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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 10, 2019 18:04:21 GMT
Bojan will start with a clean slate like all the rest , let’s hope he shows NJ what he can do
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Post by thehoof on Jan 10, 2019 18:33:38 GMT
You could ask why 8 managers have seen fit to sell or not renew their interest in Tom Ince after various loan spells. If you don’t get a regular run of games ( and I think he’s had 6 games where he has come on as sub after 80 minutes) it is hard to impress. Let’s face it , Hughes removed him from the team a couple of games after the away leg at Liverpool (where he set up Arnie’s goal) and we have been on a downward spiral ever since. Lambert had to stem the flow of goals and obviously favoured Shaq as the creative player, while Rowett clearly wants workers not flair. Every team in the top 6 has at least 1 flair player, several have 2 or more. We have Ince who has the same issues as Bojan ( doesn’t tackle or defend and is sometimes easily knocked off the ball) but they are the only 2 who have anything “different “ in their respective lockers.
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Post by stokey127 on Jan 10, 2019 19:12:38 GMT
I use to love bojan, he’s a player who plays the way we all love to see. But he’s done nothing but sit on a bench for 3years. Yes he’s come on as sub now and then but done nothing for me ( apart from Rotherham). That injury has certainly taken its toll, I wish we’d all get over him😢 Went Wrong for Bojan after a terrific home game aganst Arsenal. We all want him to play like that again but I don't think it will ever happen.
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Post by TheProletarian on Jan 10, 2019 19:16:27 GMT
I use to love bojan, he’s a player who plays the way we all love to see. But he’s done nothing but sit on a bench for 3years. Yes he’s come on as sub now and then but done nothing for me ( apart from Rotherham). That injury has certainly taken its toll, I wish we’d all get over him😢 Its not an obsession with the player, it’s an obsession with the injustice - and the feeling that he could be the creative spark we need and he’s been just being thrown away.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 10, 2019 20:03:50 GMT
Not even gonna bother debunking the injury, it’s be done by virtually every other poster about 300 times in the last 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 20:07:47 GMT
Not even gonna bother debunking the injury, it’s be done by virtually every other poster about 300 times in the last 2 years. We need to get it in bold at the top of the message board and be done with two things : 1. Stats show that Bojan has NOT been worse since the injury 2. We do NOT have a sell on clause for Arnie
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 10, 2019 20:41:10 GMT
Don’t know, beats me.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jan 10, 2019 20:48:57 GMT
He certainly deserves a clean slate under the new manager, I'm not convinced he's the answer personally but here's hoping.
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Post by marwood on Jan 10, 2019 20:54:15 GMT
I use to love bojan, he’s a player who plays the way we all love to see. But he’s done nothing but sit on a bench for 3years. Yes he’s come on as sub now and then but done nothing for me ( apart from Rotherham). That injury has certainly taken its toll, I wish we’d all get over him😢 Vale wind up merchant (see other posts), surprised so many are biting Probably Tom Pope -now there's someone obsessed with Stoke
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Post by jeycov on Jan 10, 2019 21:03:38 GMT
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Post by StokieMatt on Jan 10, 2019 23:12:19 GMT
We are starting to sound like all them Egyptians on about Ramadan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 6:02:52 GMT
I use to love bojan, he’s a player who plays the way we all love to see. But he’s done nothing but sit on a bench for 3years. Yes he’s come on as sub now and then but done nothing for me ( apart from Rotherham). That injury has certainly taken its toll, I wish we’d all get over him😢 Went Wrong for Bojan after a terrific home game aganst Arsenal. We all want him to play like that again but I don't think it will ever happen.
You don't have to want him to play like that, because it did happen, several times in fact. The Arsenal game you refer to was in 2014-2015, where he later got injured. The wins vs Citeh, Manure, and Everton were in the 2015-16 season, after he recovered from his injury. Not every game he played was paradise, but for sure some were. But then Hughes went and bought a structurally similar player in Imbula and decided to play him instead of Bojan. That has to go down as one of the single worst decisions any manager has ever made. It didn't work for Imbula, it didn't work for Bojan, and it certainly didn't work for Stoke. To make matters worse he then bought Allen in 2016-17 and had to play him in the team, which forced Bojan to go on loan. Not because he wanted to leave Stoke, but in order to play at all. But he was unlucky in joining clubs that were even worse than Stoke (if you can believe that!). And then we appointed Rowett who hates skillful players... Now we've appointed a manager who thrives on having football intelligent players in his team. Rowett didn't leave him many to begin with, but he failed in forcing Bojan out. We should be grateful and give him a chance to prove himself.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 11, 2019 8:12:15 GMT
Went Wrong for Bojan after a terrific home game aganst Arsenal. We all want him to play like that again but I don't think it will ever happen.
You don't have to want him to play like that, because it did happen, several times in fact. The Arsenal game you refer to was in 2014-2015, where he later got injured. The wins vs Citeh, Manure, and Everton were in the 2015-16 season, after he recovered from his injury. Not every game he played was paradise, but for sure some were. But then Hughes went and bought a structurally similar player in Imbula and decided to play him instead of Bojan. That has to go down as one of the single worst decisions any manager has ever made. It didn't work for Imbula, it didn't work for Bojan, and it certainly didn't work for Stoke. To make matters worse he then bought Allen in 2016-17 and had to play him in the team, which forced Bojan to go on loan. Not because he wanted to leave Stoke, but in order to play at all. But he was unlucky in joining clubs that were even worse than Stoke (if you can believe that!). And then we appointed Rowett who hates skillful players... Now we've appointed a manager who thrives on having football intelligent players in his team. Rowett didn't leave him many to begin with, but he failed in forcing Bojan out. We should be grateful and give him a chance to prove himself. I'm struggling with the idea that Bojan and Imbula are structurally similar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 8:22:19 GMT
You don't have to want him to play like that, because it did happen, several times in fact. The Arsenal game you refer to was in 2014-2015, where he later got injured. The wins vs Citeh, Manure, and Everton were in the 2015-16 season, after he recovered from his injury. Not every game he played was paradise, but for sure some were. But then Hughes went and bought a structurally similar player in Imbula and decided to play him instead of Bojan. That has to go down as one of the single worst decisions any manager has ever made. It didn't work for Imbula, it didn't work for Bojan, and it certainly didn't work for Stoke. To make matters worse he then bought Allen in 2016-17 and had to play him in the team, which forced Bojan to go on loan. Not because he wanted to leave Stoke, but in order to play at all. But he was unlucky in joining clubs that were even worse than Stoke (if you can believe that!). And then we appointed Rowett who hates skillful players... Now we've appointed a manager who thrives on having football intelligent players in his team. Rowett didn't leave him many to begin with, but he failed in forcing Bojan out. We should be grateful and give him a chance to prove himself. I'm struggling with the idea that Bojan and Imbula are structurally similar. Then call it tactically similar. Or whatever you call it, Hughes replaced Bojan with Imbula. That's a concept that I'm still struggling to understand to this day. And I'm even an Imbula fan...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 8:42:22 GMT
So the question simply has to be about his attitude? I’m not saying he has one by the way but why would a player with so much talent not be playing? 3 stoke managers, endless loans abroad and he has never held a position down? So what is the problem? I’d really love to know For the record there has been no "endless loans" - just 2 one year loans. Actually the first loan was just six months.
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Post by y2j on Jan 11, 2019 8:51:18 GMT
Obsession is a strong word! I think it's more we lack creativity & the talent to give the team opps to score & he could be the player to do that!
But.... He's not done much for 3yrs and a few Managers have seen that, however he's a player that hasn't been given game time in his best position, the no 10 role or AMC. He's needs a run of 6, 7 games in that role so we can assess if he has it still, not forced wide or up front!
Personally, I'm writing this season off. Let's just give Jones the time to look at his options & build a team for next season & therefore give players like Bojan a real go!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 9:07:10 GMT
I THOUGHT IT WAS ROCHDALE AT HOME IN THE CUP - AND NOBODY TACKLED HIM - CRUCIATE JUST SNAPPED - MAYBE PHYSICALLY INADEQUATE FOR THE RIGORS OF TOP CLASS PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL - ACCEPT IT - HE IS UNLIKELY TO REACH ANYWHERE NEAR THOSE HEIGHTS AGAIN - YOU ARE LITERALLY FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE Funny thing. You must be the only person on the planet that would use Rochdale and top class professional football in the same sentence.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 11, 2019 9:17:54 GMT
This will be the last chance saloon for Bojan (I accept it could be argued he wasn’t given too many chances before), but if he fails to impress Jones in however much time he is allowed, then you have to say that is him done. Jones will be fresh enough and untarnished for Stoke fans to support his decision if he does do away with Bojan whereas if Rowett had done it he would be crucified.
Either way we are now at a defining position; Bojan gets his fair go and is the missing link we’ve been missing and happy days for all, or he really is spent and he goes on his way with our best wishes and fond memories. An end one way or another awaits.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 11, 2019 9:21:51 GMT
The softness of his shorn, Catalan scrotum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 9:34:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 9:54:52 GMT
This will be the last chance saloon for Bojan (I accept it could be argued he wasn’t given too many chances before), but if he fails to impress Jones in however much time he is allowed, then you have to say that is him done. Jones will be fresh enough and untarnished for Stoke fans to support his decision if he does do away with Bojan whereas if Rowett had done it he would be crucified. Either way we are now at a defining position; Bojan gets his fair go and is the missing link we’ve been missing and happy days for all, or he really is spent and he goes on his way with our best wishes and fond memories. An end one way or another awaits. Let's just see how long Jones stays in the job. Barcelona might not come calling tomorrow, but another club might. If we hire, say Jordi Cruyff, for our next manager, then I cannot imagine that he wouldn't name Bojan as his captain and key performer. Because, don't forget that Bojan's contract with us lasts another 2½ years. So it need not be "last chance saloon", although that is a supersmart way of setting him up for failure. What I just can't fathom is why so many people are so eager for Bojan to fail? He hasn't even played a single game, and yet it is already either you do or you die!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 11, 2019 9:56:34 GMT
Give him a run of say 4/6 games,see how he does,what do we have to lose? If he does The business,he will be like a new signing,if he fails,we will finally know his time is up at Stoke.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 11, 2019 9:58:35 GMT
If people are using the word attitude in the perjorative sense then I think they are wrong. But Bojan has certainly had confidence issues since he was injured at Rochdale. I don't think he has been helped much in overcoming those confidence issues by successive managers. As others have pointed out he has had spells since his injury when he has played well and scored but that has rarely led to a run of games sufficient to get him back to full match fitness - mentally or physically.
From what I have seen and heard from Jones, you would expect (or certainly hope) that if anyone can nurse him back to something approaching his best it would be him. You'd also hope that a Spanish coach would also be a big plus in attempts to revive what once looked like being a stellar career.
If Jones and his team put the effort in with Bojan there has to be a decent chance that it will pay off. Even if he never gets back to the player he looked like becoming, if he can get back to 80% or 90% of that level, then he could well be the creative spark to get him and us back in the the Premier League. Fingers crossed!
Edit, if I were Bojan I would be feeling happier about my future prospects than I have done for years.
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jan 11, 2019 13:21:25 GMT
I'm sick of fans saying he played his best stuff after his injury. He was honestly world class for a good 6/7 games before rochdale and I remember him taking the piss against arsenal.
But after his injury although he had been effective in parts hes clearly never been the same player.
Hes lost that agileness in his dribbling and it pains me to say it but its clearly done him in as he isnt half as quick as what he was nor has the ability to beat a man.
I'd love a resurgence to but managers havent picked him because hes not good enough, they cant all be fucking wrong
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 11, 2019 13:28:33 GMT
The only thing we can do for him now is wait and see.
The positives are that Jones plays a system that suits Bojan to a tee. Add to that, Jones can speak Spanish (though Boj's English is fine now anyway) and we have Joaquin Gomez now in who is a fellow Spaniard, which'll be good for him as well. He needs the confidence back. Being played as he should under Jones is going to be an immense help.
But let's wait and see first.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 11, 2019 13:30:51 GMT
I'm sick of fans saying he played his best stuff after his injury. He was honestly world class for a good 6/7 games before rochdale and I remember him taking the piss against arsenal. But after his injury although he had been effective in parts hes clearly never been the same player. Hes lost that agileness in his dribbling and it pains me to say it but its clearly done him in as he isnt half as quick as what he was nor has the ability to beat a man. I'd love a resurgence to but managers havent picked him because hes not good enough, they cant all be fucking wrong Look, a fair few people would agree and a fair few more may not totally agree but understand your thinking but no fucker will ever agree that Fletcher gets on the bench before him
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 11, 2019 13:34:19 GMT
Sell Allen & get him at the front of the diamond.
He is everything we have missed in the last two seasons, especially in the last 5 months watching that turgid shit.
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jan 11, 2019 13:37:16 GMT
I'm sick of fans saying he played his best stuff after his injury. He was honestly world class for a good 6/7 games before rochdale and I remember him taking the piss against arsenal. But after his injury although he had been effective in parts hes clearly never been the same player. Hes lost that agileness in his dribbling and it pains me to say it but its clearly done him in as he isnt half as quick as what he was nor has the ability to beat a man. I'd love a resurgence to but managers havent picked him because hes not good enough, they cant all be fucking wrong Look, a fair few people would agree and a fair few more may not totally agree but understand your thinking but no fucker will ever agree that Fletcher gets on the bench before him It's a hard one sometimes, in theory sure its draft but if the bench has already got a couple of strikers/attacking players on it it's not really that shocking. I'm not a big fan of fletcher at all and understand you completely but bojan is a difficult one. like everyone else i want him to succeed because from the outside it appears that hes never had an attitude problem it's just a question of confidence or effectiveness now after injury. Whereas someone like imbula had all the talent in the world but couldn't be arsed
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 11, 2019 13:45:54 GMT
Look, a fair few people would agree and a fair few more may not totally agree but understand your thinking but no fucker will ever agree that Fletcher gets on the bench before him It's a hard one sometimes, in theory sure its draft but if the bench has already got a couple of strikers/attacking players on it it's not really that shocking. I'm not a big fan of fletcher at all and understand you completely but bojan is a difficult one. like everyone else i want him to succeed because from the outside it appears that hes never had an attitude problem it's just a question of confidence or effectiveness now after injury. Whereas someone like imbula had all the talent in the world but couldn't be arsed And his confidence is never going to improve if he keeps being dropped after putting in decent performances like earlier this season. No they weren't outstanding or near the old Bojan we once had but they weren't droppable performances by any means
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jan 11, 2019 13:51:46 GMT
The last time Bojan started in 3 consecutive games for us we were 7th in the Premier League. Since then 3 managers have failed miserably at getting us to score goals, whilst refusing to ever give him a fair run of games. He's far too good for this league and we're criminally under using him, hopefully Jones at the very least gives him a chance. I'm sure he will. So the question simply has to be about his attitude? I’m not saying he has one by the way but why would a player with so much talent not be playing? 3 stoke managers, endless loans abroad and he has never held a position down? So what is the problem? I’d really love to know 3 managers who failed terribly. If we'd had success I'd understand but we've clearly regressed. And endless loan spells? 2? He did fairly well at Mainz and Alaves stopped playing him for financial reasons by all accounts.
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