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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2019 21:51:07 GMT
Indeed. The difference is that when most people make shit up, they at least try to ensure it actually makes sense and fits in with what has happened/been said...... Wuzza apparently hasn't run with that particular technique today though it would seem I'm done with it mate. Some of this lot won't be happy until we have another Pulis here. The bloke has walked into a shit storm of someone else's making and is expected to turn around 4 odd years of decline and awful recruitment in 7 games. I'm as disappointed as the next man we haven't got more points but Jesus Christ. Be honest now you would you take another Pulis right now if he was as successful as the capped one was over what we have now ? Nathan might well turn this around in the long term but will he be given that time, this mess stems back to Hughes and his team I said at the time and was lambasted for it that Hughes was ruining our club turns out I was closer to the truth than even I claimed. By the way not sure our gaffer would approve of your blasphemy it could be construed as offensive to all devote Christian folk.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 21:55:34 GMT
Indeed. The difference is that when most people make shit up, they at least try to ensure it actually makes sense and fits in with what has happened/been said...... Wuzza apparently hasn't run with that particular technique today though it would seem Another genius - we are lucky today. Says the bloke who's literally making shit up as he goes along and passing it off as if he knows what the club are thinking! Fuck me, thanks for your own particular brand of genius right there fella! You know fuck all (as several people have pointed out) and what you are spouting goes against what has actually been fucking said by the manager in the media literally DAYS after the club hired him. Simple question (which so far you've ignored)....if the club haven't budgeted for a re-build of the squad and don't plan to let Jones do just that (as apparently you "know") then do you think they'd allow the manager to say exactly that to the media within days of being given the job and then to continue to publicly say it time and time again at every available opportunity to the press? Go on, surprise us all and answer it (but we know you won't because it kinda proves you're just giving a badly thought through opinion and hoping people believe you as then it becomes "fact" in your head). I've seen better thought out, more sensible and consistent with facts we do know fantasies, in fucking Playboy stories that anything you've written in this thread. Every point you've made so far people have shown makes no sense whatsoever. Rather than counter those points against you however (which should be easy given how you apparently "know" exactly what the club are thinking and why they hired Jones), you've simply come up with beauties like your reply here to avoid them completely. Do you really think no one on here knows what it means when posters do that on here and avoid or deflect from valid points? It means they can't counter it as they know fuck all in reality.....is this also now the point where you tell us all how you were just on a wind up and caught us all out? Go on, go for the "Floundering like fuck here so need to dig myself out of the hole i've created because i'm not making sense or fooling anybody anymore" double whammy
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 22:00:31 GMT
I assume that he has told them he could sort this quicker and they have believed him. This club was and is not operating on the belief we can hang around for 3 seasons to wait to get promoted. Your last sentence does not go hand in hand with a club that employs a manager that has never been promoted in his career, gives him 50M to spend, sacks him and then replaces him with a manager that has never managed higher than League One. Your first sentence is just guesswork. I think the club WAS operating on the belief that they cannot hang around waiting to get promoted, hence giving Rowett, who had only just missed out on promotion the previous season, a barrow load of money and all his backroom staff. The complete u-turn has come with the sacking of the obnoxious scrote Rowett and the appointment of Jones and the realisation that it's going to take time. I also add that spending extra money on Vokes and Batth was a last throw of the dice to see whether Jones could pull off a miracle and get us into the playoffs. I think Wuzza isn't as far off as you're making out.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 22:05:48 GMT
Another genius - we are lucky today. Says the bloke who's literally making shit up as he goes along and passing it off as if he knows what the club are thinking! Fuck me, thanks for your own particular brand of genius right there fella! You know fuck all (as several people have pointed out) and what you are spouting goes against what has actually been fucking said by the manager in the media literally DAYS after the club hired him. Simple question (which so far you've ignored)....if the club haven't budgeted for a re-build of the squad and don't plan to let Jones do just that (as apparently you "know") then do you think they'd allow the manager to say exactly that to the media within days of being given the job and then to continue to publicly say it time and time again at every available opportunity to the press? Go on, surprise us all and answer it (but we know you won't because it kinda proves you're just giving a badly thought through opinion and hoping people believe you as then it becomes "fact" in your head). I've seen better thought out, more sensible and consistent with facts we do know fantasies, in fucking Playboy stories that anything you've written in this thread. Every point you've made so far people have shown makes no sense whatsoever. Rather than counter those points against you however (which should be easy given how you apparently "know" exactly what the club are thinking and why they hired Jones), you've simply come up with beauties like your reply here to avoid them completely. Do you really think no one on here knows what it means when posters do that on here and avoid or deflect from valid points? It means they can't counter it as they know fuck all in reality.....is this also now the point where you tell us all how you were just on a wind up and caught us all out? Go on, go for the "Floundering like fuck here so need to dig myself out of the hole i've created because i'm not making sense or fooling anybody anymore" double whammy Fucking yawn.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 22:07:18 GMT
Your last sentence does not go hand in hand with a club that employs a manager that has never been promoted in his career, gives him 50M to spend, sacks him and then replaces him with a manager that has never managed higher than League One. Your first sentence is just guesswork. I think the club WAS operating on the belief that they cannot hang around waiting to get promoted, hence giving Rowett, who had only just missed out on promotion the previous season, a barrow load of money and all his backroom staff. The complete u-turn has come with the sacking of the obnoxious scrote Rowett and the appointment of Jones and the realisation that it's going to take time. Spot on. It was Rowett not Jones that was tasked with immediate success (and was given the funds for it). Any suggestion that they hired Jones for an immediate turn around, without needing to really invest or sort the squad and just make do with what we've got, is as bloody ridiculous as the suggestion that they never knew he might plan a squad overhaul when they hired him.
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Post by jontimmis on Feb 16, 2019 22:07:18 GMT
What are we all moaning about a 1-1 draw against the shittest team in the league. I mean come on stoke fans, how fucking unreasonable can we be!
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 22:10:22 GMT
I think the club WAS operating on the belief that they cannot hang around waiting to get promoted, hence giving Rowett, who had only just missed out on promotion the previous season, a barrow load of money and all his backroom staff. The complete u-turn has come with the sacking of the obnoxious scrote Rowett and the appointment of Jones and the realisation that it's going to take time. Spot on. It was Rowett not Jones that was tasked with immediate success (and was given the funds for it). Any suggestion that they hired Jones for an immediate turn around, without needing to really invest or sort the squad and just make do with what we've got, is as bloody ridiculous as the suggestion that they never knew he might plan a squad overhaul when they hired him. Then why give him another £12million to spend?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 22:10:31 GMT
Says the bloke who's literally making shit up as he goes along and passing it off as if he knows what the club are thinking! Fuck me, thanks for your own particular brand of genius right there fella! You know fuck all (as several people have pointed out) and what you are spouting goes against what has actually been fucking said by the manager in the media literally DAYS after the club hired him. Simple question (which so far you've ignored)....if the club haven't budgeted for a re-build of the squad and don't plan to let Jones do just that (as apparently you "know") then do you think they'd allow the manager to say exactly that to the media within days of being given the job and then to continue to publicly say it time and time again at every available opportunity to the press? Go on, surprise us all and answer it (but we know you won't because it kinda proves you're just giving a badly thought through opinion and hoping people believe you as then it becomes "fact" in your head). I've seen better thought out, more sensible and consistent with facts we do know fantasies, in fucking Playboy stories that anything you've written in this thread. Every point you've made so far people have shown makes no sense whatsoever. Rather than counter those points against you however (which should be easy given how you apparently "know" exactly what the club are thinking and why they hired Jones), you've simply come up with beauties like your reply here to avoid them completely. Do you really think no one on here knows what it means when posters do that on here and avoid or deflect from valid points? It means they can't counter it as they know fuck all in reality.....is this also now the point where you tell us all how you were just on a wind up and caught us all out? Go on, go for the "Floundering like fuck here so need to dig myself out of the hole i've created because i'm not making sense or fooling anybody anymore" double whammy Fucking yawn. Soz Pugs...i forgot your posts are the only ones of any importance on here. If you don't want to read my posts then you are aware you don't actually even need to, let alone quote them! But then it wouldn't give you the attention your self-superior ego craves then would it? Arrogant prick
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 22:13:48 GMT
Spot on. It was Rowett not Jones that was tasked with immediate success (and was given the funds for it). Any suggestion that they hired Jones for an immediate turn around, without needing to really invest or sort the squad and just make do with what we've got, is as bloody ridiculous as the suggestion that they never knew he might plan a squad overhaul when they hired him. Then why give him another £12million to spend? Possibly because without sorting out an utter calamity of a defence by bringing in at least one defender, we might not even stay up? Do you think it was a coincidence that as soon as Baath came in, Ryan was dropped and has remained dropped? Or the fact that a genuine target man might be useful to score goals? Are you trying to say that 12mill for 2 players in the Jan window was a genuine attempt to give Jones what he needed for a play off push? You may be a tosspot Pugs, but i never had you down as thick as shit
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 22:15:21 GMT
Soz Pugs...i forgot your posts are the only ones of any importance on here. If you don't want to read my posts then you are aware you don't actually even need to, let alone quoten them! But then it wouldn't give you the attention your self-superior ego craves then would it? Arrogant prick Says the bloke who writes 7 paragraphs to tell someone he thinks they are talking shit. Still, well though out son.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 22:17:54 GMT
Soz Pugs...i forgot your posts are the only ones of any importance on here. If you don't want to read my posts then you are aware you don't actually even need to, let alone quoten them! But then it wouldn't give you the attention your self-superior ego craves then would it? Arrogant prick Says the bloke who writes 7 paragraphs to tell someone he thinks they are talking shit. Still, well though out son. Simply because i actually try to back up what i say, rather than some who seem to think they'll be taken seriously if they simply insult people they disagree with constantly to play the "Big i am" on The Oatcake (i.e.the kind of behaviour most grow out of when they hit about 13)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 22:18:44 GMT
Your last sentence does not go hand in hand with a club that employs a manager that has never been promoted in his career, gives him 50M to spend, sacks him and then replaces him with a manager that has never managed higher than League One. Your first sentence is just guesswork. I think the club WAS operating on the belief that they cannot hang around waiting to get promoted, hence giving Rowett, who had only just missed out on promotion the previous season, a barrow load of money and all his backroom staff. The complete u-turn has come with the sacking of the obnoxious scrote Rowett and the appointment of Jones and the realisation that it's going to take time. I also add that spending extra money on Vokes and Batth was a last throw of the dice to see whether Jones could pull off a miracle and get us into the playoffs. I think Wuzza isn't as far off as you're making out. Who knows what the plan was/is then. We're talking about a club that employs a man who tells us there wasn't a sell on clause for a player then takes a 180 degree turn some years later and tells us there was after all. When you get to that stage, all bets are literally off. Mind the pun...
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 22:20:40 GMT
Then why give him another £12million to spend? Possibly because without sorting out an utter calamity of a defence by bringing in at least one defender, we might not even stay up? Do you think it was a coincidence that as soon as Baath came in, Ryan was dropped and has remained dropped? Or the fact that a genuine target man might be useful to score goals? Are you trying to say that 12mill for 2 players in the Jan window was a genuine attempt to give Jones what he needed for a play off push? You may be a tosspot Pugs, but i never had you down as thick as shit To supplement the £40million already spent - I would say so. I notice it's now OK for you to say how the owners are thinking. Contradictory fuckwit.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 22:21:19 GMT
Says the bloke who writes 7 paragraphs to tell someone he thinks they are talking shit. Still, well though out son. Simply because i actually try to back up what i say, rather than some who seem to think they'll be taken seriously if they simply insult people they disagree with constantly to play the "Big i am" on The Oatcake (i.e.the kind of behaviour most grow out of when they hit about 13) You're the one insulting.
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Post by robrigo on Feb 16, 2019 22:23:09 GMT
Shrugs shoulders- gets on with day- it’s the norm now.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 22:25:22 GMT
Possibly because without sorting out an utter calamity of a defence by bringing in at least one defender, we might not even stay up? Do you think it was a coincidence that as soon as Baath came in, Ryan was dropped and has remained dropped? Or the fact that a genuine target man might be useful to score goals? Are you trying to say that 12mill for 2 players in the Jan window was a genuine attempt to give Jones what he needed for a play off push? You may be a tosspot Pugs, but i never had you down as thick as shit To supplement the £40million already spent - I would say so. I notice it's now OK for you to say how the owners are thinking. Contradictory fuckwit. Nope you haven't. If you actually did notice, you'd have noticed i said "possibly because..." implying it may possibly be the reason why. That's something quite different however to Wuzza's "The club did not.." which implies fact. Again, you're brighter than that Pugs. Try harder!
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 16, 2019 22:26:00 GMT
He was a readful managerial appointment. I said it at the time. The club and job is beyond his capabilities. We needed an Allardyce or the likes thereof. It's not that his footballing philosophy is shit, same with GR. But neither of them have what was necessary to manage Stoke in this situation. Wish i could tick you twice
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 22:26:53 GMT
Simply because i actually try to back up what i say, rather than some who seem to think they'll be taken seriously if they simply insult people they disagree with constantly to play the "Big i am" on The Oatcake (i.e.the kind of behaviour most grow out of when they hit about 13) You're the one insulting. Hmmm....so completely unnecessarily quoting me simply to say "Fucking yawn" wasn't an insult. Ok then big boy, whatever your ego desires eh?
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 16, 2019 22:28:42 GMT
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Feb 16, 2019 22:28:44 GMT
What are we all moaning about a 1-1 draw against the shittest team in the league. I mean come on stoke fans, how fucking unreasonable can we be! As the capped one used to say “we need to manage expectation”
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 16, 2019 22:36:13 GMT
Didn’t his Luton team score nearly 50 goals or something before he came to us?? I don’t get it 🤯 ! They are just very different jobs & situations. Some managers seem to do well with a specific "task" don't they, but then struggle when moving to a different sort of task? In the PL, need to get out of trouble, then its a job for Pulis, Allardyce Want to create a team who gets to 6th-10th in the Champs, perhaps that's Rowett. In the Champs and need to get up, its Warnock, Bruce And there have been a few managers kicking round that can create chipper L1 clubs but then suffocate when given bigger jobs. Just like some players: from Neil Shipperley to Dwight Gayle, some seem to have a level that they are great at, but can't move up. NJ may evolve and learn his trade at a higher level, but, the politics, pressure, culture, team, players, fans expectations etc are all very different and tougher here. He needs to be adaptable and not rely on past formulae to get us out of it.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 22:37:43 GMT
To supplement the £40million already spent - I would say so. I notice it's now OK for you to say how the owners are thinking. Contradictory fuckwit. Nope you haven't. If you actually did notice, you'd have noticed i said "possibly because..." implying it may possibly be the reason why. That's something quite different however to Wuzza's "The club did not.." which implies fact. Again, you're brighter than that Pugs. Try harder! The club has spent £50million on new footballers. That is not a club budgeting to wait around and to rebuild. That is to me is pretty much a fact, hence they haven't budgeted for the complete shit show we now have the starring role in. And for the club to spend an extra £12million on new footballers to go with the £40million already spent to avoid relegation when at the time we were closer to the playoffs than the relegation zone is frankly fucking laughable.
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 16, 2019 22:39:13 GMT
What are we all moaning about a 1-1 draw against the shittest team in the league. I mean come on stoke fans, how fucking unreasonable can we be! As the capped one used to say “we need to manage expectation” Yep, can't have steak and chips every week as I recall. I wonder what the meal metaphor is for what we saw today and of late?
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Post by jontimmis on Feb 16, 2019 22:41:20 GMT
As the capped one used to say “we need to manage expectation” Yep, can't have steak and chips every week as I recall. I wonder what the meal metaphor is for what we saw today and of late? Pineapple and cheese?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 22:44:09 GMT
Yep, can't have steak and chips every week as I recall. I wonder what the meal metaphor is for what we saw today and of late? Pineapple and cheese? The thinnest of gruel.
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Post by jontimmis on Feb 16, 2019 22:45:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 22:46:27 GMT
Nathan walked into a nightmare taking on this shower of shit. Admittedly his substitutions are poor though
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 16, 2019 23:12:59 GMT
Nathan walked into a nightmare taking on this shower of shit. Admittedly his substitutions are poor though The only thing worse than his subs is his forward line selection in the first place
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Post by loosestools on Feb 17, 2019 9:45:03 GMT
As the capped one used to say “we need to manage expectation” Yep, can't have steak and chips every week as I recall. I wonder what the meal metaphor is for what we saw today and of late? Tripe
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Post by wuzza on Feb 17, 2019 23:26:59 GMT
Another genius - we are lucky today. Says the bloke who's literally making shit up as he goes along and passing it off as if he knows what the club are thinking! Fuck me, thanks for your own particular brand of genius right there fella! You know fuck all (as several people have pointed out) and what you are spouting goes against what has actually been fucking said by the manager in the media literally DAYS after the club hired him. Simple question (which so far you've ignored)....if the club haven't budgeted for a re-build of the squad and don't plan to let Jones do just that (as apparently you "know") then do you think they'd allow the manager to say exactly that to the media within days of being given the job and then to continue to publicly say it time and time again at every available opportunity to the press? Go on, surprise us all and answer it (but we know you won't because it kinda proves you're just giving a badly thought through opinion and hoping people believe you as then it becomes "fact" in your head). I've seen better thought out, more sensible and consistent with facts we do know fantasies, in fucking Playboy stories that anything you've written in this thread. Every point you've made so far people have shown makes no sense whatsoever. Rather than counter those points against you however (which should be easy given how you apparently "know" exactly what the club are thinking and why they hired Jones), you've simply come up with beauties like your reply here to avoid them completely. Do you really think no one on here knows what it means when posters do that on here and avoid or deflect from valid points? It means they can't counter it as they know fuck all in reality.....is this also now the point where you tell us all how you were just on a wind up and caught us all out? Go on, go for the "Floundering like fuck here so need to dig myself out of the hole i've created because i'm not making sense or fooling anybody anymore" double whammy Watch what happens and then think back.
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