But the fact I had to think about it for more than a second does not reflect well on young master Ince! I'm hankering for the days of Andy Cooke. Afobe is the biggest waste of space and money I've ever seen. More so than Berahino, who cost more and has done less? In a much longer time period? Really? The real scary thing is thinking of the striker we could have had for the combined £34mil we have spent on the last 3 front men we have bought.
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Post by shipshape on Apr 28, 2019 20:45:47 GMT
I'm hankering for the days of Andy Cooke. Afobe is the biggest waste of space and money I've ever seen. More so than Berahino, who cost more and has done less? In a much longer time period? Really? The real scary thing is thinking of the striker we could have had for the combined £34mil we have spent on the last 3 front men we have bought. Fair point about berahino. But I watch games and Afobe is a complete waster time and again. Stephen Hawking could outjump him.
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