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Post by melbournestokie21 on Feb 3, 2019 12:50:58 GMT
Hard to expect much from him after being out for so long but lets be honest he didnt effect the game at all yesterday. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon just yet saying hes crap because 3 managers havent picked him yet.
But the question I have is the unwavering support in him warranted and if so why aren't other players afforded this kind of treatment from the fans?
Most of the excuses I hear are confidence related etc and that he should be given a 10 game run or so in the team. It almost sounds reasonable but if you were to apply that to any other player in the squad itd be laughed at. The idea of giving a player not performing an extended run in the team just for a confidence boost.
Thoughts?
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Post by thehoof on Feb 3, 2019 12:53:28 GMT
I thought he was one of our better players yesterday- we looked much worse when we made the substitution.
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Post by neilb987 on Feb 3, 2019 12:54:21 GMT
Thought he was one of our better players yesterday. Better than some who've been playing all season. Shouldn't be taking corners though.
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Post by Davef on Feb 3, 2019 12:55:41 GMT
The support for him is warranted. He's a good player, he's given us some great memories and most Stokies are desperate to see him back to his best.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 3, 2019 12:55:47 GMT
Why does Bojan always get less of a chance than other players? It seemed like every time he had a bad game under Hughes, he'd be bombed out of the squad, whereas other players have been able to play a whole run of games poorly.
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Post by canadianmoose on Feb 3, 2019 12:56:07 GMT
He was tidy and spotted most openings for a forward pass yesterday. Hasn’t played much at all this season so early to judge.
I will say Tom Ince was less than useless in replacing him. Make of that what you will......
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 3, 2019 12:56:22 GMT
He was not brilliant but made more of an impact than most and looked like the only one who could do something different
Given how long he has been out I thought he did more than ok - not wow, but more than ok
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Post by wuzza on Feb 3, 2019 12:56:30 GMT
In the big picture of turning this ship around and having a brighter future his influence will probably be negligible.
He is however one of the few straws that people have to clutch at at the moment and for that if nothing else he serves a purpose.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 3, 2019 12:57:16 GMT
He was tidy and spotted most openings for a forward pass yesterday. Hasn’t played much at all this season so early to judge. I will say Tom Ince was less than useless in replacing him. Make of that what you will...... Ince looked like he did not want to be there or played like he was not there |
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 3, 2019 12:58:36 GMT
Like I said in the other Bojan thread he put the ball in the box that resulted the penalty and it was his freekick that Batth headed against the woodwork. So our two best goal scoring opportunities were created by Bojan.
Strange post, but obviously you have some kind of an agenda against him.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Feb 3, 2019 12:58:55 GMT
He should have taken the penalty.
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Post by dudnostokie on Feb 3, 2019 13:00:30 GMT
I think the unwavering support is mainly due to the unfair treatment of him by the previous managers. We know the lad has ability, and he suits the attacking midfielder role better than anyone else at the club, yet he was tossed aside and didn't even get into the match day squad.
I don't think he's played amazingly, but yesterdays showing was one of the more positive things to come from the game. I thought he controlled the ball well, kept possession and shown some insightful passes, and that was his first game for us in a considerable amount of time. Yes his corners didn't come to fruition, but I'm so happy to see him trying something new rather than aimlessly lumping it into the box. If one had come off, we would be singing his praises.
The problem I have with your post is that you imply that he shouldn't be given a string of games to show his form, yet you're disregarding his performance when this problem is a huge factor. At this point in time, he is the best player we have that fits the tip of the diamond. As such, I think we should persevere and give him the chance to show what he can do with a consistent run of games.
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Post by canadianmoose on Feb 3, 2019 13:00:54 GMT
He was tidy and spotted most openings for a forward pass yesterday. Hasn’t played much at all this season so early to judge. I will say Tom Ince was less than useless in replacing him. Make of that what you will...... Ince looked like he did not want to be there or played like he was not there I don’t think Ince has wanted to be here from day 1. Thinks he’s a premier league player doing us a favour. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 3, 2019 13:01:34 GMT
Some are absolutely desperate for him to fail just to appease some weird “I told you so” fetish.
The best footballer in the team, without question.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 13:02:48 GMT
Because he can actually pass a ball forwards with accuracy but yeah he didn’t single handedly win us the game with a double hat trick so he’s shit now
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 3, 2019 13:06:55 GMT
Bojan is virtually the only actual footballer we have on our books. He is streets ahead in both ability and vision than everyone around him - it’ll take time for the others to up their games around him.
Bojan = hope.
Simples.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 3, 2019 13:11:08 GMT
Hard to expect much from him after being out for so long but lets be honest he didnt effect the game at all yesterday. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon just yet saying hes crap because 3 managers havent picked him yet. But the question I have is the unwavering support in him warranted and if so why aren't other players afforded this kind of treatment from the fans? Most of the excuses I hear are confidence related etc and that he should be given a 10 game run or so in the team. It almost sounds reasonable but if you were to apply that to any other player in the squad itd be laughed at. The idea of giving a player not performing an extended run in the team just for a confidence boost. Thoughts? Maybe he would have looked better if the rest of the team had have turned up too??? Not sure how you drag Bojan out of that lot as the one who had a mediocre game??? |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 3, 2019 13:12:03 GMT
why he was hauled off before Clucas I'll never know......he needs a good run of starts and now is the time to make this happen...
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 3, 2019 13:13:26 GMT
Ince looked like he did not want to be there or played like he was not there I don’t think Ince has wanted to be here from day 1. Thinks he’s a premier league player doing us a favour. The sooner Rowett's signings are gone the better. To a man his signings have been a £40million disaster. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 3, 2019 13:17:48 GMT
Some are absolutely desperate for him to fail just to appease some weird “I told you so” fetish. The best footballer in the team, without question. I don’t buy that. I’d love to see him rip the Championship apart for us, but let’s be realistic. He’s done nothing, absolutely nothing either with us, or two other clubs on loan in three years. The chances are the guy is a busted flush, and we are hoping for a repeat of an eight game purple patch four years ago to rescue us. It ain’t happening. |
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Post by FrankButcher on Feb 3, 2019 13:21:30 GMT
I thought he was one of our better players yesterday- we looked much worse when we made the substitution. Completely agree we seemed much worse when bojan came off, Ince was utterly useless and ineffective when he was brought on! |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 3, 2019 13:21:53 GMT
Some are absolutely desperate for him to fail just to appease some weird “I told you so” fetish. The best footballer in the team, without question. I don’t buy that. I’d love to see him rip the Championship apart for us, but let’s be realistic. He’s done nothing, absolutely nothing either with us, or two other clubs on loan in three years. The chances are the guy is a busted flush, and we are hoping for a repeat of an eight game purple patch four years ago to rescue us. It ain’t happening. People clung on to Jon Walters’ six month purple patch for six years. Bojan was an integral part of the best football I’ve ever seen a Stoke team play, and for some reason has been ostracised whilst we have to watch repeated shite from the likes of Joe Allen, Peter Etebo and Tom Ince, who week on week produce next to fuck all but escape the cull. Ability wise, even if he lost a leg he’s in a completely different league to the plodders we’re infested with. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Feb 3, 2019 13:26:57 GMT
Some are absolutely desperate for him to fail just to appease some weird “I told you so” fetish. The best footballer in the team, without question. I don’t buy that. I’d love to see him rip the Championship apart for us, but let’s be realistic. He’s done nothing, absolutely nothing either with us, or two other clubs on loan in three years. The chances are the guy is a busted flush, and we are hoping for a repeat of an eight game purple patch four years ago to rescue us. It ain’t happening. What a load of bollocks. He is the only creative player we have. Even in short spells he still makes things happen. Created the only 2 chances we had yesterday. There are at least a dozen actual busted flushes currently representing the club and I really disagree that Bojan is one of them. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 3, 2019 13:30:38 GMT
I don’t buy that. I’d love to see him rip the Championship apart for us, but let’s be realistic. He’s done nothing, absolutely nothing either with us, or two other clubs on loan in three years. The chances are the guy is a busted flush, and we are hoping for a repeat of an eight game purple patch four years ago to rescue us. It ain’t happening. People clung on to Jon Walters’ six month purple patch for six years. Bojan was an integral part of the best football I’ve ever seen a Stoke team play, and for some reason has been ostracised whilst we have to watch repeated shite from the likes of Joe Allen, Peter Etebo and Tom Ince, who week on week produce next to fuck all but escape the cull. Ability wise, even if he lost a leg he’s in a completely different league to the plodders we’re infested with. So why have three managers, plus the other managers at the two loan clubs not picked him then? Walters is no where near as good a footballer as Bojan in a technical sense, I agree. But there is so much more that goes into being a professional footballer than skill. I gather that Bojan has long standing issues that go beyond his knee injury that have held him back. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 3, 2019 13:31:39 GMT
I don’t buy that. I’d love to see him rip the Championship apart for us, but let’s be realistic. He’s done nothing, absolutely nothing either with us, or two other clubs on loan in three years. The chances are the guy is a busted flush, and we are hoping for a repeat of an eight game purple patch four years ago to rescue us. It ain’t happening. What a load of bollocks. He is the only creative player we have. Even in short spells he still makes things happen. Created the only 2 chances we had yesterday. There are at least a dozen actual busted flushes currently representing the club and I really disagree that Bojan is one of them. It’s not bollocks, he’s done nothing for us for years. Why is a different debate. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Feb 3, 2019 13:36:44 GMT
What a load of bollocks. He is the only creative player we have. Even in short spells he still makes things happen. Created the only 2 chances we had yesterday. There are at least a dozen actual busted flushes currently representing the club and I really disagree that Bojan is one of them. It’s not bollocks, he’s done nothing for us for years. Why is a different debate. He's done nothing because he has barely had a chance to. Certainly nowhere near the amount of chances as we have seen awarded to several of his teammates. |
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Post by tosh on Feb 3, 2019 13:38:30 GMT
I wonder how many of the people making negative comments about Bojan yesterday, were actually at the match. He’s obviously a bit rusty but looked a class above most out there.
We were in the match while he was on the pitch and deflated like a pricked balloon when he was replaced by Ince. Hopefully he gets a proper run of games.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 3, 2019 13:39:28 GMT
It’s not bollocks, he’s done nothing for us for years. Why is a different debate. He's done nothing because he has barely had a chance to. Certainly nowhere near the amount of chances as we have seen awarded to several of his teammates. Why has he “barely had a chance” Why have three different Stoke managers, plus the other coaches of the clubs he’s been on loan to, chosen not to play him? |
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Post by LiverpoolStokie on Feb 3, 2019 13:39:35 GMT
In my view however much Bojan was or was not involved yesterday what was clear is that Hull were always aware that he was on the pitch and so played within themselves because of his potential threat. Once gone they opened up more as they knew Ince presented a totally different threat - he clearly thinks passing is to him not from him. As a poster above said our only two real chances came from Bojan's boot. All decent teams need at least one creative player and at the moment Bojan is the main option for me. He needs a decent run of games to gain match fitness, touch and form. If he fails after that then fair enough we have the evidence that maybe he isn't the answer but given that this I season is over re promotion then he should be given the chance.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 3, 2019 13:45:52 GMT
What a load of bollocks. He is the only creative player we have. Even in short spells he still makes things happen. Created the only 2 chances we had yesterday. There are at least a dozen actual busted flushes currently representing the club and I really disagree that Bojan is one of them. It’s not bollocks, he’s done nothing for us for years. Why is a different debate. You can say the same about Ince and the number of clubs and managers he has had couldn’t you. |
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