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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 16, 2020 12:30:37 GMT
Not a hugely surprising verdict. You can't really have a fair trial if you can't attend it. It shouldn't be that hard to facilitate her return for the appeal in a safe manner for the UK. My thoughts exactly. One of the good things about this country is the ability to challenge the law, which then evolves accordingly, or not as the case may be (pun intended). I have no issues with this aspect. I hope she loses and isn't allowed back in, purely as a deterrent to others who might be considering doing something similar.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 16, 2020 12:45:17 GMT
Well the first thing that springs to mind is how do certain human rights lawyers sleep at night
They truly are no better than the worst type of parasites You can bet there fees will be paid by the British taxpayers the very people that bitch was happy to see destroyed
Well she's achieved her wish to return because once back to attend her appeal they are hardly going to be able to send her else where when she loses Unless we pay the Bangladesh government to take her
But all that doesn't matter as long as her rights are OK I'm sure the British tax payer will be happy to lay out the cash for mi6 to keep an eye on her (if they can be arsed)
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 16, 2020 12:58:11 GMT
She can fuck off the smelly cunt How do you know she smells sorry you've lost me? She's a terrorist cum bucket, of course she smells.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 16, 2020 14:40:05 GMT
Well the first thing that springs to mind is how do certain human rights lawyers sleep at night They truly are no better than the worst type of parasites You can bet there fees will be paid by the British taxpayers the very people that bitch was happy to see destroyed Well she's achieved her wish to return because once back to attend her appeal they are hardly going to be able to send her else where when she loses Unless we pay the Bangladesh government to take her But all that doesn't matter as long as her rights are OK I'm sure the British tax payer will be happy to lay out the cash for mi6 to keep an eye on her (if they can be arsed) I'm sure very soundly. Any civilised society should not be afraid of having its laws challenged to ensure that they are robust, fit for purpose and repealed/replaced/improved if necessary as a result of that challenge. Doesn't matter if we don't like the issues being challenged. That's just part of the deal of living the way we do. The irony of someone choosing to join a bunch of people who apparently wouldn't choose to live that way, then using our ways to challenge the consequences of her choice is not lost on me either, but, as I say, it's the consequence of how we live and something that makes this country better than their apparent preferred way of life. I'd hate to live somewhere where the rule of law wasn't openly challengeable. As I said, I hope she loses and is deported back to wherever she's currently living and this acts as a strong deterrent to others who might be tempted.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 16, 2020 14:51:16 GMT
She can fuck off the smelly cunt Jesus wept.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 14:53:34 GMT
How do you know she smells sorry you've lost me? She's a terrorist cum bucket, of course she smells. I'm sure that's what you meant......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 16, 2020 14:54:19 GMT
The right to a fair trial applies to everyone and that's that.
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Jul 16, 2020 14:58:35 GMT
The only reason this bitch should ever be brought back is if we reinstated hanging.
No terrorist should have any rights.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 16, 2020 15:00:47 GMT
The right to a fair trial applies to everyone and that's that. Treason then, life imprisonment, courtesy of the tax payer.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 16, 2020 16:31:10 GMT
Such an emotive subject is Miss Begum and a truly thought-provoking one, where my own opinion ebbs and flows like a coastal tide.
From a personal opinion in terms of what she has done in terms of running off to join one of the most abhorrent terrorism groups to have ever existed I would happily see her remain stateless and living in whatever shithole she currently resides in.
On the other hand she is or at least was a British National, groomed at the age of 15 and was rendered stateless without any form of trial or hearing.
Do I want her brought back at tax-payer expense? Not really.
Should she be brought back? It is a very reluctant yes.
And if we do end up having to shell out for further trials, the cost of living in prisons and the childcare costs we must remember that it is our own civilisation that makes our world so much better than what these disgusting human beings want to turn us against.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 16, 2020 16:41:29 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 16, 2020 18:24:29 GMT
Well the first thing that springs to mind is how do certain human rights lawyers sleep at night They truly are no better than the worst type of parasites You can bet there fees will be paid by the British taxpayers the very people that bitch was happy to see destroyed Well she's achieved her wish to return because once back to attend her appeal they are hardly going to be able to send her else where when she loses Unless we pay the Bangladesh government to take her But all that doesn't matter as long as her rights are OK I'm sure the British tax payer will be happy to lay out the cash for mi6 to keep an eye on her (if they can be arsed) These lawyers don’t give a toss. They are scum sucking leeches just after money. One of the judges said fairness overrides national security....really? As long as the judiciary and legal profession promise to take the first knife or bomb blast and shield decent innocent people then I’m ok with approach.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 16, 2020 18:27:41 GMT
I'm not sure there are many flights home atm 🤞
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Post by stillgame4it on Jul 16, 2020 20:14:42 GMT
I didn't realise it was even still alive. Unfortunately it appears so ☹️
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Post by alsagerstokie on Jul 16, 2020 20:25:43 GMT
I thought some British US or Nato forces would have blown up which ever underground shit hole of a bunker in the middle east it was hiding in by now.
Sadly not.
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Post by kingdaz on Jul 16, 2020 21:12:03 GMT
Like Queen of hearts sais off with her head
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 16, 2020 21:31:11 GMT
It's amazing how many people who profess to love this country actually detest a lot of its systems and values. For those who despise this young woman the best way, no the only way to see her get her just desserts is in a fair and open court where she is present to defend herself.
For me (and I own up I don't know if this will happen in this hearing) but ensuring the tossers who helped radicalise a child also get their desserts. She may be evil, she may be the scum of the earth but the chances of a 15 year old waking up and going to Turkey on her way to effectively attack her own country seems unlikely without some predatory influence.
It's the old junkies and dealers argument writ large.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 16, 2020 21:51:38 GMT
It's amazing how many people who profess to love this country actually detest a lot of its systems and values. For those who despise this young woman the best way, no the only way to see her get her just desserts is in a fair and open court where she is present to defend herself. For me (and I own up I don't know if this will happen in this hearing) but ensuring the tossers who helped radicalise a child also get their desserts. She may be evil, she may be the scum of the earth but the chances of a 15 year old waking up and going to Turkey on her way to effectively attack her own country seems unlikely without some predatory influence. It's the old junkies and dealers argument writ large. I can’t actually believe I’m agreeing with you on this especially in respect to how she got to where she was and identifying those responsible and dealing with them. I have enough faith in our country that she will be found guilty and will never see the light of day as it should be. There’s times when we have to rise above what we’d like to do to her and show why we’re the greatest country in the world and one of the fairest despite what has been portrayed recently.
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Post by musik on Jul 16, 2020 22:40:30 GMT
Is this unique?
We have these cases regularly in Sweden. They normally say they were forced to join or had no idea how it was like there.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 17, 2020 7:01:22 GMT
It's amazing how many people who profess to love this country actually detest a lot of its systems and values. For those who despise this young woman the best way, no the only way to see her get her just desserts is in a fair and open court where she is present to defend herself. For me (and I own up I don't know if this will happen in this hearing) but ensuring the tossers who helped radicalise a child also get their desserts. She may be evil, she may be the scum of the earth but the chances of a 15 year old waking up and going to Turkey on her way to effectively attack her own country seems unlikely without some predatory influence. It's the old junkies and dealers argument writ large. I’m in full agreement with you on this.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 17, 2020 7:50:25 GMT
It is against international law to make someone stateless, so to leave her in that camp ( where one of her kids has died) could be reasonably argued as breaking international law.
For what it’s worth the best outcome here would probably be a reasonable with a focus on rehabilitation
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Jul 17, 2020 8:28:59 GMT
It's amazing how many people who profess to love this country actually detest a lot of its systems and values. For those who despise this young woman the best way, no the only way to see her get her just desserts is in a fair and open court where she is present to defend herself. For me (and I own up I don't know if this will happen in this hearing) but ensuring the tossers who helped radicalise a child also get their desserts. She may be evil, she may be the scum of the earth but the chances of a 15 year old waking up and going to Turkey on her way to effectively attack her own country seems unlikely without some predatory influence. It's the old junkies and dealers argument writ large. I'd love to see the Venn diagram of: 1. People who continually moan Rotherham about style "asian grooming gangs" 2. Want foreign criminals deporting from the UK 3. People telling her to fuck off out of the country My guess is it's one big circle without a hint of irony.
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Post by serpico on Jul 17, 2020 9:46:36 GMT
It's amazing how many people who profess to love this country actually detest a lot of its systems and values. For those who despise this young woman the best way, no the only way to see her get her just desserts is in a fair and open court where she is present to defend herself. For me (and I own up I don't know if this will happen in this hearing) but ensuring the tossers who helped radicalise a child also get their desserts. She may be evil, she may be the scum of the earth but the chances of a 15 year old waking up and going to Turkey on her way to effectively attack her own country seems unlikely without some predatory influence. It's the old junkies and dealers argument writ large. I agree that she probably should return for trial but i'm also aware that close to a thousand have travelled from the UK to syria, half of them have returned and only 40 have been prosecuted! this is why many don't want her to return for a trial, cant blame them really, odds are she'll get off with it due to lack of proof she actually fought with/for isis. I've switched back and forth on this issue, sometimes i think a trial would be best, other times i think why should she be allowed to return ? its not like she was a low IQ imbecile, she's a straight A student, certainly no dummy who doesn't know right from wrong and her parents had warned her and she still went, in all likelihood she's a sociopath.
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 17, 2020 10:08:17 GMT
Does she have children ?
If so will they be returning with her? You would assume yes.
In which case she will never be deported back.
Like many others my opinion wavers, but there is little sympathy for her from me.
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Post by musik on Jul 17, 2020 14:57:53 GMT
It is against international law to make someone stateless, Could she be sued for making herself stateless?
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Post by teflondel on Jul 17, 2020 15:39:04 GMT
Take her to the British consulate in Syria. Let her put her case forward over video link. Doesn’t need to be physically in UK.
Problem solved and saved money
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 17, 2020 17:10:21 GMT
If you have a mad dog you put it down
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Post by thevoid on Jul 19, 2020 17:57:12 GMT
I'm hearing a lot about Shemima Begum being a clueless teen when she joined IS at 15, yet we're told to listen to Greta Thunberg, who was 15 when she started speaking about the environment.
So at what point do 15 year olds become the voice of reason, or is this based on agenda....is Thunberg benefitting from 'white privilege'? 🤔
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 19, 2020 18:40:38 GMT
I'm hearing a lot about Shemima Begum being a clueless teen when she joined IS at 15, yet we're told to listen to Greta Thunberg, who was 15 when she started speaking about the environment. So at what point do 15 year olds become the voice of reason, or is this based on agenda....is Thunberg benefitting from 'white privilege'? 🤔 What an odd comparison to make. Comparing someone who was groomed to destroy part of civilisation to one who wanted to preserve it with an added bonus of white privilege thrown in too. Out of morbid curiosity which one annoys you more the 15 year old Muslim teenager groomed and joining a terrorist organisation or the 15 year old white aspergers teenager who talks about preventing climate change?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 19, 2020 18:59:57 GMT
I'm hearing a lot about Shemima Begum being a clueless teen when she joined IS at 15, yet we're told to listen to Greta Thunberg, who was 15 when she started speaking about the environment. So at what point do 15 year olds become the voice of reason, or is this based on agenda....is Thunberg benefitting from 'white privilege'? 🤔 Nothing to do with being 15 one says the things the wokes want to hear The other wants to destroy everything the wokes stand for
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