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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 4, 2019 23:53:39 GMT
Have we now fully accepted Rowett is gone? From the way he's been talking I think even Rowett thinks he's a goner.
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Post by Jimm on Jan 5, 2019 0:01:18 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 5, 2019 0:11:55 GMT
Well there would be little chance of promotion and he would be removed at the end of the season, but in the meantime the football might be a whole lot more entertaining and we might even score 3 goals in a league match!
Playing attacking football in the Championship just might be a lot more enjoyable than holding on like grim death trying to avoid being thrashed in the Premier league.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 0:13:47 GMT
Fit the system to the players...Gary take note!
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 5, 2019 0:14:34 GMT
I still think Moyes is our no.1 target. I think CC is just speculation. or a red herring initiated by the club to try and push Moyes into a decision.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 5, 2019 0:16:34 GMT
The last few pages details the real issue. Who could actually pull our club through the mud and out the other side? As much as some will dislike to hear this, the only person who's been able to do it recently is Mr Pulis. But you know what, I don't think he would come back here even if we wanted him to. I don't think Alladyce, Moyes or Carvahal can do it, and quite frankly I don't know who can. Other things within the club have to change first. It will be interesting to see what happens if we don't win today (today my time, anyway....) He’s not doing such an impressive job of pulling Middlesborough “through the mud”, in fact they seem recently to be sinking inexorably into quicksand quagmire!!!
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 5, 2019 0:16:41 GMT
Have we now fully accepted Rowett is gone? From the way he's been talking I think even Rowett thinks he's a goner. He's lying at the bottom of the lavy, waiting to be flushed.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 5, 2019 0:26:53 GMT
Think you will find Marrer is a Cumbrian name for a mate/pal.[/quote No mate- not my name, I'm asking about that CBUK etc name of the other poster It's Marra not marrer. And it originates from the Northumbrian coalfaces.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 5, 2019 0:30:08 GMT
Fit the system to the players...Gary take note! Some managers are lucky to go and buy whoever they want, like Ferguson and most of the big 6 clubs today, Spurs being the exception. But most have to take a more pragmatic approach. Rowett has a system he believes, but it is useless trying to play a cautious defensive approach if you have got crap defenders. You are bound not to score very many and still end up conceding goals. A more sensible approach might be to choose a system that suits the squad best and then tweak the players to find the best team. Ramsay and Clough were never afraid to pick very average players that fitted their set up best, and not afraid to leave out the most talented players in the interests of playing the strongest team. They created great team synergy with some very average players in the squad and a few star players.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 5, 2019 0:31:47 GMT
Looking at wiki he never lasts more than a season or so anywhere before he is hauled in to a room and summarily dismissed. We'd be his 18th job in 20 seasons. 1998–1999 Espinho 1999–2000 Freamunde 2000 Vizela 2000–2001 Aves 2001–2002 Leixões 2003–2004 Vitória Setúbal 2004–2005 Belenenses 2006 Braga 2006 Beira-Mar 2007–2008 Vitória Setúbal 2008 Asteras Tripoli 2009 Marítimo 2009–2010 Sporting CP 2011–2012 Beşiktaş 2012 İstanbul BB 2015–2017 Sheffield Wednesday 2017–2018 Swansea City Jesus, the amount beds he has slept in is possibly only exceeded by an ex gf of mine
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Post by boothenender on Jan 5, 2019 0:36:14 GMT
Carlos had a dream at Sheffield Wednesday... That dream turned in to a nightmare. Not wanted at Stoke. He is not a decent Manager. Moyes gets my vote over Carlos. We really are grasping at straws if we take either of those two as a Manager.
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Post by Gods on Jan 5, 2019 0:39:26 GMT
Looking at wiki he never lasts more than a season or so anywhere before he is hauled in to a room and summarily dismissed. We'd be his 18th job in 20 seasons. 1998–1999 Espinho 1999–2000 Freamunde 2000 Vizela 2000–2001 Aves 2001–2002 Leixões 2003–2004 Vitória Setúbal 2004–2005 Belenenses 2006 Braga 2006 Beira-Mar 2007–2008 Vitória Setúbal 2008 Asteras Tripoli 2009 Marítimo 2009–2010 Sporting CP 2011–2012 Beşiktaş 2012 İstanbul BB 2015–2017 Sheffield Wednesday 2017–2018 Swansea City Jesus, the amount beds he has slept in is possibly only exceeded by an ex gf of mine
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 0:39:35 GMT
Fit the system to the players...Gary take note! Some managers are lucky to go and buy whoever they want, like Ferguson and most of the big 6 clubs today, Spurs being the exception. But most have to take a more pragmatic approach. Rowett has a system he believes, but it is useless trying to play a cautious defensive approach if you have got crap defenders. You are bound not to score very many and still end up conceding goals. A more sensible approach might be to choose a system that suits the squad best and then tweak the players to find the best team. Ramsay and Clough were never afraid to pick very average players that fitted their set up best, and not afraid to leave out the most talented players in the interests of playing the strongest team. They created great team synergy with some very average players in the squad and a few star players. I think Rowett’s inability to adapt his system to fit what he has and instead of shoehorning them into a system they are not suited to has been his problem...whether that’s sheer pigheadedness or inexperience who knows 🤷♀️
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 5, 2019 0:42:05 GMT
The last few pages details the real issue. Who could actually pull our club through the mud and out the other side? As much as some will dislike to hear this, the only person who's been able to do it recently is Mr Pulis. But you know what, I don't think he would come back here even if we wanted him to. I don't think Alladyce, Moyes or Carvahal can do it, and quite frankly I don't know who can. Other things within the club have to change first. It will be interesting to see what happens if we don't win today (today my time, anyway....) He’s not doing such an impressive job of pulling Middlesborough “through the mud”, in fact they seem recently to be sinking inexorably into quicksand quagmire!!! Tp doesn't have the elusive 40 point mark that he notoriously gets to and then switches off. He is a little lost at the moment as he thinks hes safe in the league now.
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Post by humbersidepotter on Jan 5, 2019 0:53:03 GMT
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 5, 2019 1:05:00 GMT
He will steer this club in the right direction with good, attacking, exciting football. He knows the championship (and the Premiership!) so he’ll be perfect to get us up and keep us up. The swans didn’t manage to survive last year, but they were tipped to go down at the start of the season by many people, and he still did a good job - coming just short of keeping them up after a tough set of fixtures. Carlos Cavalhal’s barmy army! (Also - why are we being linked with such great candidates?! What happened to ‘David Moyes and QSF not on shortlist, Mick McCarthy is’? Are we becoming a progressive club? Am I jinxing it? Hasn't QSF gone to manage in China?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 5, 2019 1:18:29 GMT
All hail the Portuguese magician! A genuine God. What’s Gus Poyet up to these days..? Here he is. How are we Ramblers? I believe Gus is busy being a multi millionaire off his move to China. Meanwhile Bobby Martinez is in the most prestigious of roles as Belgium national team manager. Most recently linked to Real Madrid.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 5, 2019 1:20:15 GMT
I have friends that are sheff wed fans they say he lost the plot quite easily
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 5, 2019 1:21:09 GMT
Not a fan of rowett but stick with him rather than that twonk
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 5, 2019 1:29:50 GMT
Who or what exactly make up the Board of Stoke City ? And where does the power behind Stoke exactly lie, is it Denise ? Directors? Peter Coates John Coates Richard Smith Tony Scholes Are the board of Stoke City. The parent company is Bet365 but the club should come under Stoke City Football Club Limited, the clubs ownership address points to Media Way, Festival Park which is Bet365. Whilst no doubt Denise probably can stick her thoughts in (she is running Bet365 after all), she's not on the board. And so do Scholes & Smiths seats on the board give them equal voting powers to that of the 2 Coates boys when it comes to hiring & firing managers ? Because you could have a unanimous decision, a 3-1 decision or even a hung decision with the 2 Coates boys against Scholes and Smith.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jan 5, 2019 1:41:09 GMT
He will steer this club in the right direction with good, attacking, exciting football. He knows the championship (and the Premiership!) so he’ll be perfect to get us up and keep us up. The swans didn’t manage to survive last year, but they were tipped to go down at the start of the season by many people, and he still did a good job - coming just short of keeping them up after a tough set of fixtures. Carlos Cavalhal’s barmy army! (Also - why are we being linked with such great candidates?! What happened to ‘David Moyes and QSF not on shortlist, Mick McCarthy is’? Are we becoming a progressive club? Am I jinxing it?
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Post by 3putts on Jan 5, 2019 1:50:37 GMT
it doesn't matter who we appoint, the atmosphere at scfc has become toxic the players are scared of receiving the ball incase they make a mistake,the manager gets it in the neck if we don't beat a team near the bottom 6-0. we were once branded the best and loudest fans in the premier league, now we are a laughing stock. pulis-despite taking us to a fa cup final was deemed not good enough by our keyboard warriors hughes-had us playing some of the best football I have seen in my 40+ years of supporting stoke deemed not good enough lambert-didn't have enough time but ultimately failed rowett-split opinion straight away over jm so the knifes were allways going to come out once we had a bed spell. how are we going to attract a top manager with so much negativity around the place? I think I preferred my football before the internet!!
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Post by kustokie on Jan 5, 2019 1:55:45 GMT
Fit the system to the players...Gary take note! Some managers are lucky to go and buy whoever they want, like Ferguson and most of the big 6 clubs today, Spurs being the exception. But most have to take a more pragmatic approach. Rowett has a system he believes, but it is useless trying to play a cautious defensive approach if you have got crap defenders. You are bound not to score very many and still end up conceding goals. A more sensible approach might be to choose a system that suits the squad best and then tweak the players to find the best team. Ramsay and Clough were never afraid to pick very average players that fitted their set up best, and not afraid to leave out the most talented players in the interests of playing the strongest team. They created great team synergy with some very average players in the squad and a few star players. Rowett and Clough only have one thing in common: they both managed Derby County. Clough was a genius, Rowett is out of his depth even in the Championship.
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Post by marrer on Jan 5, 2019 2:01:13 GMT
No better record than rowett in terms of what both have achieved in the championship both failed in the play offs. He got a poor Wednesday team to the play offs twice and got them playing good football Also he only lost 37 of 131 games he's managed in the Championship. I know who'd I prefer I know we play a few mid week games but we've been poor on the weekends as well. What's his form with Saturday teams
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 2:14:42 GMT
The last few pages details the real issue. Who could actually pull our club through the mud and out the other side? As much as some will dislike to hear this, the only person who's been able to do it recently is Mr Pulis. But you know what, I don't think he would come back here even if we wanted him to. I don't think Alladyce, Moyes or Carvahal can do it, and quite frankly I don't know who can. Other things within the club have to change first. It will be interesting to see what happens if we don't win today (today my time, anyway....) He’s not doing such an impressive job of pulling Middlesborough “through the mud”, in fact they seem recently to be sinking inexorably into quicksand quagmire!!! Erm… Did I say he'd done it or is doing it with Middlesborough? He did it here, whether you like it or not.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 5, 2019 2:35:31 GMT
it doesn't matter who we appoint, the atmosphere at scfc has become toxic the players are scared of receiving the ball incase they make a mistake,the manager gets it in the neck if we don't beat a team near the bottom 6-0. we were once branded the best and loudest fans in the premier league, now we are a laughing stock. pulis-despite taking us to a fa cup final was deemed not good enough by our keyboard warriors hughes-had us playing some of the best football I have seen in my 40+ years of supporting stoke deemed not good enough lambert-didn't have enough time but ultimately failed rowett-split opinion straight away over jm so the knifes were allways going to come out once we had a bed spell. how are we going to attract a top manager with so much negativity around the place? I think I preferred my football before the internet!! Rowett has been prematurely judged by many fan boys on here and the fan boys that attend games for the time being. Changing him now is simply catastrophic. Stick with him, back him and get behind the team. SGS
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 5, 2019 2:40:27 GMT
Some managers are lucky to go and buy whoever they want, like Ferguson and most of the big 6 clubs today, Spurs being the exception. But most have to take a more pragmatic approach. Rowett has a system he believes, but it is useless trying to play a cautious defensive approach if you have got crap defenders. You are bound not to score very many and still end up conceding goals. A more sensible approach might be to choose a system that suits the squad best and then tweak the players to find the best team. Ramsay and Clough were never afraid to pick very average players that fitted their set up best, and not afraid to leave out the most talented players in the interests of playing the strongest team. They created great team synergy with some very average players in the squad and a few star players. Rowett and Clough only have one thing in common: they both managed Derby County. Clough was a genius, Rowett is out of his depth even in the Championship. He's clearly not though is he, he's fucked up here but has done well at two clubs previously.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 5, 2019 3:06:32 GMT
Rowett and Clough only have one thing in common: they both managed Derby County. Clough was a genius, Rowett is out of his depth even in the Championship. He's clearly not though is he, he's fucked up here but has done well at two clubs previously. “Done well” is highly debatable, to state it charitably
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 6:29:35 GMT
it doesn't matter who we appoint, the atmosphere at scfc has become toxic the players are scared of receiving the ball incase they make a mistake,the manager gets it in the neck if we don't beat a team near the bottom 6-0. we were once branded the best and loudest fans in the premier league, now we are a laughing stock. pulis-despite taking us to a fa cup final was deemed not good enough by our keyboard warriors hughes-had us playing some of the best football I have seen in my 40+ years of supporting stoke deemed not good enough lambert-didn't have enough time but ultimately failed rowett-split opinion straight away over jm so the knifes were allways going to come out once we had a bed spell. how are we going to attract a top manager with so much negativity around the place? I think I preferred my football before the internet!! Don't forget the players that had decided pulis was not quite good enough That was pretty obvious near the end
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Post by s7oke on Jan 5, 2019 6:30:33 GMT
Some managers are lucky to go and buy whoever they want, like Ferguson and most of the big 6 clubs today, Spurs being the exception. But most have to take a more pragmatic approach. Rowett has a system he believes, but it is useless trying to play a cautious defensive approach if you have got crap defenders. You are bound not to score very many and still end up conceding goals. A more sensible approach might be to choose a system that suits the squad best and then tweak the players to find the best team. Ramsay and Clough were never afraid to pick very average players that fitted their set up best, and not afraid to leave out the most talented players in the interests of playing the strongest team. They created great team synergy with some very average players in the squad and a few star players. Rowett and Clough only have one thing in common: they both managed Derby County. Clough was a genius, Rowett is out of his depth even in the Championship. I honestly think that he would be out of his depth in a game of subbuteo
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