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Post by PotterLog on Mar 4, 2019 19:06:58 GMT
Sorry to start a new thread but I had to watch the game on my phone while distracted by other things. I just watched the highlights and I still can't really tell, and I can't find a definitive answer on here... can anyone enlighten me how we lined up exactly, and how the subs changed it?
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Post by FrankButcher on Mar 4, 2019 19:19:37 GMT
I saw it as a 4-2-3-1 and then a 4-3-3 later on in the game but that's just my interpretation.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 4, 2019 19:25:06 GMT
I saw it as a 4-2-3-1 and then a 4-3-3 later on in the game but that's just my interpretation. So basically Afobe on his own up front then, which is what I thought. Surprised me given Jones' recent comments about him not being one to lead the line on his own. Ironic that he got a pretty classic centre forward's goal. |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 4, 2019 19:35:10 GMT
I saw it as a 4-2-3-1 and then a 4-3-3 later on in the game but that's just my interpretation. So basically Afobe on his own up front then, which is what I thought. Surprised me given Jones' recent comments about him not being one to lead the line on his own. Ironic that he got a pretty classic centre forward's goal. It was 433 but changed to 4-1-2-2-1 going forward as a diamond.If the players can get it very effective .But can they get it? |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 4, 2019 19:38:14 GMT
So basically Afobe on his own up front then, which is what I thought. Surprised me given Jones' recent comments about him not being one to lead the line on his own. Ironic that he got a pretty classic centre forward's goal. It was 433 but changed to 4-1-2-2-1 going forward as a diamond.If the players can get it very effective .But can they get it? Don't get how there's a diamond in that second lineup? |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 4, 2019 19:40:38 GMT
It was 433 but changed to 4-1-2-2-1 going forward as a diamond.If the players can get it very effective .But can they get it? Don't get how there's a diamond in that second lineup? Nor do the players... |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 4, 2019 19:44:29 GMT
Adam
Ince Allen
bojan etbo
afobe
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 4, 2019 19:51:30 GMT
Adam Ince Allen bojan etbo afobe That's just a square  back to geometry for you  Interesting if that's what it was though  |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 4, 2019 20:22:02 GMT
Adam Ince Allen bojan etbo afobe I was at work but even I can tell you that's wrong  |
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Post by walrus on Mar 4, 2019 20:38:10 GMT
Adam Ince Allen bojan etbo afobe Adam came on for Etebo |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 4, 2019 20:50:07 GMT
Adam Ince Allen bojan etbo afobe Adam came on for Etebo I was trying to show the shape .It worked well for Juventus 97/98 but the had Inzaghi at the tip........ |
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Post by StoKeith on Mar 4, 2019 21:02:58 GMT
There’s quite a few quadrilaterals for Jones to choose from:  I’d love him to come out in the press conference and say we’re going for an isosceles trapezium this week... |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 4, 2019 21:04:36 GMT
It's what's called 'Liquid football'! |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 4, 2019 21:14:01 GMT
There’s quite a few quadrilaterals for Jones to choose from: I’d love him to come out in the press conference and say we’re going for an isosceles trapezium this week... Imagine the shock on the opposition manager’s face when it was all a bluff and he was actually employing the 3-sides-equal trapezium |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 4, 2019 21:39:54 GMT
It was 433 from the start.
The back four of Edwards, Shawcross, Batth and BMI.
Midfield three of Allen (instructed to sit), Etebo and Clucas (most advanced, free role).
Afobe in the middle with Bojan on the left and Ince on the right.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 4, 2019 22:07:13 GMT
It was 433 from the start. The back four of Edwards, Shawcross, Batth and BMI. Midfield three of Allen (instructed to sit), Etebo and Clucas (most advanced, free role). Afobe in the middle with Bojan on the left and Ince on the right. Thank you PS that's what I was trying to say .(badly.) |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 4, 2019 22:24:05 GMT
It was 433 from the start. The back four of Edwards, Shawcross, Batth and BMI. Midfield three of Allen (instructed to sit), Etebo and Clucas (most advanced, free role). Afobe in the middle with Bojan on the left and Ince on the right. That sounds more like it but I was a bit confused about Bojan and to an extent Ince, because they both seemed to be dropping very deep (and narrow). Also couldn’t work out what Clucas was supposed to be doing, but that makes more sense if he was “free” as you say. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 4, 2019 22:45:13 GMT
It was 433 from the start. The back four of Edwards, Shawcross, Batth and BMI. Midfield three of Allen (instructed to sit), Etebo and Clucas (most advanced, free role). Afobe in the middle with Bojan on the left and Ince on the right. Thank you PS that's what I was trying to say .(badly.) Are you benjys son? |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 4, 2019 23:19:25 GMT
Thank you PS that's what I was trying to say .(badly.) Are you benjys son? Only if benjys over 90 yrs old. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 5, 2019 1:40:09 GMT
It was 433 from the start. The back four of Edwards, Shawcross, Batth and BMI. Midfield three of Allen (instructed to sit), Etebo and Clucas (most advanced, free role). Afobe in the middle with Bojan on the left and Ince on the right. Indeed it was. In both of Jones only 2 wins neither used the diamond. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Mar 5, 2019 7:51:26 GMT
The trouble with all this system bollocks is, their players keep bloody moving and ours have to follow.
For me theres 3 or 4 at the back and 1 or 2 upfront. Much of the rest goes out the window when the game starts.
The differnce this week is Forest were poor, so we could keep the ball better and support Afobe more. Rather than the usual, 1 man up top isolation.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 5, 2019 8:19:05 GMT
The trouble with all this system bollocks is, their players keep bloody moving and ours have to follow. For me theres 3 or 4 at the back and 1 or 2 upfront. Much of the rest goes out the window when the game starts. The differnce this week is Forest were poor, so we could keep the ball better and support Afobe more. Rather than the usual, 1 man up top isolation. The big difference was that we actually had some structure in midfield, with each man knowing his job and sticking to it. Afobe actually bothering to chase stuff and challenge for headers and hold the ball up helped as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 8:31:47 GMT
The trouble with all this system bollocks is, their players keep bloody moving and ours have to follow. For me theres 3 or 4 at the back and 1 or 2 upfront. Much of the rest goes out the window when the game starts. The differnce this week is Forest were poor, so we could keep the ball better and support Afobe more. Rather than the usual, 1 man up top isolation. The big difference was that we actually had some structure in midfield, with each man knowing his job and sticking to it. Afobe actually bothering to chase stuff and challenge for headers and hold the ball up helped as well. Although the results haven’t shown it particularly, I’ve felt that from the West Brom game onwards the players seem to have taken on board some of the things Jones is clearly working on in training. What would be nice now is if we were able to play a relatively settled side between now and May and see some of these players really shine in readiness for next season. Baby steps but it feels to me that the players are buying into it.... |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2019 12:28:04 GMT
The big difference was that we actually had some structure in midfield, with each man knowing his job and sticking to it. Afobe actually bothering to chase stuff and challenge for headers and hold the ball up helped as well. Although the results haven’t shown it particularly, I’ve felt that from the West Brom game onwards the players seem to have taken on board some of the things Jones is clearly working on in training. What would be nice now is if we were able to play a relatively settled side between now and May and see some of these players really shine in readiness for next season. Baby steps but it feels to me that the players are buying into it.... Yeah I agree. The player that I thought that applied to the most, was Joe Allen, that was the most disciplined performance from him in a Stoke shirt I thought and can only assume that that came due to what Jones has been doing with him in training. I'd stick with the same XI too for the foreseeable but I'd have to swap Clucas and Bojan around. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 5, 2019 13:27:38 GMT
There’s quite a few quadrilaterals for Jones to choose from: I’d love him to come out in the press conference and say we’re going for an isosceles trapezium this week... Reminds me of a classic bit of football commentary when some dingbat showed a team attacking and had a graphic that linked the three forwards to demonstrate how they played in triangles. I was literally screaming at the telly pointing out that three points on a plane will occasionally form a line but would otherwise form a triangle while the dingbat of a commentator genuinely seemed to think they'd come up with some profound tactical insight. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 14:06:27 GMT
It looked like
Back 4
Clucas Allen Etebo
Ince Bojan
Afobe
NJ himself said something alone the lines of Ince and Bojan operating as two no. 10s behind Afobe.
I really like that though - a far cry from the extreme pragmatism of Rowett. Teething problems still but can only get better, especially with a specialist LB and some personnel tweaking to come in the summer.
Almost defo went 433 (maybe 41212) when Boj/Etebo went off and Charlie/McClean came on.
Edit: going forward, you'd hope for either that 4321 again, or 442 diamond with Vokes and Afobe up top and either Charlie or Woods at the base.
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 5, 2019 15:48:16 GMT
It was 433 but changed to 4-1-2-2-1 going forward as a diamond.If the players can get it very effective .But can they get it? I saw it the opposite way. I couldn't make out at first but to me, it looked more like we started with a 4-1-4-1 that morphed into 4-3-3 after Jimmy came on. Yeah I agree. The player that I thought that applied to the most, was Joe Allen, that was the most disciplined performance from him in a Stoke shirt I thought and can only assume that that came due to what Jones has been doing with him in training. I'd stick with the same XI too for the foreseeable but I'd have to swap Clucas and Bojan around. Yep, Allen was the holding midfielder and had a good game (as he did starting in the same position against Villa). I thought he conducted play really well, made decent tackles and showed more control on the ball than he did in the Villa game. Clucas was given licence to advance forward to support Afobe but when he did, I'm not sure he offered much. He seemed better sitting in midfield and also tackled well. This is why I also agree that NJ should experiment swapping Bojan and Clucas around for the next game. If Bojan doesn't perform and Clucas has another bad game on the left, then go back to how it was on Saturday... maybe ejecting Bojan altogether if Jimmy is better on the left. We all noticed Ince sprang to life after the substitutions. It seemed to coincide with the formation changing to to 4-3-3. |
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back to geometry for you 
