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Feb 10, 2019 17:41:16 GMT
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Feb 10, 2019 17:41:16 GMT
After last season's debacle if you'd asked most supporters what the team was lacking it would have been pace and goals, coupled with a defence that has at least one ricket in it at all times. Roll forward 12 months and pretty much nothing has been done to address those exact issues. We must have one of the slowest squads in league football and I'm shocked we have not invested in any fullbacks or strikers that would be described as pacy. I find it pretty mind boggling and I can't really come up with a good reason as to why These issues are not addressed. Surely for the total cost of a McLean or a clucas. ( fee and wages I'm guessing north of 12m each) we could have got in a couple of fullbacks and a pacy striker. I'm just really struggling with why we keep wanting to buy old and slow players I would love for someone to explain this transfer policy too me. Even Jones signings this January again seem rather odd to me
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 10, 2019 17:44:58 GMT
After last season's debacle if you'd asked most supporters what the team was lacking it would have been pace and goals, coupled with a defence that has at least one ricket in it at all times. Roll forward 12 months and pretty much nothing has been done to address those exact issues. We must have one of the slowest squads in league football and I'm shocked we have not invested in any fullbacks or strikers that would be described as pacy. I find it pretty mind boggling and I can't really come up with a good reason as to why These issues are not addressed. Surely for the total cost of a McLean or a clucas. ( fee and wages I'm guessing north of 12m each) we could have got in a couple of fullbacks and a pacy striker. I'm just really struggling with why we keep wanting to buy old and slow players I would love for someone to explain this transfer policy too me. Even Jones signings this January again seem rather odd to me Afobe and Diouf both have pace, but at least one of them needs to be picked to play alongside Vokes first!
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Feb 10, 2019 17:45:07 GMT
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2019 17:45:07 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace.
Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent
All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great).
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Feb 10, 2019 19:30:54 GMT
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Post by robstokie on Feb 10, 2019 19:30:54 GMT
After last season's debacle if you'd asked most supporters what the team was lacking it would have been pace and goals, coupled with a defence that has at least one ricket in it at all times. Roll forward 12 months and pretty much nothing has been done to address those exact issues. We must have one of the slowest squads in league football and I'm shocked we have not invested in any fullbacks or strikers that would be described as pacy. I find it pretty mind boggling and I can't really come up with a good reason as to why These issues are not addressed. Surely for the total cost of a McLean or a clucas. ( fee and wages I'm guessing north of 12m each) we could have got in a couple of fullbacks and a pacy striker. I'm just really struggling with why we keep wanting to buy old and slow players I would love for someone to explain this transfer policy too me. Even Jones signings this January again seem rather odd to me I think they were Pizza Boys signings to be fair - big, slow, over-hyped and cumbersome - just like most Pizza Boy signings...
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Feb 11, 2019 14:41:18 GMT
Post by nott1 on Feb 11, 2019 14:41:18 GMT
After last season's debacle if you'd asked most supporters what the team was lacking it would have been pace and goals, coupled with a defence that has at least one ricket in it at all times. Roll forward 12 months and pretty much nothing has been done to address those exact issues. We must have one of the slowest squads in league football and I'm shocked we have not invested in any fullbacks or strikers that would be described as pacy. I find it pretty mind boggling and I can't really come up with a good reason as to why These issues are not addressed. Surely for the total cost of a McLean or a clucas. ( fee and wages I'm guessing north of 12m each) we could have got in a couple of fullbacks and a pacy striker. I'm just really struggling with why we keep wanting to buy old and slow players I would love for someone to explain this transfer policy too me. Even Jones signings this January again seem rather odd to me Afobe and Diouf both have pace, but at least one of them needs to be picked to play alongside Vokes first! Afobe can't jump and has little ball control. Diouf has pace but again no control. We need ball control at pace and it's decades since we had that.
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Feb 11, 2019 15:19:07 GMT
Post by thanksjon on Feb 11, 2019 15:19:07 GMT
Sam Clueless was playing into the Boothen in the second half and he must be afraid of someone there because he had ample opportunity to carry the ball to the line and turned back on almost every occasion.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2019 15:20:59 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Pace has never been more important in football. You really can’t do much without it.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 11, 2019 15:25:51 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Kelly often travelled faster than the ball he was trying to control, which was a bit of a problem really.
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Feb 11, 2019 15:46:13 GMT
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Post by minnierover on Feb 11, 2019 15:46:13 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). To be fair think you’re a little out of date here. Pace is so vital these days, it’s a big part of the game and is needed in all areas of the pitch. The speed of Gibbs and Holgate as full backs for example, complimented Dawson and Hegazi nicely on Saturday and meant they could swiftly mop up any danger. You need it throughout a team and of course yes you need the skill to go with it. Hopefully Jones will add some in the summer.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 11, 2019 15:59:02 GMT
Pace.....closing down the opposition (not giving them time to settle on the ball).....& movement OFF the ball, are three big issues with me......three big issues that we lack to our game!!!
If I was a manager, these are the three issues I'd be looking to address straight away!!!
Jurgen Klopp uses all three in his tactics, and he's transformed Liverpool since Brendan Rogers days!!!
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Feb 11, 2019 16:00:44 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 11, 2019 16:00:44 GMT
Afobe and Diouf both have pace, but at least one of them needs to be picked to play alongside Vokes first! Afobe can't jump and has little ball control. Diouf has pace but again no control. We need ball control at pace and it's decades since we had that. You might be right, but they are still much better alternatives.
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Post by lordb on Feb 11, 2019 16:14:01 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). To be fair think you’re a little out of date here. Pace is so vital these days, it’s a big part of the game and is needed in all areas of the pitch. The speed of Gibbs and Holgate as full backs for example, complimented Dawson and Hegazi nicely on Saturday and meant they could swiftly mop up any danger. You need it throughout a team and of course yes you need the skill to go with it. Hopefully Jones will add some in the summer. I'm definitely out of date😀 Good players with pace,yes please. However still stand by my comment.
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Feb 11, 2019 16:26:08 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 16:26:08 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Pace has never been more important in football. You really can’t do much without it. Usain Bolt's short lived adventure into football tells us that pace or desire is not the be all and end all. You actually need a bit of talent for the game too.
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Post by Gifton on Feb 11, 2019 16:36:02 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Just because some players with pace were/are shit doesn't make the attribute "overrated".
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2019 16:42:03 GMT
Pace has never been more important in football. You really can’t do much without it. Usain Bolt's short lived adventure into football tells us that pace or desire is not the be all and end all. You actually need a bit of talent for the game too. Absolutely, but that doesn’t mean pace is overrated or not important, as has been suggested. You’ll struggle to find a successful team, particularly in this country, that doesn’t possess a significant amount of it. Liverpool’s improvement is founded on it. Leicester’s title win relied heavily on it. Our best spells over the past 10 years relied heavily on players who had it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 11, 2019 17:09:14 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Pace has never been more important in football. You really can’t do much without it. Like counter attack quickly.
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Feb 11, 2019 18:19:29 GMT
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Post by rawli on Feb 11, 2019 18:19:29 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Think you're on to something. Could you let all the world's best teams that they've got it wrong and that skilful plodders are the way forward.
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Feb 11, 2019 18:28:21 GMT
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Post by lordb on Feb 11, 2019 18:28:21 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Think you're on to something. Could you let all the world's best teams that they've got it wrong and that skilful plodders are the way forward. De Bruyne quick? Look quick and good great but in Stokes experience the only good genuinely quick player I can think of is Hansen. Quick and not much else? No ta.
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Feb 11, 2019 18:29:44 GMT
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Post by lordb on Feb 11, 2019 18:29:44 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Just because some players with pace were/are shit doesn't make the attribute "overrated". In Stokes case its not some, it's actually most of them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2019 18:57:23 GMT
Think you're on to something. Could you let all the world's best teams that they've got it wrong and that skilful plodders are the way forward. De Bruyne quick? Look quick and good great but in Stokes experience the only good genuinely quick player I can think of is Hansen. Quick and not much else? No ta. I don’t think anyone’s advocating quick and not much else to be fair. Pace is massively important to how Man City play, irrespective of whether De Bruyne isn’t the quickest or not. Fuller, Etherington, Pennant were all quick. Odemwingie and Assaidi were quick. Moses was absolutely rapid. Most of our best performances in the Prem have come with at least one of them in the team. Even Jerome, who was limited, often added something to us when he played towards the end of the Pulis era because he gave us an outlet.
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Feb 11, 2019 19:10:10 GMT
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Post by Gifton on Feb 11, 2019 19:10:10 GMT
Just because some players with pace were/are shit doesn't make the attribute "overrated". In Stokes case its not some, it's actually most of them. That's because players with quality and pace are usually out of Stoke's league. When we drop on a player with both pace and end product, for example Mark Stein, they're are taking from us by bigger fish in the pond. Granted, I haven't seen an abundance of that type of player at Stoke during my life time!
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Feb 11, 2019 19:14:53 GMT
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Post by retired1 on Feb 11, 2019 19:14:53 GMT
Pehrhaps we need more Hale as we don't have Pace
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Feb 11, 2019 19:53:58 GMT
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Post by rawli on Feb 11, 2019 19:53:58 GMT
Think you're on to something. Could you let all the world's best teams that they've got it wrong and that skilful plodders are the way forward. De Bruyne quick? Look quick and good great but in Stokes experience the only good genuinely quick player I can think of is Hansen. Quick and not much else? No ta. No one is saying get fast shit players though. And cherry picking examples isn't going to get round the fact that pace is important. Chamberlain and Etherington were no slouches. And Matthews was a sprint champion if you want to go down that route.
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Feb 11, 2019 19:55:05 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 11, 2019 19:55:05 GMT
Pace means teams leave 2 defenders back, making them less effective going forward. Granted I don’t want agbonglahor but it would be nice to have pacy fullbacks and wingers. Certainly helps putting a ball over the top or in behind slow defenders. Most players can finish 1on1 more often than not.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 11, 2019 20:01:11 GMT
De Bruyne quick? Look quick and good great but in Stokes experience the only good genuinely quick player I can think of is Hansen. Quick and not much else? No ta. I don’t think anyone’s advocating quick and not much else to be fair. Pace is massively important to how Man City play, irrespective of whether De Bruyne isn’t the quickest or not. Fuller, Etherington, Pennant were all quick. Odemwingie and Assaidi were quick. Moses was absolutely rapid. Most of our best performances in the Prem have come with at least one of them in the team. Even Jerome, who was limited, often added something to us when he played towards the end of the Pulis era because he gave us an outlet. Chamberlain, before that. Pace scares defenders shitless. Always has, always will. Pace: the final frontier. Or am I talking Shatner?
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Feb 11, 2019 20:08:55 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 11, 2019 20:08:55 GMT
The worrying thing about our two new signings is they actually look like the two slowest players in the squad.
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Feb 11, 2019 20:11:17 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Feb 11, 2019 20:11:17 GMT
Most overrated aspect in the game Give me talent, brains,desire over pace. Marc Goodfellow John Williams Tony Kelly Dave Regis Martin Carruthers Junior Bent All of them absolutely lighting fast and all absolutely useless (bit harsh on Regis maybe but wasn't great). Pace has never been more important in football. You really can’t do much without it. Totti, Pirlo, Barry, Puyol, Crouch and Mertesacker have all had pretty decent careers without any real pace.
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Feb 11, 2019 20:19:48 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 11, 2019 20:19:48 GMT
Pace has never been more important in football. You really can’t do much without it. Totti, Pirlo, Barry, Puyol, Crouch and Mertesacker have all had pretty decent careers without any real pace. You can't have a team full of them, though. Pace is a key attribute in a team.
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Feb 11, 2019 20:24:02 GMT
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Feb 11, 2019 20:24:02 GMT
I'm not advocating signing pacy @@@@ players.
That being said even if they are @@@@ it still effects the game. Opposition drop back, and encourages our own team to look for forward passes over the top as well as the tippy tappy .
Also if living off Vokes scraps having a yard of pace to get in ahead of the opposition would be useful
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2019 20:24:43 GMT
Pace has never been more important in football. You really can’t do much without it. Totti, Pirlo, Barry, Puyol, Crouch and Mertesacker have all had pretty decent careers without any real pace. I'm not saying all footballers need to have pace to be good. I'm saying few if any teams can achieve much without it.
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