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Post by stokeuk474 on Feb 17, 2019 20:22:22 GMT
One shining light from this shit show of a season. Played well yesterday.
Hes still a bit raw and needs to learn, but it's clear to see that he's got ability. Even at right back he's probably our most composed and technically sound footballer.
I think Jones likes him, and sees him as one he can mould into his ideal full back, just need to sort left back now.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 17, 2019 20:26:04 GMT
Desperately average
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 20:26:43 GMT
Clucas did well at LB yesterday as far as I’m concerned, him and McClean looked good down the left.
Edwards played well, Ince didn’t offer anything in front of him though (and we have nobody else who can play there - well maybe Mame but that’s clutching at straws).
I think Edwards will be first choice under NJ unless he brings someone new in, I can’t see Bauer making the cut.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 20:27:48 GMT
I like him. And considering he is trying to forge a career against the current toxic background makes his achievements all the more impressive. I wish him all the best.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Feb 17, 2019 20:28:31 GMT
Great contribution 👍 Cheers
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Post by telfordstoke on Feb 17, 2019 20:30:44 GMT
From what I’ve seen, he did ok and will hopefully start against Villa
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 20:34:45 GMT
I am really pleased about this thread
He's becoming more composed and more confident
I like him
He was excellent
As was the more experienced Clucas
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 17, 2019 21:17:12 GMT
Given his age thats a pretty good starting point, plenty of time for him to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 21:18:49 GMT
Young player gets game time and steadily improves.
Who'd a thunk it?
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 17, 2019 21:21:32 GMT
Says it all about where we are. focussing on a raw talent when the bigger guns are doing fuck all. the lad should be able to play his way in over a couple of seasons whilst the senior players are earning their wages and helping him. Stoke is broken
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 17, 2019 21:37:28 GMT
Great contribution 👍 Cheers I hope he does well but if he wasn't from Stoke he wouldn't get half the praise he does. Truthfully I don't think he'll be competent enough for a Jones wingback but I'd be ecstatic if he proved me wrong. Fair point above about Tom Ince offering him absolutely fuck all support.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Feb 17, 2019 21:53:14 GMT
Great contribution 👍 Cheers I hope he does well but if he wasn't from Stoke he wouldn't get half the praise he does. Truthfully I don't think he'll be competent enough for a Jones wingback but I'd be ecstatic if he proved me wrong. Fair point above about Tom Ince offering him absolutely fuck all support. Its nothing to do with the fact that he's a local lad, I couldn't care less where he's from. But he genuinely looks composed on the ball, he's one of a very few who is able to put his foot on the ball, and is aware of what's going on around him. He can dribble, he's got close control, he can cross a ball, and is comfortable on the ball, doesn't get flustered under pressure. That is saying something as someone else alluded to, considering the players around him.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 21:53:28 GMT
Says it all about where we are. focussing on a raw talent when the bigger guns are doing fuck all. the lad should be able to play his way in over a couple of seasons whilst the senior players are earning their wages and helping him. Stoke is broken It says everything, well pointed out.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 17, 2019 22:08:57 GMT
I was very harsh on edwards after the qpr game but I have to say I've seen a couple of very good performances from him and he's improving under jones.
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Post by stokie23 on Feb 17, 2019 22:50:00 GMT
Great contribution 👍 Cheers I hope he does well but if he wasn't from Stoke he wouldn't get half the praise he does. Truthfully I don't think he'll be competent enough for a Jones wingback but I'd be ecstatic if he proved me wrong. Fair point above about Tom Ince offering him absolutely fuck all support. I had Ipswich’s commentary on my live stream through IPTV. They were well impressed with him, mentioned him a few times especially when he didn’t have a pass on and run forward into space 👍
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 17, 2019 23:12:04 GMT
As I posted on another thread earlier. Edwards reminds me of the old days of FBs like Pejic, Bentley, and Marsh. (Tony Allen playing for England at LB aged 19 in 1959 is before my time as a fan.)
He is just 20 and there can be few English 20 year old FBs better than Edwards. Stoke have a strong tradition of producing LBs.
He will still make mistakes as he learns his trade and people need to be patient and not expect too much too soon.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 17, 2019 23:14:07 GMT
As I posted on another thread earlier. Edwards reminds me of the old days of FBs like Pejic, Bentley, and Marsh. (Tony Allen playing for England at LB aged 19 in 1959 is before my time as a fan.) He is just 20 and there can be few English 20 year old FBs better than Edwards. Stoke have a strong tradition of producing LBs. He will still make mistakes as he learns his trade and people need to be patient and not expect too much too soon. A sage understanding. Spot on.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 18, 2019 2:33:28 GMT
Just the fact that he is developing - in trying circumstances - rather than regressing is massively positive for one of our young players. I think he's good. Superb delivery on occasion too, he could really hone that.
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Post by stonescfc on Feb 18, 2019 5:46:49 GMT
He’s the best crosser of a ball in the club. Problem is when you only have Sam Volks to aim for teams will defend that all day long.
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Post by MrFlirty on Feb 18, 2019 8:27:59 GMT
Maybe because he’s young and still learning, he is more willing to listen and learn from the manager and hence the improvement. The older , experienced ones maybe not so keen to be told what to do
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 18, 2019 8:39:01 GMT
He just needs a consistent run of games. For me he's in until the end of the season. We cant keep dropping him every time he makes a mistake, he needs the confidence of a good run of games.
He'll develop into a very good right back.
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Post by jontimmis on Feb 18, 2019 9:27:31 GMT
We keep banging on about clucas at left backs didn’t we sign him as a midfielder!?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 18, 2019 11:37:52 GMT
Hes going to be raw. Certainly things like positioning can only come through experience and good coaching. Hopefully in Jones we have somebody who will give him the time and coaching he needs to recognise his potential.
He also needs strong leadership as part of a settled defensive unit not something that constantly changed as much as it has done for the last 2/3 years.
I wished we'd got another Edwards for the left hand side.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 18, 2019 11:47:13 GMT
Better than the majority then 👍
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Post by sd22 on Feb 18, 2019 11:47:43 GMT
Last year in the premier league, I thought he was great, even during his numerous baptisms of fire, a shining light in shit show.
At the beginning of this season, at games, I vented my anger about his defensive weaknesses, and especially at the QPR game, lack of quality at set pieces. After the dust had settled, I realised, he’s younger than me (being a ‘young’un’ myself) and the poor set pieces made sense, pressure was on trying to get a late winner after chucking a lead away to a poor QPR team, maybe these last set pieces should’ve been taken by an experienced player.
Over the past 4 weeks, after having a steady run of games and not having his confidence broken by being dropped by Martina of all players, he exites me going forward with the ball as his first time delivery is excellent and is learning quickly regarding the defensive part of his game and the physicality of the championship.
We MUST keep him in the summer if we are to progress next year.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 18, 2019 11:48:25 GMT
We keep banging on about clucas at left backs didn’t we sign him as a midfielder!? Yes, and Jones has already put on record that he is only a stop gap, he is better in midfield, and we will be looking for a permanent for the LB position
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 18, 2019 13:01:32 GMT
As I posted on another thread earlier. Edwards reminds me of the old days of FBs like Pejic, Bentley, and Marsh. (Tony Allen playing for England at LB aged 19 in 1959 is before my time as a fan.) He is just 20 and there can be few English 20 year old FBs better than Edwards. Stoke have a strong tradition of producing LBs. He will still make mistakes as he learns his trade and people need to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Excellent comments. I would also add Lee Dixon to that list of past good/great fullbacks. More than anyone - and I watched his career from start to finish - he reminds me of a young Jackie Marsh. At 20 years of age, Edwards has a great future in front of him if he continues to progress, and in this current setup he's a bright light in a morass of darkness. Hopefully, Jones will persevere with him even if he has the odd offday occasionally. OS.
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Post by eddyclamp on Feb 18, 2019 13:10:25 GMT
As I posted on another thread earlier. Edwards reminds me of the old days of FBs like Pejic, Bentley, and Marsh. (Tony Allen playing for England at LB aged 19 in 1959 is before my time as a fan.) He is just 20 and there can be few English 20 year old FBs better than Edwards. Stoke have a strong tradition of producing LBs. He will still make mistakes as he learns his trade and people need to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Excellent comments. I would also add Lee Dixon to that list of past good/great fullbacks. More than anyone - and I watched his career from start to finish - he reminds me of a young Jackie Marsh. At 20 years of age, Edwards has a great future in front of him if he continues to progress, and in this current setup he's a bright light in a morass of darkness. Hopefully, Jones will persevere with him even if he has the odd offday occasionally. OS. Agree with everything here. Edwards will end up at a club a lot bigger than Stoke. he might even be prised away in the summer.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 18, 2019 13:15:34 GMT
Some idiot at Bolton away behind me was constantly ranting that Martina was better than him and he should be playing League 2. He's young and makes some mistakes but give it a few years and if we're lucky to still have him I reckon he'll be a pivotal player for us.
I genuinely wonder what some fans see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 13:16:47 GMT
As I posted on another thread earlier. Edwards reminds me of the old days of FBs like Pejic, Bentley, and Marsh. (Tony Allen playing for England at LB aged 19 in 1959 is before my time as a fan.) He is just 20 and there can be few English 20 year old FBs better than Edwards. Stoke have a strong tradition of producing LBs. He will still make mistakes as he learns his trade and people need to be patient and not expect too much too soon. Excellent comments. I would also add Lee Dixon to that list of past good/great fullbacks. More than anyone - and I watched his career from start to finish - he reminds me of a young Jackie Marsh. At 20 years of age, Edwards has a great future in front of him if he continues to progress, and in this current setup he's a bright light in a morass of darkness. Hopefully, Jones will persevere with him even if he has the odd offday occasionally. OS. He has ability , he could do really well .
Brian Clough used to say " I believe in two things , Jesus Christ and me "
If he believes in himself , he could be a really good player .
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