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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 26, 2019 22:01:30 GMT
"Late premier league promotion push"
After today, no chance. Start building for next season and build from the back
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Post by Absolution on Jan 26, 2019 22:05:46 GMT
Did Big Bren have any kids, grandchildren ? Yeah, Crouchie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 22:05:53 GMT
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Post by juiceandbits on Jan 26, 2019 22:06:58 GMT
Never seen Sam Vokes play tbf. Would love Austin but not exactly the ideal age.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 26, 2019 22:11:24 GMT
As the Leeds fan says we have to play all the top teams , this is a matter of survival , Bet Fred cut our odds to be relegated by 30% today 300 to 200 to 1 now , we need 4 wins to reach the conventional benchmark these types of players might just see us safe and set fo complete the gigantic rebuild
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Post by march4 on Jan 26, 2019 22:12:02 GMT
Never seen Sam Vokes play tbf. Would love Austin but not exactly the ideal age. Vokes is just what we need, mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 22:12:52 GMT
As the Leeds fan says we have to play all the top teams , this is a matter of survival , Bet Fred cut our odds to be relegated by 30% today 300 to 200 to 1 now , we need 4 wins to reach the conventional benchmark these types of players might just see us safe and set fo complete the gigantic rebuild Given how our motley crue of entitled shithouses rise to the occasion, then the fact we play all the top teams might just save the season.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 26, 2019 22:19:11 GMT
Didn't Burnley originally want Clucas? Now he isn't injured I'd swap for Vokes all day long.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 22:29:00 GMT
Thought we were going for lower league players with something to prove rather than ageing premier league journeymen. Don't we have enough of the latter and isn't that partly why we're in this mess ?
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Post by harryh157 on Jan 26, 2019 22:32:44 GMT
Hope we are offering top dollar for these 30(?) year olds who will not solve our scoring problems as we simply don’t create enough. We need more aged football pro’s drawing top pensions and not playing to solve our problems. Why can our scouting team not go and find YOUNG talent?
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Post by tony1234 on Jan 26, 2019 22:44:37 GMT
If I was Austin.... would want to play, but be maximising wages ... so either stay in PL or look for Champs club that would give me a big bonus for helping them up. 1) stay at Soton, 2) Brighton, 3) Wolves, 4) Newcastle, 5) Cardiff, 6) WBA, 7) Villa, 8) Leeds, 9) Sheff U.... think we'd be about 12th choice
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Post by mickmacc on Jan 26, 2019 22:46:13 GMT
It’s a straight swap . Crouch for Vokes. Dyche has got the better deal
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Post by stokefc on Jan 26, 2019 22:53:30 GMT
the fucking scum sun,have they been reading the oatie , they print absolute bollocks
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Post by apb1979 on Jan 27, 2019 0:17:23 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 27, 2019 0:21:12 GMT
Vokes is very decent but won’t happen we won’t pay 9m for a player.
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Post by musik on Jan 27, 2019 2:28:34 GMT
And we know we need a real focal point up front. So we've been active in certain things. It'd be wrong to say any names. But we have too many of the same kind of striker - quick ones that want to go in beyond. We need a bit of nous up there, someone who is going to give us a platform. That's what we lack at the minute. Come to Papa! They should have asked me from the start. Papa knows. 😁
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Post by kustokie on Jan 27, 2019 2:45:18 GMT
Hope we are offering top dollar for these 30(?) year olds who will not solve our scoring problems as we simply don’t create enough. We need more aged football pro’s drawing top pensions and not playing to solve our problems. Why can our scouting team not go and find YOUNG talent? We have a scouting team? Could have fooled me. It pains me to say it but the only decent players we have bought in the last few years have been through Hughes’s overseas contacts. Arni, Shaq, and Bojan. Plus Joe Allen, which was also his idea. Diouf was good when he first came but personal problems plus being converted to a winger finished his career. He also bought more than his fair share of dogs like Imbula, Berahino, Wollscheidt, Shea, Wimmer, Jesé. Since then nothing, zero, nada, zilch, sweet FA.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 27, 2019 4:00:42 GMT
Never seen Sam Vokes play tbf. Would love Austin but not exactly the ideal age. Vokes is just what we need, mate. And one of a long list of strikers dismissed on here. Vokes, Deeney, Ings, King, Wilson have all been laughed at by The Oatcake at various times. I would kill for any of them now. At least Jones has identified a need in the side, something that Rowett didn't do.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2019 4:28:43 GMT
Who was our last player who could play down the middle and could bully defenders, or defenders would have at least known they’d been in a game?
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jan 27, 2019 8:33:54 GMT
We need to progress not stagger to the end of the season. We need to build up some initiative or we’ll end up going into next season with the same negativity. Even a couple of new players will give us a much needed boost. If we sign no one we’ll sleep walk into next season. The new manager needs some support. Today showed were still a long way off being a decent side. The players just aren’t available for obvious reasons so why waste cash on ‘tokens’. Let’s see how good Jones is and see if he can’t make the current selection more effective and get the best out of them. He should be able to make some impact with this lot. Not sure about that. The squad shows all the hallmarks of one put together by 2 or 3 managers over a short space of time. There are too many me too players especially in midfield and not one of those who played yesterday can judge the strength of a pass or even complete one over 10 yards. It's a real mess summed up by not being able to score from the spot again. I haven't been so disinterested in them for a long time.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 27, 2019 8:44:55 GMT
I thought we’d moved on from signing players coming to the end of their careers for big money.
I thought all these hidings by teams full of players you’d never heard of would have been enough of a clue. Names mean nothing.
Give me a striker from the Championship or League one hungry and young with a point to prove over any of these has beens. They are obviously on their way down as players if they are prepared to sign for a bottom half Championship side as players, says enough about them as players really.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 27, 2019 9:14:21 GMT
Hope we are offering top dollar for these 30(?) year olds who will not solve our scoring problems as we simply don’t create enough. We need more aged football pro’s drawing top pensions and not playing to solve our problems. Why can our scouting team not go and find YOUNG talent? It's harder to get 25 dvd's, of lower league player, to watch!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2019 9:20:01 GMT
That doesn’t mean we don’t need a striker as well, if it’s Austin or someone else. Afobe can do one for me, he doesn’t give a shit. Afobe is a proven goalscorer, why is he shit now he's at stoke is my question? Quite a few reasons. 1) The manager who saw fit to name him his top target and make him the sixth most expensive Stoke player in history had no idea how to use him 2) He’s never been great as an actual footballer - he’s just a poacher and the game has moved on from that 3) His confidence is on the floor and he’s lazy to boot There’s hope for him as part of a front two but he needs to be arsed himself. I’ve almost written him off because he was just garbage yesterday.
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Post by scfc5 on Jan 27, 2019 9:28:48 GMT
Afobe is a proven goalscorer, why is he shit now he's at stoke is my question? Quite a few reasons. 1) The manager who saw fit to name him his top target and make him the sixth most expensive Stoke player in history had no idea how to use him 2) He’s never been great as an actual footballer - he’s just a poacher and the game has moved on from that 3) His confidence is on the floor and he’s lazy to boot There’s hope for him as part of a front two but he needs to be arsed himself. I’ve almost written him off because he was just garbage yesterday. Hopefully he’ll come alive with a target man alongside. Vokes is expensive but guaranteed goals at this level always will be. He’s a solution for this season and the next two at most, but if we shift a couple out he’ll do for me. As others have said, at least Jones has identified a deficiency (too many similar strikers) and gone to sort it.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 9:31:44 GMT
Afobe is a proven goalscorer, why is he shit now he's at stoke is my question? Quite a few reasons. 1) The manager who saw fit to name him his top target and make him the sixth most expensive Stoke player in history had no idea how to use him 2) He’s never been great as an actual footballer - he’s just a poacher and the game has moved on from that 3) His confidence is on the floor and he’s lazy to boot There’s hope for him as part of a front two but he needs to be arsed himself. I’ve almost written him off because he was just garbage yesterday. I'm not convinced he would have been so awful under GR if he didn't have to change his tactics early on to protect our pathetic excuse for a defence. Only last season he scored 20 goals didn't he? The game hasn't moved on that fast surely? Its absolutely stupid to me to sign a Charlie Austin ( won't happen anyway because we won't pay his wages) or a vokes atm when our defence is so pathetic. Maybe if we sort that out first we can push further forward as a team and some of these current no hopers might benefit as a result. If Jones starts spending on the frontline before sorting the abortion at the back out he loses my vote. All good managers build from the back and arrange the area in front to compliment them, not the other way around
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 27, 2019 9:32:42 GMT
Vokes is very decent but won’t happen we won’t pay 9m for a player. We payed twice that for wimmer
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 27, 2019 9:36:35 GMT
Vokes is very decent but won’t happen we won’t pay 9m for a player. We payed twice that for wimmer We shouldn't be spending 9m on any 29 year old in our current league standing imo
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 9:40:39 GMT
It’s a straight swap . Crouch for Vokes. Dyche has got the better deal I'd swap Peter Crouch for a mouldy oatcake and I'd still have the better deal.
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Post by adi on Jan 27, 2019 9:43:40 GMT
Interesting that Jones says that's one of the 2 areas (along with defence) they're in the market for next week. Says we've got a lot that want to get in behind, but we need another type. Hints at interest in Austin? We might have a lot who want get in behind, the problem is we can’t play that way to give them the chance. Absolutely. We barely threatened their goal yesterday. Afobe has a great record in teams that actually get the ball to him. That said he was embarrassingly weak yet again
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2019 9:47:08 GMT
Quite a few reasons. 1) The manager who saw fit to name him his top target and make him the sixth most expensive Stoke player in history had no idea how to use him 2) He’s never been great as an actual footballer - he’s just a poacher and the game has moved on from that 3) His confidence is on the floor and he’s lazy to boot There’s hope for him as part of a front two but he needs to be arsed himself. I’ve almost written him off because he was just garbage yesterday. I'm not convinced he would have been so awful under GR if he didn't have to change his tactics early on to protect our pathetic excuse for a defence. Only last season he scored 20 goals didn't he? The game hasn't moved on that fast surely? Its absolutely stupid to me to sign a Charlie Austin ( won't happen anyway because we won't pay his wages) or a vokes atm when our defence is so pathetic. Maybe if we sort that out first we can push further forward as a team and some of these current no hopers might benefit as a result. If Jones starts spending on the frontline before sorting the abortion at the back out he loses my vote. All good managers build from the back and arrange the area in front to compliment them, not the other way around GR didn’t change the tactics. He played 433 throughout pre-season, briefly chopped and changed in a panic after the shit start and then returned to 433. Afobe has only ever worked in that system when he’s had bags and bags of pace either side of him - something else GR neglected to sign. Generally he’s needed a strike partner, but Rowett laughed off the notion of playing two up front and hasn’t really been interested in that kind of system since he was at Burton. No, he didn’t get 20 goals last season. Not even close.
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