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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 20:34:49 GMT
Players are wank and dont fit anything
I'd therefore like to see a total football approach.
Just tell the 10 go out and do whatever like a big game at school.
Will be entertaining at least
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 20:34:55 GMT
Probably 4231 but I prefer us to try the diamond.
Butland
Edwards Batth BMI Clucas
Woods Etebo
Ince Bojan McClean
Vokes
Or
Butland
Edwards Batth BMI Clucas
Woods
Etebo Adam
Bojan
Berahino Vokes
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Post by stantheman on Feb 17, 2019 22:11:18 GMT
Adam & Bojan to start, and as for the rest- I'm not really arsed anymore I feel like etebo pretty much exempt from many of the accusations against the others. Ok, so we're buiding a starting 11 for Villa Bojan Adam Etebo Diouf Nathan - you know it makes sense |
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Post by musik on Feb 17, 2019 22:11:46 GMT
10-0-0
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 17, 2019 22:16:28 GMT
2-3-5,attack attack attack.  |
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Post by marylandstoke on Feb 17, 2019 23:36:35 GMT
It’s a trick question.
Is the answer water polo?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 0:00:40 GMT
Without a doubt its 3-5-2 and we have cover in all positions:
Butland/Federici
Bauer/Edwards
Tymon/Clucas/McLean
Williams/Batth/Shawcross/Souttar/BMI
Allen/Etebo/Woods/Sorenson
Bojan/Ince
Vokes/Berahino/Afobe
The ONLY player you shoehorn into a position is McLean at LWB. All the others are fine.
My starters would be
Butland
Edwards
Batth
Williams
BMI
Clucas
Allen
Etebo
Bojan
Vokes
Berahino
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Post by Bagwash on Feb 18, 2019 1:07:51 GMT
Count me in Trick. They seemed to get it vs Leeds. Or even a 343 with Bojan as a sort of False 9 with Vokes and Berahino working off him, a route through the middle as well as being fed by the wing backs.. On paper, done well. Thats another mystery,why change the formation that did so well against Leeds? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 18, 2019 2:42:16 GMT
I like the 3-5-2 myself, because I think it suits more of our players than other formations. For instance, I think Vokes needs a strike partner, and Adam gets protection in midfield, allowing him to stretch teams with his passing. The "Jones plays the diamond" counter doesn't really hold up because he has already diverted from it. Also, I don't think the current squad is suited to it. Another reason I think 3-5-2 is our bet, is that we actually have the wing back options for it, now. Vokes needs crosses to thrive, and they could supply them. An added bonus, is that it might be better to watch, if played right! Thoughts? Ordinarily, I'd say no to that because I genuinely believe that if you're going to play three at the back, then all three of your center backs need to be pretty athletic, with a good turn of pace because they have to cover far more ground than when they sit as a pair at the heart of a back four. However all things being equal and with the predicament we find ourselves in, then I completely agree with you, for all the very good reasons that you've articulated. It has to be 352 all the way until he gets the players he needs in the summer and they have a full pre season to bed in. I'd really like to see Diouf involved too, I think he'd thrive under Jones. |
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Post by silverdollar on Feb 18, 2019 16:56:25 GMT
Ordinarily, I'd say no to that because I genuinely believe that if you're going to play three at the back, then all three of your center backs need to be pretty athletic, with a good turn of pace because they have to cover far more ground than when they sit as a pair at the heart of a back four. However all things being equal and with the predicament we find ourselves in, then I completely agree with you, for all the very good reasons that you've articulated. It has to be 352 all the way until he gets the players he needs in the summer and they have a full pre season to bed in. I'd really like to see Diouf involved too, I think he'd thrive under Jones. Diouf is presently under Jones and it is very clear that he is not thriving! He's not even playing! |
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Post by jontimmis on Feb 18, 2019 17:01:13 GMT
I think our formation needs to have at least 7 defenders and at least 10 up front!
Can we write to the FA and have an exemption cos we’re so shit?
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Post by stroller on Feb 18, 2019 17:04:50 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 18, 2019 18:05:05 GMT
Probably 4231 but I prefer us to try the diamond. Butland Edwards Batth BMI Clucas Woods Etebo Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Or Butland Edwards Batth BMI Clucas Woods Etebo Adam Bojan Berahino Vokes I agree, 4-2-3-1 4: Edwards, Baath, BMI, Clucas 2: Allen, Etebo 3: Ince, Bojan/Afobe*, McClean 1: Afobe/Vokes * Note that Afobe can also play as a slightly deeper secondary striker as well as main centre-forward. That may get the best from Vokes, as I'm not convinced Vokes can play as a striker up front. If Afobe is chosen up front on his own, then play Bojan behind him instead. |
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Post by emery1985 on Feb 18, 2019 23:54:59 GMT
Lined up against a wall in front of a firing squad :/
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 19, 2019 18:58:55 GMT
We'd do better playing 352 but I think Jones should continue with the diamond formation in order to establish it for next season. This season is a write off and trying to keep the fans happy with a few more wins isn't going to help long term. Jones should ignore the fans - and their endless whinging - and crack on doing with doing what he believes is best for the club in the long term. And the owners should ignore the inevitable calls for his head as the team continue to struggle to adapt to his preferred style of play,
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 19, 2019 19:13:02 GMT
I think a classic 4 4 2 would suit our players best right now.
....................Butland...................
Bauer.......Batth............Indi........Clucas
...............Allen......Adam................
Ince.....................................Etebo
..................Diouf..Vokes................
Subs: Federici, Shawcross, Edwards, Woods, McClean, Afobe.
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 19, 2019 19:23:14 GMT
I hate to write this, but that entity from Manchester who dress in Red proved beyond doubt that the Diamond formation works, they have quickly learned how to play this way because they have players who respect the Manager, they have stamina and they have speed ! Unfortunately for ourselves we have a team that has none of these qualities.
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Post by laneendstokie on Feb 19, 2019 19:53:20 GMT
I hate to write this, but that entity from Manchester who dress in Red proved beyond doubt that the Diamond formation works, they have quickly learned how to play this way because they have players who respect the Manager, they have stamina and they have speed ! Unfortunately for ourselves we have a team that has none of these qualities. I find it difficult to believe that Solskjaer is any more tactically aware than Jones so having a squad of players who have pride and the right professional attitude must be the answer, therefore until we can ship out the rabble who maskerade as professional footballers it won't make a scooby what formation we play |
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 19, 2019 19:55:54 GMT
I like the 3-5-2 myself, because I think it suits more of our players than other formations. For instance, I think Vokes needs a strike partner, and Adam gets protection in midfield, allowing him to stretch teams with his passing. The "Jones plays the diamond" counter doesn't really hold up because he has already diverted from it. Also, I don't think the current squad is suited to it. Another reason I think 3-5-2 is our best bet, is that we actually have the wing back options for it, now. Vokes needs crosses to thrive, and they could supply them. An added bonus, is that it might be better to watch, if played right! Thoughts? In front of a firing squad?  |
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 19, 2019 20:06:03 GMT
532 with a couple of new faces?
Butland
Collins
Batth
Martins Indi
Edwards
Sorensen
Etebo
Allen
McClean
Bojan
Vokes
Subs: Federici, Tymon, Shenton, Woods, Verlinden, Diouf, Jarvis
I've had enough of the likes of Clucas, Ince, Afobe, Saido and all the other mard arse, bed wetting, sulking, namby pamby posers masquerading as footballers. Give the kids a go.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 19, 2019 22:02:00 GMT
I hate to write this, but that entity from Manchester who dress in Red proved beyond doubt that the Diamond formation works, they have quickly learned how to play this way because they have players who respect the Manager, they have stamina and they have speed ! Unfortunately for ourselves we have a team that has none of these qualities. Some other differences - they have some of the best players in Europe who were under achieving because they'd lost faith in their previous manager. Our squad is no where near that good and while the previous manager had lost the fans there is no evidence he'd lost the players, Our squad needs a complete rebuild to deal with the realities of being a newly relegated side. The team in red were in a better place and needed firing up - we need to scorch, burn and rebuild from the bottom up. The diamond formation may put us back up there - but not with these players. |
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Post by basingstokie on Feb 19, 2019 22:26:19 GMT
You've got to assume most (all) of our strikers couldn't hit a cows ass with a banjo, so no point playing any of them. Our midfield couldn't create a chance if their life depended on it.
Each game starts 0-0, so given the above we should just try and protect that, so
5-5-0 with all the midfield being defensively minded
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 19, 2019 22:41:43 GMT
5-6-3 we might actually win a game then.....maybe not
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Post by whatsashig on Feb 19, 2019 22:42:39 GMT
It dunt matter, they are so void of confidence any formation reverts to not making mistakes , watching a game from the stands you see opportunities for players to make a telling pass and they don’t. No trust in themselves and also no trust in the recipient of the pass.
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 20, 2019 1:33:47 GMT
I hate to write this, but that entity from Manchester who dress in Red proved beyond doubt that the Diamond formation works, they have quickly learned how to play this way because they have players who respect the Manager, they have stamina and they have speed ! Unfortunately for ourselves we have a team that has none of these qualities. Some other differences - they have some of the best players in Europe who were under achieving because they'd lost faith in their previous manager. Our squad is no where near that good and while the previous manager had lost the fans there is no evidence he'd lost the players, Our squad needs a complete rebuild to deal with the realities of being a newly relegated side. The team in red were in a better place and needed firing up - we need to scorch, burn and rebuild from the bottom up. The diamond formation may put us back up there - but not with these players. Instead of purchasing players that have reached the Premier League and then crashed and burned due to lack of quality, we should be looking at players from the other end of the spectrum. Players that have a desire and motivation to firstly conquer the championship and then with a chance to flourish in the Premier, wouldn’t it be wise also to try to forge some links with our Premier League neighbours e.g Liverpool, Everton whom we have had recent dealings with, and both have a good reputation with their youngsters ? We should never be too proud to borrow what we can’t afford ! |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 20, 2019 8:20:11 GMT
Some other differences - they have some of the best players in Europe who were under achieving because they'd lost faith in their previous manager. Our squad is no where near that good and while the previous manager had lost the fans there is no evidence he'd lost the players, Our squad needs a complete rebuild to deal with the realities of being a newly relegated side. The team in red were in a better place and needed firing up - we need to scorch, burn and rebuild from the bottom up. The diamond formation may put us back up there - but not with these players. Instead of purchasing players that have reached the Premier League and then crashed and burned due to lack of quality, we should be looking at players from the other end of the spectrum. Players that have a desire and motivation to firstly conquer the championship and then with a chance to flourish in the Premier, wouldn’t it be wise also to try to forge some links with our Premier League neighbours e.g Liverpool, Everton whom we have had recent dealings with, and both have a good reputation with their youngsters ? We should never be too proud to borrow what we can’t afford ! I agree. While we were a Premiership side that would have been a risky strategy that would probably have got us relegated but now we are a Championship side (something we might be for sometime) it's a perfectly legitimate approach to recruitment. We struggled to attract Premiership quality players while we were in the Premiership so we aren't going to do it now. Also a good number of the players we did attract joined us to put themselves in the shop window and had no real interest in playing for Stoke City - which is one of the reasons we have a large number of useless, uninterested players in the squad. You're saying pretty much what Jones has been saying - he wants a smaller squad of players who actually want to play for us and not just for themselves. However that's going to take time - and a massive squad overhaul. And the odd loan with a view to buy from the likes of Liverpool and Everton might well be one of the ways forward. That Shawcross lad certainly did us proud the last time we were in this situation. |
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