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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 9:52:12 GMT
I'm not convinced he would have been so awful under GR if he didn't have to change his tactics early on to protect our pathetic excuse for a defence. Only last season he scored 20 goals didn't he? The game hasn't moved on that fast surely? Its absolutely stupid to me to sign a Charlie Austin ( won't happen anyway because we won't pay his wages) or a vokes atm when our defence is so pathetic. Maybe if we sort that out first we can push further forward as a team and some of these current no hopers might benefit as a result. If Jones starts spending on the frontline before sorting the abortion at the back out he loses my vote. All good managers build from the back and arrange the area in front to compliment them, not the other way around GR didn’t change the tactics. He played 433 throughout pre-season, briefly chopped and changed in a panic after the shit start and then returned to 433. Afobe has only ever worked in that system when he’s had bags and bags of pace either side of him - something else GR neglected to sign. Generally he’s needed a strike partner, but Rowett laughed off the notion of playing two up front and hasn’t really been interested in that kind of system since he was at Burton. No, he didn’t get 20 goals last season. Not even close. It's half 9 mate I've only just got out of bed I need to wake up before an in depth discussion about where and what GR did anything lol, even if you are right it still doesn't justify paying 9m for a 29 year old at this stage, we are miles off the pace, we'd be adding a pricey ageing cherry to a rancid cake.. pointless.
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Post by scfc5 on Jan 27, 2019 9:54:55 GMT
GR didn’t change the tactics. He played 433 throughout pre-season, briefly chopped and changed in a panic after the shit start and then returned to 433. Afobe has only ever worked in that system when he’s had bags and bags of pace either side of him - something else GR neglected to sign. Generally he’s needed a strike partner, but Rowett laughed off the notion of playing two up front and hasn’t really been interested in that kind of system since he was at Burton. No, he didn’t get 20 goals last season. Not even close. It's half 9 mate I've only just got out of bed I need to wake up before an in depth discussion about where and what GR did anything lol, even if you are right it still doesn't justify paying 9m for a 29 year old at this stage, we are miles off the pace, we'd be adding a pricey ageing cherry to a rancid cake.. pointless. It’s clear from Jones’ interview that he’s after a striker and centre-half. Just because the striker might come first doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it, surely?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 9:56:38 GMT
It's half 9 mate I've only just got out of bed I need to wake up before an in depth discussion about where and what GR did anything lol, even if you are right it still doesn't justify paying 9m for a 29 year old at this stage, we are miles off the pace, we'd be adding a pricey ageing cherry to a rancid cake.. pointless. It’s clear from Jones’ interview that he’s after a striker and centre-half. Just because the striker might come first doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it, surely? It does to me when the whole backline needs replacing, we arn't doing anything this year so why we need a striker at present is beyond me, spend it all on the backline and build from there for me. 2 new full backs and 2 new centre backs we need, at least
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Post by fac79 on Jan 27, 2019 9:58:46 GMT
Whole new back 4 priority.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 27, 2019 10:06:42 GMT
It’s clear from Jones’ interview that he’s after a striker and centre-half. Just because the striker might come first doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it, surely? It does to me when the whole backline needs replacing, we arn't doing anything this year so why we need a striker at present is beyond me, spend it all on the backline and build from there for me. 2 new full backs and 2 new centre backs we need, at least We need a striker if we aren’t going to flirt with the Dreaded double down
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 10:10:05 GMT
It does to me when the whole backline needs replacing, we arn't doing anything this year so why we need a striker at present is beyond me, spend it all on the backline and build from there for me. 2 new full backs and 2 new centre backs we need, at least We need a striker if we aren’t going to flirt with the Dreaded double down Why who is going to supply them? Stop the goals going in for me is the first port of call
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 10:14:52 GMT
It does to me when the whole backline needs replacing, we arn't doing anything this year so why we need a striker at present is beyond me, spend it all on the backline and build from there for me. 2 new full backs and 2 new centre backs we need, at least We need a striker if we aren’t going to flirt with the Dreaded double down Also say we spend 9m on a striker, we are a championship club now we can't just go throwing around 9m on 29 year old strikers when the defence is a write off, we have to spend smart. That 9 m we need to restructure the defence
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2019 10:15:56 GMT
GR didn’t change the tactics. He played 433 throughout pre-season, briefly chopped and changed in a panic after the shit start and then returned to 433. Afobe has only ever worked in that system when he’s had bags and bags of pace either side of him - something else GR neglected to sign. Generally he’s needed a strike partner, but Rowett laughed off the notion of playing two up front and hasn’t really been interested in that kind of system since he was at Burton. No, he didn’t get 20 goals last season. Not even close. It's half 9 mate I've only just got out of bed I need to wake up before an in depth discussion about where and what GR did anything lol, even if you are right it still doesn't justify paying 9m for a 29 year old at this stage, we are miles off the pace, we'd be adding a pricey ageing cherry to a rancid cake.. pointless. I don't know if Austin or Vokes is the answer or not but it is possible to sign more than one player, you do get that right? We signed Neil Cutler and Peter Hoekstra on the same day once, that must've blown your mind. The club clearly want at least one centre back too and that appears to be our priority.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 10:19:40 GMT
It's half 9 mate I've only just got out of bed I need to wake up before an in depth discussion about where and what GR did anything lol, even if you are right it still doesn't justify paying 9m for a 29 year old at this stage, we are miles off the pace, we'd be adding a pricey ageing cherry to a rancid cake.. pointless. I don't know if Austin is the answer or not but it is possible to sign more than one player, you do get that right? We signed Neil Cutler and Peter Hoekstra on the same day once, that must've blown your mind. Yes but again, we are a championship club now that 9m needs to be spent on priority areas, we can't just go around chucking 9m on 29 year old strikers when the backline needs major surgery. Great if we have a bottomless pit of money but we havnt have we, sooner or later we will have to tighten the purse. Build from the back and pick a vokes or Austin up on loan next season.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 27, 2019 10:20:27 GMT
We need a striker if we aren’t going to flirt with the Dreaded double down Also say we spend 9m on a striker, we are a championship club now we can't just go throwing around 9m on 29 year old strikers when the defence is a write off, we have to spend smart They won’t sign permanently in the next 4 days but we do need some goals from somewhere . Actually Jones needs to stop being quite so naive about systems and youngsters , Adam has shown we’ve better experienced players , at hull if fit , Pieters , Diouf , ince all need to feature , nows not the time for experimental learning unless we fancy making the last few games interesting For all the wrong reasons
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2019 10:28:50 GMT
I don't know if Austin is the answer or not but it is possible to sign more than one player, you do get that right? We signed Neil Cutler and Peter Hoekstra on the same day once, that must've blown your mind. Yes but again, we are a championship club now that 9m needs to be spent on priority areas, we can't just go around chucking 9m on 29 year old strikers when the backline needs major surgery. Great if we have a bottomless pit of money but we havnt have we, sooner or later we will have to tighten the purse. Build from the back and pick a vokes or Austin up on loan next season. If the money's there now and the players we want are there now then why not get them in now? The bottomless pit of money issue will be there in the summer too if that's the case, won't it? The big concern is that it's potentially another big hit on another has-been.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 10:35:55 GMT
Yes but again, we are a championship club now that 9m needs to be spent on priority areas, we can't just go around chucking 9m on 29 year old strikers when the backline needs major surgery. Great if we have a bottomless pit of money but we havnt have we, sooner or later we will have to tighten the purse. Build from the back and pick a vokes or Austin up on loan next season. If the money's there now and the players we want are there now then why not get them in now? The bottomless pit of money issue will be there in the summer too if that's the case, won't it? The big concern is that it's potentially another big hit on another has-been. I'd rather keep the striker money in the pocket, spend 9m on Clarke if necessary than a 29 year old striker, if there is another 9 or 10 million I'd also like that to be spent on the defence additionally. What we'll end up doing is spending 9m on a striker and scraping the barrel on the defence (again) when that area has been our Achilles heel for 3 years and counting. It's become a standing joke that's just ignored. you arn't going to win matches if you conceed goals like we do. It's about time we took the defence seriously in the transfer market and prioritised it because it's a long standing joke now. You watch, we'll spend 9m on a striker and scrape the barrel for defensive signings, age8ng loans and cheap full backs
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 10:47:58 GMT
Also say we spend 9m on a striker, we are a championship club now we can't just go throwing around 9m on 29 year old strikers when the defence is a write off, we have to spend smart They won’t sign permanently in the next 4 days but we do need some goals from somewhere . Actually Jones needs to stop being quite so naive about systems and youngsters , Adam has shown we’ve better experienced players , at hull if fit , Pieters , Diouf , ince all need to feature , nows not the time for experimental learning unless we fancy making the last few games interesting For all the wrong reasons To avoid the drop that you are hinting at you need a solid defence, ours is anything but.. super Preston moved up to 16th yesterday after scoring 2 past us at home. Just write the season off for what it is and spend the whole lot of money this window on the defence and let's start building for next season... from the back. Shawcross and bmi.. tell them thanks but start looking for a new club for next season.. tried and tested not good enough anymore.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2019 10:52:26 GMT
If the money's there now and the players we want are there now then why not get them in now? The bottomless pit of money issue will be there in the summer too if that's the case, won't it? The big concern is that it's potentially another big hit on another has-been. I'd rather keep the striker money in the pocket, spend 9m on Clarke if necessary than a 29 year old striker, if there is another 9 or 10 million I'd also like that to be spent on the defence additionally. What we'll end up doing is spending 9m on a striker and scraping the barrel on the defence (again) when that area has been our Achilles heel for 3 years and counting. It's become a standing joke that's just ignored. you arn't going to win matches if you conceed goals like we do. It's about time we took the defence seriously in the transfer market and prioritised it because it's a long standing joke now. You watch, we'll spend 9m on a striker and scrape the barrel for defensive signings, age8ng loans and cheap full backs But we've identified central defence as our top priority?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 10:56:42 GMT
I'd rather keep the striker money in the pocket, spend 9m on Clarke if necessary than a 29 year old striker, if there is another 9 or 10 million I'd also like that to be spent on the defence additionally. What we'll end up doing is spending 9m on a striker and scraping the barrel on the defence (again) when that area has been our Achilles heel for 3 years and counting. It's become a standing joke that's just ignored. you arn't going to win matches if you conceed goals like we do. It's about time we took the defence seriously in the transfer market and prioritised it because it's a long standing joke now. You watch, we'll spend 9m on a striker and scrape the barrel for defensive signings, age8ng loans and cheap full backs But we've identified central defence as our top priority? Not just one we need two, full backs should be second top priority imo. Another thing, rumours of 9m for a 29 year old?? At least under GR their were rumours we were in for a 22 year old Che Adams for the same kind of money
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2019 11:08:00 GMT
But we've identified central defence as our top priority? Not just one we need two, full backs should be second top priority imo. Another thing, rumours of 9m for a 29 year old?? At least under GR their were rumours we were in for a 22 year old Che Adams for the same kind of money Yes, because he'd so royally fucked things up with his first window. Bravo, Gaz.
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Post by adi on Jan 27, 2019 11:09:34 GMT
He was garbage. Nothing like his performance last week. McClean was terrible, he’d the control and touch of a castrated donkey thought he was also going to get sent off Was it him who danced through a few Preston defenders into the box?
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Post by adi on Jan 27, 2019 11:11:52 GMT
We need something up front as well because Afobe is fucking terrible. Maybe so but Charlie Austin's wages (assuming it's a loan deal) never mind a transfer fee? He's on 100k a week at Southampton. Surely we have more pressing issues like building from the back.. it's about time we had some shit hot full backs and central defenders.. we've been a soft touch for far too long at the back, it's beginning to take the piss now Where have you got those wages from? I’ve read £70k per week.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 11:11:53 GMT
Not just one we need two, full backs should be second top priority imo. Another thing, rumours of 9m for a 29 year old?? At least under GR their were rumours we were in for a 22 year old Che Adams for the same kind of money Yes, because he'd so royally fucked things up with his first window. Bravo, Gaz. Absolutely bravo, Adams can play anywhere along the front 3 and would also had a resale value, he'd have played alongside afobe at times not just soley in place of him. We sign vokes he's good for one position with no resale value
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 11:13:11 GMT
Maybe so but Charlie Austin's wages (assuming it's a loan deal) never mind a transfer fee? He's on 100k a week at Southampton. Surely we have more pressing issues like building from the back.. it's about time we had some shit hot full backs and central defenders.. we've been a soft touch for far too long at the back, it's beginning to take the piss now Where have you got those wages from? I’ve read £70k per week. i remember him sihning his contract mate and the raised eyebrows his 100k a week made
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Post by adi on Jan 27, 2019 11:15:55 GMT
Where have you got those wages from? I’ve read £70k per week. i remember him sihning his contract mate and the raised eyebrows his 100k a week made Must be recent?? This is what google throws up: www.spotrac.com/epl/southampton-f.c/payroll/
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2019 11:17:12 GMT
Yes, because he'd so royally fucked things up with his first window. Bravo, Gaz. Absolutely bravo, Adams can play anywhere along the front 3 and would also had a resale value, he'd have played alongside afobe at times not just soley in place of him. We sign vokes he's good for one position with no resale value There is literally no basis for saying he'd have done that whatsoever. None.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 11:17:51 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 11:19:45 GMT
Absolutely bravo, Adams can play anywhere along the front 3 and would also had a resale value, he'd have played alongside afobe at times not just soley in place of him. We sign vokes he's good for one position with no resale value There is literally no basis for saying he'd have done that whatsoever. None. There is no basis for saying he wouldn't have done either, Adams is a creator he'd have worked well alongside afobe.. pace & power too
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Post by kelw on Jan 27, 2019 11:25:51 GMT
McClean was terrible, he’d the control and touch of a castrated donkey thought he was also going to get sent off Was it him who danced through a few Preston defenders into the box? The McClean bashing getting a bit old hat. The only player who got at their defence and turned the game v Leeds last week but blinkered hatred gets in the way I guess
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 27, 2019 11:33:08 GMT
Sentinel say he was on "the list" in the summer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2019 11:43:43 GMT
There is literally no basis for saying he'd have done that whatsoever. None. There is no basis for saying he wouldn't have done either, Adams is a creator he'd have worked well alongside afobe.. pace & power too Erm, there is a basis for saying he wouldn't have done. The fact that he could have used that kind of system and, erm, didn't. Even against the very worst teams in the league at home. He laughed off the idea that he should even consider it.
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Post by adi on Jan 27, 2019 11:51:14 GMT
I’d take anything that clown has to say with a bucket of salt. We wouldn’t pay £60k per week let alone 70 or 100
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 11:56:39 GMT
There is no basis for saying he wouldn't have done either, Adams is a creator he'd have worked well alongside afobe.. pace & power too Erm, there is a basis for saying he wouldn't have done. The fact that he could have used that kind of system and, erm, didn't. Even against the very worst teams in the league at home. He laughed off the idea that he should even consider it. Rowett played 433 at derby often with the front 3 containing 2 forwards/ strikers, Lawrence, vydra, nugent
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 11:59:06 GMT
I’d take anything that clown has to say with a bucket of salt. We wouldn’t pay £60k per week let alone 70 or 100 I hope not, great when it's the final cherry on the cake and the team is geared up to add the final piece. Just seems pointless to me atm when teams like Preston are scoring 2 against us at home
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