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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 6, 2019 0:17:11 GMT
Not seen much of a mention with all the stuff about Rowett.
Only a cameo but liked what I saw of him and didn't realise how rapid he was. If there's one thing defenders don't like it's pace and boy does he look quick. Surely he has to be worth giving a go up front.
He should certainly be on the bench and ahead of Crouchy in the pecking order.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 6, 2019 0:21:41 GMT
He did something that berahino and afobe never looked like doing.
Definitely looks a prospect, worth a proper run in the team I reckon
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Post by bigcashprizes on Jan 6, 2019 0:27:03 GMT
Brilliant from Tyrese. Ended up stood by his old man. He was loving it.
Was lamenting the fact that they seemed to have direct players, then young Tyrese came on and steamed into them.
No reason why him and Edwards shouldn’t get a prolonged run in the team this season
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Post by chrispk on Jan 6, 2019 0:32:33 GMT
Expect 20 mins of games regular
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Post by Jimm on Jan 6, 2019 0:34:54 GMT
Why play him on the wing
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 6, 2019 0:35:26 GMT
He did something that berahino and afobe never looked like doing. Definitely looks a prospect, worth a proper run in the team I reckon Hopefully the new manager likes him.
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Post by riproaringagain on Jan 6, 2019 1:13:48 GMT
He did something that berahino and afobe never looked like doing. Definitely looks a prospect, worth a proper run in the team I reckon Hopefully the new manager likes him. [br There’s no new manager
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 6, 2019 1:21:12 GMT
Campbell and Edwards sound like they need to be on the pitch ahead of others, who seem to get picked for every game even if they can’t actually do much with a football ...both of them press forward with the ball, none of this “to me, to you back to Butland” chuckle brothers style of play. They will make mistakes, they’re still young, but at least they’ve got the “balls” to try ! A lot of the squad (not all) seem happy to stay with their markers, fearful I think that they might have to take a shot at goal, which they might miss. Come on lads ...take a chance ! You might surprise yourself like Pieters and actually score a goal ..
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 6, 2019 1:21:39 GMT
We crying out for pace on the wing, he has it and played well there so why not keep him there and see what happens?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 6:26:21 GMT
Up front on his own he would be hung out to dry, and he did very well on the wing yesterday. If Rowett is persisting with 4-3-3 he could do worse than playing 3 strikers up top in Campbell - Berahino - Afobe, not that he would be that attacking, but there is goals in that team.
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Jan 6, 2019 7:45:27 GMT
Great to see Crouchy stand with him at the end and give him credit for the goal!
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 6, 2019 7:45:47 GMT
From what Ive seen and admittedly its not a great deal he needs to work harder. Someone should show him a video of Ian Rush who was fantastic at defending from the front.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 7:47:05 GMT
He's a prospect, like Tom Edwards. He needs games under his belt, like Tom Edwards.
He'll make mistakes, like Tom Edwards.
He needs SUPPORT, like Tom Edwards.
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 6, 2019 7:48:54 GMT
He's a prospect, like Tom Edwards. He needs games under his belt, like Tom Edwards. He'll make mistakes, like Tom Edwards. He needs SUPPORT, like Tom Edwards. Must be soul destroying to be dropped for Martina. The worst right back since Jason Kavanagh
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 6, 2019 8:44:53 GMT
I’m not so sure on Edwards...doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes by committing to challenges he can’t win. The penalty was another example yesterday. I think he can make it,but his mistakes are too frequent and whilst he will learn, I think he’d be better ironing out these mistakes on loan elsewhere and coming back an improved player. We can better assess his ability then and see if he has a long term future at the club.It’s different with Campbell as any mistakes he makes are more likely to result in missing a goal rather than conceding, but he does need game time.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 6, 2019 9:15:49 GMT
I’m not so sure on Edwards...doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes by committing to challenges he can’t win. The penalty was another example yesterday. I think he can make it,but his mistakes are too frequent and whilst he will learn, I think he’d be better ironing out these mistakes on loan elsewhere and coming back an improved player. We can better assess his ability then and see if he has a long term future at the club.It’s different with Campbell as any mistakes he makes are more likely to result in missing a goal rather than conceding, but he does need game time. A forward missing a chance, a midfielder making a careless pass its less likely to result in conceding a goal Much tougher for a defender, he needs to play alongside an experienced player to develop his skills and confidence Maclean trying to dribble the ball out of the penalty area yesterday, did Edwards no favours
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Post by biglad180 on Jan 6, 2019 9:49:05 GMT
I thought that he looked sharp when he was bought on at forest in the cup also I thought bojan had a good game aswell there.dont know why these players are overlooked all the time.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 6, 2019 9:53:11 GMT
I’m not so sure on Edwards... doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes by committing to challenges he can’t win. The penalty was another example yesterday. I think he can make it,but his mistakes are too frequent and whilst he will learn, I think he’d be better ironing out these mistakes on loan elsewhere and coming back an improved player. We can better assess his ability then and see if he has a long term future at the club.It’s different with Campbell as any mistakes he makes are more likely to result in missing a goal rather than conceding, but he does need game time. That's because he keeps being dropped. He needs an extended run to develop. Any sportsman needs to be continually stretched at the next level to improve his gave. If he does it for a short while and then goes back to a lower level or worse still sits on the sidelines inactive, he will simply regress. As you quite rightly say, it is harder for defenders because their errors show up badly. Waddington would not play young defenders regularly like Denis Smith till into their 20s. Pejic was exceptional and international level. He will make mistakes defending at his age, but so is Martina and was Bauer. He needs to be persisted with. Football is a team game and he needs to develop with our team not somewhere else. Many of the great teams of the past, played and developed together as youngsters.
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Post by lordb on Jan 6, 2019 10:18:03 GMT
He's a prospect, like Tom Edwards. He needs games under his belt, like Tom Edwards. He'll make mistakes, like Tom Edwards. He needs SUPPORT, like Tom Edwards. Must be soul destroying to be dropped for Martina. The worst right back since Jason Kavanagh Don't forget, although I'm sure you'd like to, Buxton.
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Post by lordb on Jan 6, 2019 10:18:48 GMT
I’m not so sure on Edwards...doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes by committing to challenges he can’t win. The penalty was another example yesterday. I think he can make it,but his mistakes are too frequent and whilst he will learn, I think he’d be better ironing out these mistakes on loan elsewhere and coming back an improved player. We can better assess his ability then and see if he has a long term future at the club.It’s different with Campbell as any mistakes he makes are more likely to result in missing a goal rather than conceding, but he does need game time. A forward missing a chance, a midfielder making a careless pass its less likely to result in conceding a goal Much tougher for a defender, he needs to play alongside an experienced player to develop his skills and confidence Maclean trying to dribble the ball out of the penalty area yesterday, did Edwards no favours That was Clucas,but yes it didn't
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 6, 2019 10:25:09 GMT
I’m not so sure on Edwards... doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes by committing to challenges he can’t win. The penalty was another example yesterday. I think he can make it,but his mistakes are too frequent and whilst he will learn, I think he’d be better ironing out these mistakes on loan elsewhere and coming back an improved player. We can better assess his ability then and see if he has a long term future at the club.It’s different with Campbell as any mistakes he makes are more likely to result in missing a goal rather than conceding, but he does need game time. That's because he keeps being dropped. He needs an extended run to develop. Any sportsman needs to be continually stretched at the next level to improve his gave. If he does it for a short while and then goes back to a lower level or worse still sits on the sidelines inactive, he will simply regress. As you quite rightly say, it is harder for defenders because their errors show up badly. Waddington would not play young defenders regularly like Denis Smith till into their 20s. Pejic was exceptional and international level. He will make mistakes defending at his age, but so is Martina and was Bauer. He needs to be persisted with. Football is a team game and he needs to develop with our team not somewhere else. Many of the great teams of the past, played and developed together as youngsters. I think it’s a luxury we can’t afford at the moment and playing in a shaky defence wont help is confidence. Let him make his mistakes elsewhere. As for great teams developed as youngsters...John Terry, David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Harry Kane, Jermaine Defoe and even Jack Butland all went out on loan before finding consistency. I just don’t think Tom Edwards is quite there yet, but hope he will be with the right development. As much as I want him to succeed, I think there is somewhat of a blinkered view because he’s local.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 10:58:11 GMT
That's because he keeps being dropped. He needs an extended run to develop. Any sportsman needs to be continually stretched at the next level to improve his gave. If he does it for a short while and then goes back to a lower level or worse still sits on the sidelines inactive, he will simply regress. As you quite rightly say, it is harder for defenders because their errors show up badly. Waddington would not play young defenders regularly like Denis Smith till into their 20s. Pejic was exceptional and international level. He will make mistakes defending at his age, but so is Martina and was Bauer. He needs to be persisted with. Football is a team game and he needs to develop with our team not somewhere else. Many of the great teams of the past, played and developed together as youngsters. I think it’s a luxury we can’t afford at the moment and playing in a shaky defence wont help is confidence. Let him make his mistakes elsewhere. As for great teams developed as youngsters...John Terry, David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Harry Kane, Jermaine Defoe and even Jack Butland all went out on loan before finding consistency. I just don’t think Tom Edwards is quite there yet, but hope he will be with the right development. As much as I want him to succeed, I think there is somewhat of a blinkered view because he’s local. I don't think there are* any blinkered views on Edwards. Most people are now seeing the mistakes he is making. The difference is now between those that tolerate them, accept he is a young lad and needs to learn and those that don't. Some of the comments on the match thread highlight that. Take yesterday. A lot of people slated his part in the penalty yet not one picked up on the two world class crosses he put on a plate for McClean, first time picking him out against four defenders, second time picking him out free at the back post. Both times the experienced player messing it up, both times escaped criticism. The overriding feeling I'm picking up is one of "We might as well play him at 19 and let him grow and learn instead of playing a 29 year old loanee who is making as many mistakes as him, albeit different mistakes" Sending young players out on loan is fraught with as much danger as playing them yourself. Sure, they don't knacker your side up if they make mistakes but if they go to the wrong club, with the wrong type of coach you could end up knackering their career. Which risk do you take?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 6, 2019 11:01:47 GMT
Expect him to get a further 20 minute cameo in the replay before being sent out on loan to Bristol Rovers never to be seen or heard from again.
Still we’ve got Benik “He’ll get you promoted on his own” Afobe to rely on.
I can’t be arsed.
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Post by lordb on Jan 6, 2019 11:01:48 GMT
Re Edwards I thought he was excellent going forward yesterday,second half he repeatedly ran at defenders beat them and got good crosses in despite Ince not supporting him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 11:06:37 GMT
At least Edwards gets stuck in,Martina is a fanny Campbell needs to be on the bench and come on with 30 minutes to go to stretch tired defences
Anyway it's all pointless,Rowett has the ability to ruin any player it seems so until he goes I don't expect any of our players to perform to the best of their abilities
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 7, 2019 13:24:02 GMT
Great to see Crouchy stand with him at the end and give him credit for the goal! Crouchy knows he can score goals with the right delivery into the box ....we’re usually lacking the delivery ...It must be more frustrating for the likes of Crouchy when the crosses either are non existent or don’t get past the first defender, or even worse we tip tap around the box and then pass back to Butland aaaargh! Well done Tyrese a ray of hope !! And Crouchy a proper old school player..understands to give the lad not only encouragement but credit. ...Now that’s called being a “team” Crouchy is a legend ..I’m proud to have him in our team.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 7, 2019 13:30:12 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jan 7, 2019 13:38:12 GMT
Needs a goal doesn't he to really get off and running.
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Post by Northy on Jan 7, 2019 14:50:08 GMT
Needs a goal doesn't he to really get off and running. How is he at penalties, cant be any worse than the recent lot who've taken one.
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Post by acadamystokie on Jan 7, 2019 15:21:45 GMT
Looks like Campbell has bulked up a lot since last season. Looked strong upper body. Last year I remember the likes of Wes Morgan just easing him off the ball. Looking forward to seeing more of him
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