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Post by Lightwood on Jan 12, 2019 16:57:31 GMT
NJ has a massive rebuild to do. Will clearly take numerous transfer windows to sort out but will our fans be patient. Reading the internet today it's now the players turn to be targeted for abuse, I'm sure this will have a positive outcome  |
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Post by Pedropotter on Jan 12, 2019 16:59:14 GMT
If they have got any sense, yes. So no.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 16:59:29 GMT
If they haven't then this club will be in the doldrums for many, many years. |
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Post by sealion100 on Jan 12, 2019 17:00:58 GMT
Not sure, been a supporter 40 years.. I can tell a Good side when I see one..... this isn’t a good side needs ripping up and starting again
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 12, 2019 17:02:00 GMT
I think most people are slowly beginning to accept that this side look more like a League One outfit than a Premier League one.
As long as we don't go down again (I don't think we will), the rest of this season should be spent getting the few players we should keep used to NJ's diamond formation and shipping out any players either not suited by it, no longer good enough or any 'big names' we can get a decent fee for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 17:02:14 GMT
I hope so. I for one am just happy we seem to have a young positive manager who has an incredible rebuilding job to do and its going to take a very long time but at least he has a positive attacking focus.
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Post by redwhite on Jan 12, 2019 17:05:48 GMT
I don't know if it will necessarily take 'numerous transfer windows'.
The ability of our squad isn't the reason we're 14th. The misuse of them, and the mental tactics of Rowett are the reason we're 14th. That's not to say that we don't need to make some improvements, but the thing that will really take a bit of time is waiting for Jones to implement his tactics on a team low on confidence who have been set up to play dreadful, negative football all season long.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 12, 2019 17:06:42 GMT
I hope so. Jones will gave seen what we have seen for at least two and a half seasons. Rowett signings were no improvement despite wholesale changes.Jones has a reputation for spotting good players and improving players now is the time for him to be allowed to show it.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 12, 2019 17:07:32 GMT
With Jones? Yes.
With those wankers we call our playing staff? No.
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Post by robrigo on Jan 12, 2019 17:07:42 GMT
We have to have patience now. It’s imperative.
Surely any sane fan can see that the job ahead is massive. It’s simply not going to be sorted overnight.
If we don’t find the patience then we can look forward to Stoke City plying our trade in the footballing wilderness.
Our immediate and long term aims have to be,
1. Attaining enough points to actually stay up
2. To begin to rebuild and remodel the entire ethos of our club.
3. To remove as many of these underperforming players as quickly as possible with minimum disruption
3. To support Jones as he sculpts his squad
If we give him time we’ll will be ok. If we don’t we are fucked.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 12, 2019 17:08:03 GMT
Sadly I don’t think I’ve got another 25 year ‘turn around’ in me 😕 !
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 12, 2019 17:08:36 GMT
A big NO
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 12, 2019 17:09:46 GMT
He’ll come good I think. Equally though there could be a witch hunt on Jones before the end of the season. That’s footy these days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 17:10:35 GMT
Have they bollocks. On a personal note, I can cope with a rebuild and losses. All I ask for is players walk off that pitch leaving everything out there. If we lose because we aren’t good enough that’s fine. But if we lose and stroll around like the world owes them a favour then I can’t cope with that
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jan 12, 2019 17:10:45 GMT
Probably not, but I also don't think it's necessarily a long road ahead either.
We aren't going back up this year, I think we've all accepted that at this point. This season now should be trying to figure it out with Jones in charge, using the next 3 windows to get the type of players that he needs in and building a foundation that doesn't include old, shit has-beens who aren't good enough anymore.
We have a squad that does have some good, quality, top end championship players in it. We're also riddled with absolute dross. It'll be tough but we absolutely need to stick with Jones and back him and his style of play because tearing it down every 6 months isn't going to work.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 12, 2019 17:12:56 GMT
I think he deserves patience because he’s been left such a mess by the previous 2 managers.
We won’t get into the playoffs so the priority now is to get us used to playing in the system he’s chosen and get the side he wants out there and not the 2 idiots on the transfer team.
I have no doubt he knows what he’s doing and he needs to be allowed to get on with it.
He’s certainly clever enough to see where the problems lie and needs backing.
I think the majority didn’t expect a miracle today because they knew what would happen if our defence were left exposed and we weren’t surprised.
He needs 2-3 windows to get his team in I’d imagine so should have a minimum of a season and a half for me.
Priorities this window
Sell Allen, McClean and Butland to raise some cash.
Release Fletcher and Adam
Send back Martina and Williams
Bring in
2 x CBs with pace
1 x LB
1 x CM fast and physical to play at the bottom of the diamond.
2 x Pacey forwards who can play along the line.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 12, 2019 17:13:39 GMT
Jones has a reputation for spotting good players and improving players now is the time for him to be allowed to show it. I'm banking on this and can't see it happening over night with this team. |
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Post by peterscoat on Jan 12, 2019 17:14:02 GMT
Yes and we will have to end of
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 12, 2019 17:14:31 GMT
Hopefully we have. Up until these last few years we have had it pretty good. May take longer than we hoped to get back but we need to get behind jones. But one thing is for absolute certain and has been for a while now, we cannot go forward as long as Ryan Shawcross is the captain of this club. He has been a wonderful servant, but now he is a serial loser he has no hunger fight or desire left and needs removing immediately.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 12, 2019 17:14:38 GMT
I think they will, in as much as they will be paitent with Jones.
It's abundantly clear that he has a collection of sub standard players to work with.
If we continue to slide, I'm not so sure that Scholes and Cartwright will be afforded the same amount of time though.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 12, 2019 17:18:16 GMT
Well if not expecting promotion or even playoffs now = patience then I am happy just to survive and evolve a bit over the course of what's left of the season - NJ will have my full and unfettered support.
I reserve my right to be pissed off though when we lose!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 17:18:27 GMT
I can't really speak for the 'fan base' as a whole tbh. I have the patience, as long as I can see longer-term improvements and a clear plan for what we're trying to achieve. I can happily separate out what we're striving for on the whole with the appointment of Jones and his philosophy etc. with the individual match-day performance. I can be pissed off about today's match but still be enthused for the future.
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Post by pavel on Jan 12, 2019 17:20:57 GMT
I hope so and I hope they will give Jones the time to rebuild, he will be under no allusions now having managed them in a competitive (sic) match. Few players came out with much credit today even if they were unused to a new system, we were totally outplayed. We lack pace in critical areas, most critically defence and a severe lack of composure. We are what we are at the moment, a bunch of individuals, many of which are too similar and not good enough, devoid of confidence and fight.
The measure of Jones now is what he can do about it LONG term as well as shoring up the short term. Not one player excelled in their position today and most made a pigs ear of it. I feel it’s going to get worse before we improve.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 12, 2019 17:22:23 GMT
It’s all about context isn’t it?
There would have been more patience with Rowett if he hadn’t spent the biggest budget in the league on eye-bleeding football that didn’t even produce results.
There will be patience with Jones given he’s been appointed mid-season with the team in the doldrums and given the expectation he’s going to introduce a more enterprising style which will take time to implement.
If there are promising signs in the performances there will be patience. If there isn’t, there won’t. It’s that simple.
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Post by harrysburrow on Jan 12, 2019 17:22:36 GMT
Need to get behind the new bloke now.
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 12, 2019 17:23:28 GMT
Today’s performance and result will be of far more value to the manager (and board in the transfer window) than a win would have been. A win today might have given people the impression that the problem was simply the manager when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
BM
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 12, 2019 17:23:52 GMT
I genuinely don’t get how people still think this squad is “full of good players” it’s full of people who haven’t performed for years and took us down. Shawcross and Allen were badly exposed today.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jan 12, 2019 17:24:50 GMT
I don't know if it will necessarily take 'numerous transfer windows'. The ability of our squad isn't the reason we're 14th. The misuse of them, and the mental tactics of Rowett are the reason we're 14th. That's not to say that we don't need to make some improvements, but the thing that will really take a bit of time is waiting for Jones to implement his tactics on a team low on confidence who have been set up to play dreadful, negative football all season long. Disagree. The players just aren't good enough. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 12, 2019 17:25:03 GMT
Today’s performance and result will be of far more value to the manager (and board in the transfer window) than a win would have been. A win today might have given people the impression that the problem was simply the manager when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. BM A good point, he doesn’t strike me as a “let’s see if it improves” type, he was appointed mid season at Luton and made his big changes in that first transfer window of the new season, and based on that he’ll surely have 5/6 personnel changes in mind. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 12, 2019 17:26:18 GMT
I don't know if it will necessarily take 'numerous transfer windows'. The ability of our squad isn't the reason we're 14th. The misuse of them, and the mental tactics of Rowett are the reason we're 14th. That's not to say that we don't need to make some improvements, but the thing that will really take a bit of time is waiting for Jones to implement his tactics on a team low on confidence who have been set up to play dreadful, negative football all season long. Disagree. The players just aren't good enough. Too many relying on their names and previous glories, or how people perceive them. Allen being a case in point, he is a hard worker but part of that makes him unable to operate in tight systems, as observed painfully today. |
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