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Post by questionable on Feb 17, 2019 22:02:30 GMT
Enough is finally enough Saturday ringing loud and clear let’s get these imposters out of the club.
Obviously Little Jon seems to trust the poisonous pair, so if he wants to go with them so be it, he’s been a disaster himself with his approach
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 22:03:39 GMT
You do know you are literally asking for the manager to get the sack?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 22:03:57 GMT
Don’t disagree if people want to do it but Saturday will be about Gordon so you could maybe wait a week?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 22:14:34 GMT
Don’t disagree if people want to do it but Saturday will be about Gordon so you could maybe wait a week? Fair point. Would seem classless so soon after his parting, but the gruesome twosome need to know the buzzards are circling. And they are hungry. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 22:15:43 GMT
You do know you are literally asking for the manager to get the sack? Sadly for me I think NJ is going to be another casualty. But it may speed the demise of his bosses. I bloody hope so. |
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Post by sportsman on Feb 17, 2019 22:25:13 GMT
Bloody hell no. We really don't want to start all protest shit. We just need to get behind the team until the end of the season, when hopefully things will at last start to point in a strong, positive direction.
We really don't need any more negative shit until then.
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Post by Northy on Feb 17, 2019 22:27:27 GMT
Not yet, let's get some confidence in the players first.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 17, 2019 22:36:23 GMT
What a load of bollocks, protest about what, what is it they have done exactly, most the hatred towards Scholes is based on ill informed guess work, I'd be right with you if you had any proof that he's actually the one thats been signing the players or whatever, whats so poisonous about them, Cartwright is a glorified pen pusher/middle man and I've seen nothing to justify the hatred.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 23:27:12 GMT
What a load of bollocks, protest about what, what is it they have done exactly, most the hatred towards Scholes is based on ill informed guess work, I'd be right with you if you had any proof that he's actually the one thats been signing the players or whatever, whats so poisonous about them, Cartwright is a glorified pen pusher/middle man and I've seen nothing to justify the hatred. Informed guesswork maybe. But 4 managers in 12 months tells you something isn't functioning upstairs. Here is a suggestion, instead of sacking managers lets try just for once sacking another cog in the wheel to see if that works. Scholes and Carto are effectively the managers boss so why not just for once get rid of one of them and see if it works. Or we can keep sacking managers and watch the mess get even bigger. Eventually you get to a point where you have to try something different. I just wish it had happened already. It's total madness. |
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Post by Absolution on Feb 17, 2019 23:36:42 GMT
What a load of bollocks, protest about what, what is it they have done exactly, most the hatred towards Scholes is based on ill informed guess work, I'd be right with you if you had any proof that he's actually the one thats been signing the players or whatever, whats so poisonous about them, Cartwright is a glorified pen pusher/middle man and I've seen nothing to justify the hatred. Informed guesswork maybe. But 4 managers in 12 months tells you something isn't functioning upstairs. Here is a suggestion, instead of sacking managers lets try just for once sacking another cog in the wheel to see if that works. Scholes and Carto are effectively the managers boss so why not just for once get rid of one of them and see if it works. Or we can keep sacking managers and watch the mess get even bigger. Eventually you get to a point where you have to try something different. I just wish it had happened already. It's total madness. You can't just try to get someone sacked based on informed guesswork or just to try something different, particularly when the people who employ them appear happy with them. I don't understand how the hell they're still at the club either, but I've no idea how the club's run, and who does what. I'm not sure now is the best time to be demonstrating anyway. Maybe once we're safe. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 17, 2019 23:49:36 GMT
Personally I think we should protest against the tea lady, I have it on good authority that she changed from Tetley's to PG tips just before Hughes lost the plot, using oatcake logic its clear this is where the problems lie.
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Post by 4evastoke on Feb 17, 2019 23:51:09 GMT
As far as a lot of stokies are concerned me included Saturday is all about Banksie
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 17, 2019 23:52:56 GMT
As someone who stormed the pitch when we lost 7 to Birmingham that day, there is no reason to protest at the owners or chief exec or fat boy cartwright.
The owners have backed successive managers and will back Jones. We are in this mess because hughes and now rowett signed a lot of shit players.
Jones will have the funds he needs to put out the team he wants next season. Everyone should calm down and back this manager.
I don't like what is happening with bojan but regardless, this manager needs to be given time
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 17, 2019 23:53:54 GMT
What a load of bollocks, protest about what, what is it they have done exactly, most the hatred towards Scholes is based on ill informed guess work, I'd be right with you if you had any proof that he's actually the one thats been signing the players or whatever, whats so poisonous about them, Cartwright is a glorified pen pusher/middle man and I've seen nothing to justify the hatred. Informed guesswork maybe. But 4 managers in 12 months tells you something isn't functioning upstairs. Here is a suggestion, instead of sacking managers lets try just for once sacking another cog in the wheel to see if that works. Scholes and Carto are effectively the managers boss so why not just for once get rid of one of them and see if it works. Or we can keep sacking managers and watch the mess get even bigger. Eventually you get to a point where you have to try something different. I just wish it had happened already. It's total madness. So you're suggesting keep sacking people for no reason until something changes, it doesn't work like that, the problem needs to be found and it was last season, we sacked Hughes who bought some shocking players, unfortunately what he did buying awful players on big money will take a few seasons to rectify. Its crap but thats how it is, Rowett didn't help things either. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 18, 2019 0:18:17 GMT
Personally I think we should protest against the tea lady, I have it on good authority that she changed from Tetley's to PG tips just before Hughes lost the plot, using oatcake logic its clear this is where the problems lie. Fucking spot on mate. That tea lady is a cancer within our great club (probably, I've no way of knowing but you said it on the Internet now so it instantly becomes an immutable fact). I've also heard that she's the reason that Bojan isn't playing as she's been making false allegations that the little Spaniard keeps pissing in the tea urn. The sooner we mobilise to oust her the sooner we'll get back to where we truly belong. |
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Post by 3putts on Feb 18, 2019 0:54:33 GMT
Another clueless moron trying to wind fans up I wonder how many games the op has actually attended? My guess is zero
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 18, 2019 1:09:36 GMT
What a load of bollocks, protest about what, what is it they have done exactly, most the hatred towards Scholes is based on ill informed guess work, I'd be right with you if you had any proof that he's actually the one thats been signing the players or whatever, whats so poisonous about them, Cartwright is a glorified pen pusher/middle man and I've seen nothing to justify the hatred. I don't believe it to be 'ill informed guess work' to suggest that the updated contracts for some players to retain their PL salaries was a unmitigated disaster, no one can persuade me that any of the fuckers deserved that. Creating an unnecessary layer to an already multi layered pay scheme is grossly negligent in our situation and Scholes should pay heavily for organising and sanctioning it. Cartwrights fishing pond for new recruits is too small and it seems that if requested players are not in it we have very little chance to seal deals, but the alternatives that are there are pretty poor. Our scouting and recruitment needs a massive shakeup if we want to turn the clock back 4 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 2:24:39 GMT
What a load of bollocks, protest about what, what is it they have done exactly, most the hatred towards Scholes is based on ill informed guess work, I'd be right with you if you had any proof that he's actually the one thats been signing the players or whatever, whats so poisonous about them, Cartwright is a glorified pen pusher/middle man and I've seen nothing to justify the hatred. Scholes and Carto are effectively the managers boss . Carto is the manager's boss?
You will need to give some more information as to how you have arrived at that conclusion!
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Post by callas12 on Feb 18, 2019 2:44:05 GMT
It's simple, forget this unfounded who do we blame culture with no direct evidence to link the accused, if you step back and look at things it's obvious. I really think we need to protest about Macron - The kit manufacturers not the French President! Our downward spiral began after employing this company to produce our kits & a few on here have already been picking up on this.. Started in similar style to when Aston Villa turned to Macron, caused them to lose they're 100% Premier League participation record after a season or so of struggle wearing Macron kits! I don't think we should have ever left New Balance but we did & look where we are!
Worryingly I'm sure we're contracted to another 1 if not 2 seasons with Macron, things may get worse before they get better!
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Post by Waggy on Feb 18, 2019 6:08:09 GMT
It's simple, forget this unfounded who do we blame culture with no direct evidence to link the accused, if you step back and look at things it's obvious. I really think we need to protest about Macron - The kit manufacturers not the French President! Our downward spiral began after employing this company to produce our kits & a few on here have already been picking up on this.. Started in similar style to when Aston Villa turned to Macron, caused them to lose they're 100% Premier League participation record after a season or so of struggle wearing Macron kits! I don't think we should have ever left New Balance but we did & look where we are! Worryingly I'm sure we're contracted to another 1 if not 2 seasons with Macron, things may get worse before they get better! I don't like President Macron |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 6:17:04 GMT
Bloody hell no. We really don't want to start all protest shit. We just need to get behind the team until the end of the season, when hopefully things will at last start to point in a strong, positive direction. We really don't need any more negative shit until then. The club will take of that all by themselves; plenty of more shit to come. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 18, 2019 6:58:11 GMT
What a load of bollocks, protest about what, what is it they have done exactly, most the hatred towards Scholes is based on ill informed guess work, I'd be right with you if you had any proof that he's actually the one thats been signing the players or whatever, whats so poisonous about them, Cartwright is a glorified pen pusher/middle man and I've seen nothing to justify the hatred. I don't believe it to be 'ill informed guess work' to suggest that the updated contracts for some players to retain their PL salaries was a unmitigated disaster, no one can persuade me that any of the fuckers deserved that. Creating an unnecessary layer to an already multi layered pay scheme is grossly negligent in our situation and Scholes should pay heavily for organising and sanctioning it. Cartwrights fishing pond for new recruits is too small and it seems that if requested players are not in it we have very little chance to seal deals, but the alternatives that are there are pretty poor. Our scouting and recruitment needs a massive shakeup if we want to turn the clock back 4 years. So the players Rowett wanted were in this pond, presumably? And Bojan and Arnie and Shaqiri were in it before that? I think you’re right that Cartwright’s contact book probably isn’t the biggest and we’ve paid (again) for a lack of vision in making the appointment. But that doesn’t mean the role itself is unnecessary or that there’s a barrier to the manager signing players he wants. We need someone competent in that role and the CEO role for sure, but I don’t quite see the ‘we won’t get anywhere until they go’ argument because, even if in all likelihood it’s in spite of them, we have got somewhere with them - Scholes didn’t stop us getting promoted and getting into Europe, the two of them didn’t stop us achieving our highest league finishes for 40 years. Get the right manager in place and I don’t see why we can’t be back on the right track. |
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Post by elvisisastokie on Feb 18, 2019 7:05:20 GMT
Yet more evidence of certain parts of support making things worse fuck me shouting for patience and now wanting everyone sacked we all knew this season wasnt going to be how we wanted after the first game at Leeds come on get behind them
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Post by werrington on Feb 18, 2019 7:09:13 GMT
I don't believe it to be 'ill informed guess work' to suggest that the updated contracts for some players to retain their PL salaries was a unmitigated disaster, no one can persuade me that any of the fuckers deserved that. Creating an unnecessary layer to an already multi layered pay scheme is grossly negligent in our situation and Scholes should pay heavily for organising and sanctioning it. Cartwrights fishing pond for new recruits is too small and it seems that if requested players are not in it we have very little chance to seal deals, but the alternatives that are there are pretty poor. Our scouting and recruitment needs a massive shakeup if we want to turn the clock back 4 years. So the players Rowett wanted were in this pond, presumably? And Bojan and Arnie and Shaqiri were in it before that? I think you’re right that Cartwright’s contact book probably isn’t the biggest and we’ve paid (again) for a lack of vision in making the appointment. But that doesn’t mean the role itself is unnecessary or that there’s a barrier to the manager signing players he wants. We need someone competent in that role and the CEO role for sure, but I don’t quite see the ‘we won’t get anywhere until they go’ argument because, even if in all likelihood it’s in spite of them, we have got somewhere with them - Scholes didn’t stop us getting promoted and getting into Europe, the two of them didn’t stop us achieving our highest league finishes for 40 years. Get the right manager in place and I don’t see why we can’t be back on the right track. It’s no good pointing it out mate It’s a kangaroo court mentality on here, I certainly don’t get the shit Scholes gets in regards player recruitment as he’s just a contract sorter etc etc not a spotter Were they both in that defence and watch the Ipswich player climb high around them for that equaliser go in Saturday and have they missed 11 penalties ( or whatever it is ) in the last two years They just need somebody to lash out at....to do this will send out the wrong message to Jones and he needs time to sort this utter fucking shambles out I’m out |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 7:21:07 GMT
So the players Rowett wanted were in this pond, presumably? And Bojan and Arnie and Shaqiri were in it before that? I think you’re right that Cartwright’s contact book probably isn’t the biggest and we’ve paid (again) for a lack of vision in making the appointment. But that doesn’t mean the role itself is unnecessary or that there’s a barrier to the manager signing players he wants. We need someone competent in that role and the CEO role for sure, but I don’t quite see the ‘we won’t get anywhere until they go’ argument because, even if in all likelihood it’s in spite of them, we have got somewhere with them - Scholes didn’t stop us getting promoted and getting into Europe, the two of them didn’t stop us achieving our highest league finishes for 40 years. Get the right manager in place and I don’t see why we can’t be back on the right track. It’s no good pointing it out mate It’s a kangaroo court mentality on here, I certainly don’t get the shit Scholes gets in regards player recruitment as he’s just a contract sorter etc etc not a spotter Were they both in that defence and watch the Ipswich player climb high around them for that equaliser go in Saturday and have they missed 11 penalties ( or whatever it is ) in the last two years They just need somebody to lash out at....to do this will send out the wrong message to Jones and he needs time to sort this utter fucking shambles out I’m out You are 100% right Wez, but what doesn't help is when the CEO does a 180 degree spin on things like sell on clauses for Steven NZonzi. Years ago he was quoted as saying that there wasn't a sell on clause and went as far as saying that Sevilla were difficult to work with and used it as an excuse for there not being one. Some years later he just chucks into a radio interview that there was a sell on clause after all and then moves on unchallenged to the next question. It's things like that that feed suspicion and ill feeling. Once that threshold has been crossed, what exactly can you believe about anything that comes out of the club? |
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 18, 2019 7:35:06 GMT
I don't believe it to be 'ill informed guess work' to suggest that the updated contracts for some players to retain their PL salaries was a unmitigated disaster, no one can persuade me that any of the fuckers deserved that. Creating an unnecessary layer to an already multi layered pay scheme is grossly negligent in our situation and Scholes should pay heavily for organising and sanctioning it. Cartwrights fishing pond for new recruits is too small and it seems that if requested players are not in it we have very little chance to seal deals, but the alternatives that are there are pretty poor. Our scouting and recruitment needs a massive shakeup if we want to turn the clock back 4 years. So the players Rowett wanted were in this pond, presumably? And Bojan and Arnie and Shaqiri were in it before that? I think you’re right that Cartwright’s contact book probably isn’t the biggest and we’ve paid (again) for a lack of vision in making the appointment. But that doesn’t mean the role itself is unnecessary or that there’s a barrier to the manager signing players he wants. We need someone competent in that role and the CEO role for sure, but I don’t quite see the ‘we won’t get anywhere until they go’ argument because, even if in all likelihood it’s in spite of them, we have got somewhere with them - Scholes didn’t stop us getting promoted and getting into Europe, the two of them didn’t stop us achieving our highest league finishes for 40 years. Get the right manager in place and I don’t see why we can’t be back on the right track. I believe his pond shrunk significantly after several catches outside turned out to be rotten (Imbula etc) and as made him very wary of fishing outside his comfort zone since. Dont think I suggested doing away with role all together just a far better personnel to carry it out. We were 3 pts from staying up last season 3 fucking pts. And we only got that close to survival because of one player. Now apparently I hear that Lambert requested a viewing of Bojan last January but the request was blocked, only one person could of blocked this request so yes I believe that the CEO was in some way responsible for us failing to gain the 3 pts. It may not have made any difference but blocking the move made sure that door was sealed never to be opened |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 18, 2019 8:01:04 GMT
So the players Rowett wanted were in this pond, presumably? And Bojan and Arnie and Shaqiri were in it before that? I think you’re right that Cartwright’s contact book probably isn’t the biggest and we’ve paid (again) for a lack of vision in making the appointment. But that doesn’t mean the role itself is unnecessary or that there’s a barrier to the manager signing players he wants. We need someone competent in that role and the CEO role for sure, but I don’t quite see the ‘we won’t get anywhere until they go’ argument because, even if in all likelihood it’s in spite of them, we have got somewhere with them - Scholes didn’t stop us getting promoted and getting into Europe, the two of them didn’t stop us achieving our highest league finishes for 40 years. Get the right manager in place and I don’t see why we can’t be back on the right track. I believe his pond shrunk significantly after several catches outside turned out to be rotten (Imbula etc) and as made him very wary of fishing outside his comfort zone since. Dont think I suggested doing away with role all together just a far better personnel to carry it out. We were 3 pts from staying up last season 3 fucking pts. And we only got that close to survival because of one player. Now apparently I hear that Lambert requested a viewing of Bojan last January but the request was blocked, only one person could of blocked this request so yes I believe that the CEO was in some way responsible for us failing to gain the 3 pts. It may not have made any difference but blocking the move made sure that door was sealed never to be opened That’s gossip though isn’t it? Psst, ast ‘earths, thee reckon stuff. Lambert went full on defensive and wouldn’t even have creative players on the bench, he trusted attacking full backs so much he played them on the wing or not at all, are supposed to believe he wanted Bojan back? Seems unlikely. And are we saying that Imbula made the club’s transfer policy do a complete 180 2.5 years later? Is it not more likely that these were largely players the incumbent manager wanted? There’s far more evidence to suggest so. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 18, 2019 8:03:39 GMT
Tony getting the blame again I see, piss poor support.
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Post by werrington on Feb 18, 2019 8:07:31 GMT
It’s no good pointing it out mate It’s a kangaroo court mentality on here, I certainly don’t get the shit Scholes gets in regards player recruitment as he’s just a contract sorter etc etc not a spotter Were they both in that defence and watch the Ipswich player climb high around them for that equaliser go in Saturday and have they missed 11 penalties ( or whatever it is ) in the last two years They just need somebody to lash out at....to do this will send out the wrong message to Jones and he needs time to sort this utter fucking shambles out I’m out You are 100% right Wez, but what doesn't help is when the CEO does a 180 degree spin on things like sell on clauses for Steven NZonzi. Years ago he was quoted as saying that there wasn't a sell on clause and went as far as saying that Sevilla were difficult to work with and used it as an excuse for there not being one. Some years later he just chucks into a radio interview that there was a sell on clause after all and then moves on unchallenged to the next question. It's things like that that feed suspicion and ill feeling. Once that threshold has been crossed, what exactly can you believe about anything that comes out of the club? Maybes mate That in itself isn’t a hanging offence though....I’m neither defending them both or slaughtering them I’m just puzzled how it seems they are 100% to blame for all of this current mess? Surely it’s 95% Hughes and Rowett |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 8:15:08 GMT
You are 100% right Wez, but what doesn't help is when the CEO does a 180 degree spin on things like sell on clauses for Steven NZonzi. Years ago he was quoted as saying that there wasn't a sell on clause and went as far as saying that Sevilla were difficult to work with and used it as an excuse for there not being one. Some years later he just chucks into a radio interview that there was a sell on clause after all and then moves on unchallenged to the next question. It's things like that that feed suspicion and ill feeling. Once that threshold has been crossed, what exactly can you believe about anything that comes out of the club? Maybes mate That in itself isn’t a hanging offence though....I’m neither defending them both or slaughtering them I’m just puzzled how it seems they are 100% to blame for all of this current mess? Surely it’s 95% Hughes and Rowett I'm 100% with you and Rob with this, with you in where the blame lies and with Rob about modern scouting and the Technical Director role. I just can't look past what Scholes has said over N'Zonzi and can't help treating his words going forward with the same verve as I do those of the Sun newspaper.
Any protest now though is just stupid. Nathan Jones just needs leaving well alone for the next 12-18 months to get on with the job at hand, and what a huge job it is.
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