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Post by Gods on Feb 14, 2019 0:39:23 GMT
4 points out of a possible 18, no goals in the last 7 hours and an FA Cup exit at home to Shrewsbury.
A bad situation has got much worse, we're in Chris Kamara country.
I like the guy even if, or perhaps because, he looks badly unhinged, but his much vaunted 'processes' are going to have to start working very soon or he's yet another gonna.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2019 0:42:13 GMT
4 points out of a possible 18, no goals in the last 7 hours and an FA Cup exit at home to Shrewsbury. A bad situation has got much worse, we're in Chris Kamara country. I like the guy even if, or perhaps because, he looks unhinged, but his much vaunted 'processes' are going to have to start working very soon or or he's another gonna. Shite so far...but we can’t keep sacking managers can we?
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Post by ibby on Feb 14, 2019 0:46:13 GMT
Poor manager not good for this league..
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Post by generationex on Feb 14, 2019 0:48:12 GMT
We’re investing in potential rather than proven track record at this level (I hope).
He’s going to be learning on the job but I think his humble but positive personality bodes well in comparison to GR.
I’d rather waste 2 years with him rather than the last one, not least because if he can achieve success he has as much chance of unifying the support as anyone else.
I think he may need to move on from the diamond though.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 14, 2019 0:50:02 GMT
Wait until he gets his own players in. It’s going to take time with the shit he’s been left with.
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Post by keithbertschinsperm on Feb 14, 2019 0:53:06 GMT
Don't agree at all, its the usual short sighted insta results attitude. He has inherited a toxic mess and a club in serious decline. Its like expecting a new captain to jump aboard the titanic after hitting the iceberg and to be back on route sipping G&T's in no time. It takes a long time to turn around a ship heading in the wrong direction, it equally will take time to turn around a club with a hopelessly unbalanced squad bought by others, that's used to second best. NJ started with Luton in 18th in L2 and now that club is unrecognisable, he's inherited a shambles without a pre season and has so far had the chance to add just 2 players. Of course vent your anger and call for his head if you must, but what really do you think will be different with a new man and all the same players? Stoke will be safe this year, roll on the end of the season, and the pre season. By the end of this calendar year, I'm actually confident things will be very different. You cannot change years of mess in a few weeks. Its frustrating but even talk of firing NJ is in no way constructive and fails to grasp the bigger picture which wont ever change with such short sighted-ness.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 0:59:15 GMT
“A bad situation got worse”
How did people think it would get better in the short term?
The rest of this season was always going to be painful, Jones is tying to instil a completely different set of values into the players and needs a summer window and a pre-season to get anywhere near what’s required.
This remainder of this season is to see which players want to embrace the changes, or whether they need moving on. I suspect most will be moving on......
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Post by GallysGuitar on Feb 14, 2019 1:13:43 GMT
Don't agree at all, its the usual short sighted insta results attitude. He has inherited a toxic mess and a club in serious decline. Its like expecting a new captain to jump aboard the titanic after hitting the iceberg and to be back on route sipping G&T's in no time. It takes a long time to turn around a ship heading in the wrong direction, it equally will take time to turn around a club with a hopelessly unbalanced squad bought by others, that's used to second best. NJ started with Luton in 18th in L2 and now that club is unrecognisable, he's inherited a shambles without a pre season and has so far had the chance to add just 2 players. Of course vent your anger and call for his head if you must, but what really do you think will be different with a new man and all the same players? Stoke will be safe this year, roll on the end of the season, and the pre season. By the end of this calendar year, I'm actually confident things will be very different. You cannot change years of mess in a few weeks. Its frustrating but even talk of firing NJ is in no way constructive and fails to grasp the bigger picture which wont ever change with such short sighted-ness. 👏👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2019 2:01:35 GMT
You'd have a point if this was his team, we're saying time and time again that we have a team full of wasters and its not good enough etc, and then people complain because the manager can't get the results, as for Jones being a gonna, not a chance, he'll be here at the start of next season hopefully with a team he's happy with and feels can do what he asks, as it is, he's having to make do.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2019 2:07:54 GMT
We’re investing in potential rather than proven track record at this level (I hope). He’s going to be learning on the job but I think his humble but positive personality bodes well in comparison to GR. I’d rather waste 2 years with him rather than the last one, not least because if he can achieve success he has as much chance of unifying the support as anyone else. I think he may need to move on from the diamond though. Personally I don't have a problem with the diamond as long as he changes as he did today when it clearly doesn't work, that change in tactics today made me even more confident we made the right choice, it was one of Rowetts biggest problems for me, even when things were clearly not working he stuck with it regardless, he was either too stubborn or worse couldn't see it.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 14, 2019 4:35:32 GMT
At the moment it’s a rough diamond , this time next year it will be diamonds are forever .......Nathan Jones you’ve been gone to long
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 14, 2019 4:53:27 GMT
A bad start yes, but who honestly thought it would be much different ? I like the guy, judge him next season when we might have a few more players to suit the way he wants to play. Those that want him out already really need to look at the bigger picture.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 14, 2019 6:02:24 GMT
Those that want him out already really need to look at the bigger picture. Very true, it's also very rich
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Post by mrteddysalad on Feb 14, 2019 6:20:00 GMT
Our midfield is a god damn disaster and there’s no magic formation or tactics Jones can use to fix them
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Post by hooftastic on Feb 14, 2019 6:27:08 GMT
He wasn't brought in to get a tune out of this squad or do anything this season. That was Rowetts task and it failed.
Luton fans said it took him three transfer windows to get it right there. We should afford him the same patience (especially as we've been handing out long contracts like confetti and he won't be able to shift that deadwood easily).
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Post by greyman on Feb 14, 2019 6:34:02 GMT
Could somebody start making a list of these people writing off a manager after half a dozen games. Either they're going to be right in which case they can then just move on to demanding the sacking of every manager we ever have who presides over a handful of poor results.
Or they're going to be wrong and make themselves look not only stupid, but the sort of fickle morons that would be best off having their phones and laptops taken away for their own good.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 14, 2019 6:44:37 GMT
If there's a balance between getting some good results now, as well as building for the future then that is what is needed. Because we need something to give us a lift.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Feb 14, 2019 6:46:16 GMT
People say the right things to begin with like, "It'll get worse before it gets better" but when that actually happens, people don't like it and want him out. Literally no manager would get anything out of our midfield.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 14, 2019 6:49:52 GMT
Don't agree at all, its the usual short sighted insta results attitude. He has inherited a toxic mess and a club in serious decline. Its like expecting a new captain to jump aboard the titanic after hitting the iceberg and to be back on route sipping G&T's in no time. It takes a long time to turn around a ship heading in the wrong direction, it equally will take time to turn around a club with a hopelessly unbalanced squad bought by others, that's used to second best. NJ started with Luton in 18th in L2 and now that club is unrecognisable, he's inherited a shambles without a pre season and has so far had the chance to add just 2 players. Of course vent your anger and call for his head if you must, but what really do you think will be different with a new man and all the same players? Stoke will be safe this year, roll on the end of the season, and the pre season. By the end of this calendar year, I'm actually confident things will be very different. You cannot change years of mess in a few weeks. Its frustrating but even talk of firing NJ is in no way constructive and fails to grasp the bigger picture which wont ever change with such short sighted-ness. This. He most likley thought I have good players at Stoke who can get the club moving in the right direction,but now reslises those players couldn't give a fuck for Stoke City. It will take another 2/3 windows at the very least to get the dross out and his own players in.
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Post by Waggy on Feb 14, 2019 6:50:00 GMT
Be patient and keep supporting.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 14, 2019 7:02:54 GMT
Anyone who thought a new manager would come in and we'd go on a run is deluded, it was never going to happen with this bunch of players. Judge Jones when he has his team on the pitch in 12 months time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 7:03:34 GMT
I'm fully behind him and prepared to give him the time to turn us round. I think he's got to make numerous changes in the summer window and it'll take at least till mid season for them to gel and results to improve enough for a possible play off place. There will need to be more big changes in the next January and summer windows as well and It'll be the season after (20-21) when he's really got "his team" and it'll be a full on promotion push. He can't just shift these players on long expensive contracts out overnight.
He said it would take time when he arrived and the vast majority of fans were right behind him. Just over a month later, and we've not suddenly transformed overnight, and people are moaning like hell - unbelievable !
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 14, 2019 7:29:39 GMT
Wow, it hasn't taken long for the tide to turn has it?! Wank support.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 14, 2019 7:34:45 GMT
Nathan has not had a nightmare. Gary Rowett had a nightmare. Every signing he made was a bad signing for the club.
Jones has come in and you can see improvements in fitness and intensity now. He is imposing his way of players on a group of players that don't fit any style or system.
This season was over anyway and the only aim for jones is to start imposing his ideals. In the summer we can only hope he can move out large numbers, including Rowett's signings, and bring in the creativity, pace, power that we've been lacking since Arnie left.
Rowett has done the damage with his obsession with signing average championship players for premier league fees on premier league wages
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 14, 2019 7:41:35 GMT
Could somebody start making a list of these people writing off a manager after half a dozen games. Either they're going to be right in which case they can then just move on to demanding the sacking of every manager we ever have who presides over a handful of poor results. Or they're going to be wrong and make themselves look not only stupid, but the sort of fickle morons that would be best off having their phones and laptops taken away for their own good. They are already stupid and they know who they are,children of Victor .
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 14, 2019 7:42:04 GMT
Nathan has not had a nightmare. Gary Rowett had a nightmare. Every signing he made was a bad signing for the club. Jones has come in and you can see improvements in fitness and intensity now. He is imposing his way of players on a group of players that don't fit any style or system. This season was over anyway and the only aim for jones is to start imposing his ideals. In the summer we can only hope he can move out large numbers, including Rowett's signings, and bring in the creativity, pace, power that we've been lacking since Arnie left. Rowett has done the damage with his obsession with signing average championship players for premier league fees on premier league wages Amen to that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 7:43:31 GMT
At first I questioned the desire and hunger for real change long term.
I'm sat here now wondering whether some have the brain capacity for it.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 14, 2019 7:52:56 GMT
Could somebody start making a list of these people writing off a manager How Orwellian! It seems to me most of the people asking for his head are the member's of the Pulis Taliban. They need to let it go FFS!
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Feb 14, 2019 7:55:29 GMT
Had Charlie Adam not been injured things would have been a lot different. However that just shows you the complete lack of creativity in our midfield that we're relying on someone who's been out of favour for so long. Too many players who do the same thing and can't deliver the killer pass and are shit at crossing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 8:00:03 GMT
Don't agree at all, its the usual short sighted insta results attitude. He has inherited a toxic mess and a club in serious decline. Its like expecting a new captain to jump aboard the titanic after hitting the iceberg and to be back on route sipping G&T's in no time. It takes a long time to turn around a ship heading in the wrong direction, it equally will take time to turn around a club with a hopelessly unbalanced squad bought by others, that's used to second best. NJ started with Luton in 18th in L2 and now that club is unrecognisable, he's inherited a shambles without a pre season and has so far had the chance to add just 2 players. Of course vent your anger and call for his head if you must, but what really do you think will be different with a new man and all the same players? Stoke will be safe this year, roll on the end of the season, and the pre season. By the end of this calendar year, I'm actually confident things will be very different. You cannot change years of mess in a few weeks. Its frustrating but even talk of firing NJ is in no way constructive and fails to grasp the bigger picture which wont ever change with such short sighted-ness. Superb post
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