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Post by leoncort on Dec 30, 2018 0:35:55 GMT
I’m wondering, if we’d somehow held on at Reading, and against QPR, and snook a win today to find ourselves a point off the play offs, would what’s gone on today and after blues have arisen?
Do we now want GR out because of the results, or the fact that it’s largely boring to watch?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 30, 2018 0:38:38 GMT
They'd want him out because of the way he talks.
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 30, 2018 0:38:51 GMT
Both - if you're playing badly / it's boring to watch, it's easier to stomach if you're winning. But we're doing neither
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 30, 2018 0:42:46 GMT
I’m wondering, if we’d somehow held on at Reading, and against QPR, and snook a win today to find ourselves a point off the play offs, would what’s gone on today and after blues have arisen? Do we now want GR out because of the results, or the fact that it’s largely boring to watch? For me its not result driven. It's all aspects of performance as manager of the football club that is well below par. His alienation of players and now fans is driving a bigger devide through the club than TP. I no longer have any idea what he is trying to achieve and nothing he does makes sense. Never called for TP, Hughes or Lambert to be sacked, but this guy has to go and soon. |
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Post by Absolution on Dec 30, 2018 0:43:34 GMT
They'd want him out because of the way he talks. You fink? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 0:43:56 GMT
The fact that he wasn’t first choice
The performances
The results
His arrogance
His obvious issue with certain players and favouritism towards others
His comfort with belittling the fans/ railing against them
His apparent lack of ability to see the issues we have
St Peters own statement that anything other than Top 6 was a failure
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Post by leoncort on Dec 30, 2018 0:45:03 GMT
I go home & away and admit it’s been tough to watch at times, against some poor sides and you’d think our squad should be top 6 minimum.
However I also think that perhaps our fan base has become a little self entitled having had Arnie, Shaq, Nzonzi...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 30, 2018 0:45:45 GMT
I think I know the answer. Ultimately it comes down to both. But as with Pulis...when you play absolutely dour football but win games it can be justified. However when you play shit football, you have to be successful on the results front because a manager who plays great football with shit results will always be awarded more time and confidence by the fans over the manager who plays shit and loses. Rowett’s doing everything wrong and was particularly insensitive and naive as to the fans relationship with Bauer and Bojan. He immediately put himself on the back foot from day 1 by dropping these guys (and isolating them from the squad). Therefore with barely a game played he had already pissed off a good proportion of supporters. It was rash, ill judged and subsequently underpinned with awful performances. He deserves everything he gets and can have no complaints when he’s fired. Many are fired for far less.
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2018 0:51:33 GMT
It's the results for me.
If you'd said to me after I absorbed the Championship fixture list that we would only have won 8 of the first 25 games with the resources at our disposal I'd have laughed in your face.
In addition I don't much like the way he is slopey shouldered and looks like he is trying to escape out of his track suit top like it is some kind of straight jacket during interviews. I also have a sense he would lick his own balls if he could. But that this stuff is just personal prejudice.
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Post by leoncort on Dec 30, 2018 0:52:12 GMT
I think I know the answer. Ultimately it comes down to both. But as with Pulis...when you play absolutely dour football but win games it can be justified. However when you play shit football, you have to be successful on the results front because a manager who plays great football with shit results will always be awarded more time and confidence by the fans over the manager who plays shit and loses. Rowett’s doing everything wrong and was particularly insensitive and naive as to the fans relationship with Bauer and Bojan. He immediately put himself on the back foot from day 1 by dropping these guys (and isolating them from the squad). Therefore with barely a game played he had already pissed off a good proportion of supporters. It was rash, ill judged and subsequently underpinned with awful performances. He deserves everything he gets and can have no complaints when he’s fired. Many are fired for far less. Good points, even with TP his ‘boring’ football was direct and lead to chances . Now we just pass it side to side with no penetration. I fear if sacked we’ll see a moyes or O’Neil. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2018 0:55:55 GMT
I think I know the answer. Ultimately it comes down to both. But as with Pulis...when you play absolutely dour football but win games it can be justified. However when you play shit football, you have to be successful on the results front because a manager who plays great football with shit results will always be awarded more time and confidence by the fans over the manager who plays shit and loses. Rowett’s doing everything wrong and was particularly insensitive and naive as to the fans relationship with Bauer and Bojan. He immediately put himself on the back foot from day 1 by dropping these guys (and isolating them from the squad). Therefore with barely a game played he had already pissed off a good proportion of supporters. It was rash, ill judged and subsequently underpinned with awful performances. He deserves everything he gets and can have no complaints when he’s fired. Many are fired for far less. Good points, even with TP his ‘boring’ football was direct and lead to chances . Now we just pass it side to side with no penetration. I fear if sacked we’ll see a moyes or O’Neil. IMHO either would bring a real 'feel good' factor back to the place, both have some top club pedigree and a little bit of gravitas. I'd take either right now although I doubt they would come. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 1:01:41 GMT
They'd want him out because of the way he talks. Oh fuck off. We all saw to a man under Hughes we had got ourselves in real trouble and were fighting relegation, a fight we ultimately lost. We are all seeing now that Rowett is not up to scratch. That is not negative or moany or a JCL attitude. It's completely realistic. That performance today, and it's not the first this season, was woeful. Abject. Disappointing. Lamentable. Hopeless. Wretched. It was worse than any performance last season. Even the hammerings. But the biggest gripe, more than anything else was the snakish, narcissistic attitude the small headed turd showed before and after the game. I'm ringing the changes....then does the square root of fuck all. And to then call out Bojan, Edwards and the fans after. He wants fucking off for that alone. |
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Post by Absolution on Dec 30, 2018 1:04:01 GMT
Good points, even with TP his ‘boring’ football was direct and lead to chances . Now we just pass it side to side with no penetration. I fear if sacked we’ll see a moyes or O’Neil. IMHO either would bring a real 'feel good' factor back to the place, both have some top club pedigree and a little bit of gravitas. I'd take either right now although I doubt they would come. Moyes recent record is three fairly abject failures and a short stint at West Ham which resulted in the option to keep him on not being taken up. O’Neill I’d simply describe as a dinosaur, rightly or wrongly. Finding the right manager is never easy and hitting on a successful one is probably as much luck as it is judgement - Pulis was a second choice when first appointed, and Macari a third choice. I just wouldn’t exactly feel inspired by either Moyes or O’Neill. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 30, 2018 1:09:34 GMT
I’m wondering, if we’d somehow held on at Reading, and against QPR, and snook a win today to find ourselves a point off the play offs, would what’s gone on today and after blues have arisen? Do we now want GR out because of the results, or the fact that it’s largely boring to watch? If Chris Kamara had won his 15 games in charge he'd have deserved a contract extension. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 30, 2018 1:09:34 GMT
They'd want him out because of the way he talks. Oh fuck off. We all saw to a man under Hughes we had got ourselves in real trouble and were fighting relegation, a fight we ultimately lost. We are all seeing now that Rowett is not up to scratch. That is not negative or moany or a JCL attitude. It's completely realistic. That performance today, and it's not the first this season, was woeful. Abject. Disappointing. Lamentable. Hopeless. Wretched. It was worse than any performance last season. Even the hammerings. But the biggest gripe, more than anything else was the snakish, narcissistic attitude the small headed turd showed before and after the game. I'm ringing the changes....then does the square root of fuck all. And to then call out Bojan, Edwards and the fans after. He wants fucking off for that alone. Fuck off, really, the amount of shit people came out with when Lambert was here, does he speak English blah blah, they're the people that can fuck off, they can't wait to have a dig at anyone they don't instantly like, its already happened with Rowett. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 30, 2018 1:12:28 GMT
Oh fuck off. We all saw to a man under Hughes we had got ourselves in real trouble and were fighting relegation, a fight we ultimately lost. We are all seeing now that Rowett is not up to scratch. That is not negative or moany or a JCL attitude. It's completely realistic. That performance today, and it's not the first this season, was woeful. Abject. Disappointing. Lamentable. Hopeless. Wretched. It was worse than any performance last season. Even the hammerings. But the biggest gripe, more than anything else was the snakish, narcissistic attitude the small headed turd showed before and after the game. I'm ringing the changes....then does the square root of fuck all. And to then call out Bojan, Edwards and the fans after. He wants fucking off for that alone. Fuck off, really, the amount of shit people came out with when Lambert was here, does he speak English blah blah, they're the people that can fuck off, they can't wait to have a dig at anyone they don't instantly like, its already happened with Rowett. Yeah it's nothing to do with his approach to games, it's because he has a lisp. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 1:19:31 GMT
Oh fuck off. We all saw to a man under Hughes we had got ourselves in real trouble and were fighting relegation, a fight we ultimately lost. We are all seeing now that Rowett is not up to scratch. That is not negative or moany or a JCL attitude. It's completely realistic. That performance today, and it's not the first this season, was woeful. Abject. Disappointing. Lamentable. Hopeless. Wretched. It was worse than any performance last season. Even the hammerings. But the biggest gripe, more than anything else was the snakish, narcissistic attitude the small headed turd showed before and after the game. I'm ringing the changes....then does the square root of fuck all. And to then call out Bojan, Edwards and the fans after. He wants fucking off for that alone. Fuck off, really, the amount of shit people came out with when Lambert was here, does he speak English blah blah, they're the people that can fuck off, they can't wait to have a dig at anyone they don't instantly like, its already happened with Rowett. RE Lambert I agree with you completely. But this isn't just the same idiots. Rowett had chosen to rubbish both the fans and the players tonight. That is totally out of order, especially after the dross we have just watched. We have scored 1 goal against teams that currently lie 7th, 20th and 21st......the blame for that lies with one person and person only. His comments were crass, childish and unprofessional (and not for the 1st time) |
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Post by stokieinaus on Dec 30, 2018 6:11:28 GMT
I’m wondering, if we’d somehow held on at Reading, and against QPR, and snook a win today to find ourselves a point off the play offs, would what’s gone on today and after blues have arisen? Do we now want GR out because of the results, or the fact that it’s largely boring to watch? As I have said before, do we really want to get promotion playing like this? As bad as the bottom half of the premiership is, we would be straight back down. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2018 6:31:23 GMT
I go home & away and admit it’s been tough to watch at times, against some poor sides and you’d think our squad should be top 6 minimum. However I also think that perhaps our fan base has become a little self entitled having had Arnie, Shaq, Nzonzi... One minute your having Kelly Brook then she gets taken away and replaced by Mandy Dingle 😎 |
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 30, 2018 6:31:42 GMT
Fuck off, really, the amount of shit people came out with when Lambert was here, does he speak English blah blah, they're the people that can fuck off, they can't wait to have a dig at anyone they don't instantly like, its already happened with Rowett. RE Lambert I agree with you completely. But this isn't just the same idiots. Rowett had chosen to rubbish both the fans and the players tonight. That is totally out of order, especially after the dross we have just watched. We have scored 1 goal against teams that currently lie 7th, 20th and 21st......the blame for that lies with one person and person only. His comments were crass, childish and unprofessional (and not for the 1st time) Why am I not surprised Boskamps is defending that arrogant fool? |
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Post by s7oke on Dec 30, 2018 7:03:23 GMT
I think the plan is over 2/3 windows is to bring youngsters in. Where possible British youngsters who in the future may sell for a fair amount or feed the English team. Youngsters in general lower the wage bill. Have fitness on their side. But Rowett never plays youngsters unless his hand his forced which means he’s not the right person for the job as he only takes risks on players he actually knows or supposed seasoned professionals. His main problem is that he has no coaching skills and believes he’s better than he is ! |
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 30, 2018 7:11:30 GMT
It's a combination of it all.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 30, 2018 7:26:25 GMT
Oh fuck off. We all saw to a man under Hughes we had got ourselves in real trouble and were fighting relegation, a fight we ultimately lost. We are all seeing now that Rowett is not up to scratch. That is not negative or moany or a JCL attitude. It's completely realistic. That performance today, and it's not the first this season, was woeful. Abject. Disappointing. Lamentable. Hopeless. Wretched. It was worse than any performance last season. Even the hammerings. But the biggest gripe, more than anything else was the snakish, narcissistic attitude the small headed turd showed before and after the game. I'm ringing the changes....then does the square root of fuck all. And to then call out Bojan, Edwards and the fans after. He wants fucking off for that alone. Fuck off, really, the amount of shit people came out with when Lambert was here, does he speak English blah blah, they're the people that can fuck off, they can't wait to have a dig at anyone they don't instantly like, its already happened with Rowett. You could say the same about Rowett, how many times has he had a pop at the fans? |
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Post by wuzza on Dec 30, 2018 8:31:29 GMT
It’s absolutely nothing to do with what he says. In the end that , as with all managers , is a complete sideshow ( and for what it’s worth if he wants to have a go back at people having a go at him fine and dandy).
It’s entirely that results are poor for the most expensive team in the league and that performances are not offering any better prospects for the future (in the early weeks we could hope that the side was ‘developing’ but now we know that really isn’t true).
We are a club lacking inspiration, entertainment, effectiveness and most significantly - hope.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 30, 2018 10:23:03 GMT
Fuck off, really, the amount of shit people came out with when Lambert was here, does he speak English blah blah, they're the people that can fuck off, they can't wait to have a dig at anyone they don't instantly like, its already happened with Rowett. You could say the same about Rowett, how many times has he had a pop at the fans? The ones singing for a player thats not even in the match day squad, I'm not sure but he has a point. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 30, 2018 10:30:56 GMT
It's ALWAYS results driven.
Nothing personal from me and I'm not bothered about his interviews.
Results have never been good enough since he took over.
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Post by santy on Dec 30, 2018 10:45:35 GMT
Results buy you more time to show you can change your style, and sometimes style can buy you more time to show you can change the results.
With transfers and wages we must have breezed through £70m total spending so far this season, with a good deal more yet to come on wages. Yet we're sat there on 35 points. 35 points out of a possible 75. Under Lambert in 14 Premier League games we conceded 18 goals, yet somehow Rowett is getting credit for "steadying" things when we've conceded 29 in 25. Bolton have only conceded 3 more than Stoke.
There really is no lens through which it can be portrayed that he's doing anything close to an acceptable job. Given that the football league will undoubtedly be keeping a close eye on Stoke for FFP breaches, and the fact each year away from the premier league is making the task ever more difficult there's so few excuses you can offer up for him.
There's the argument about what if we'd held on, but what if we hadn't gotten lucky against Norwich and Swansea? There's just as many games where its been lucky we came out with anything, arguably again even yesterday. The chances created, well Bolton definitely had the better even though they only had 2 and there couldn't really have been too many complaints had they gotten all 3 points.
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Post by lordb on Dec 30, 2018 11:33:51 GMT
The fact that he wasn’t first choice The performances The results His arrogance His obvious issue with certain players and favouritism towards others His comfort with belittling the fans/ railing against them His apparent lack of ability to see the issues we have St Peters own statement that anything other than Top 6 was a failure I'm not happy with the manager however the issue with favouring certain players... don't all managers do that, absolutely all of them? Not really arguing against you by the way just that is one point that isn't going to change by a change of manager. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 30, 2018 11:43:29 GMT
If rowett got sacked today it would take our board 2 or 3 weeks to chase their preferred target only to be turned down and then employ their 2nd choice manager,by which time the Jan transfer window is virtually over and we have no time to get the new manager's choice of player in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 11:43:54 GMT
The fact that he wasn’t first choice The performances The results His arrogance His obvious issue with certain players and favouritism towards others His comfort with belittling the fans/ railing against them His apparent lack of ability to see the issues we have St Peters own statement that anything other than Top 6 was a failure I'm not happy with the manager however the issue with favouring certain players... don't all managers do that, absolutely all of them? Not really arguing against you by the way just that is one point that isn't going to change by a change of manager. Of course, you’re right, I think it’s more the way he’s gone about it, and the players involved. Bojan - can’t get an ounce of a look-in, in what must be one of the least creative sides in the second tier of English football? I actually don’t think this is down to pure football as GFR makes out - I think that the die was cast early on, when he realised that Bojan was a firm fans favourite, and so don’t think he liked it at all. Bauer - was our Player Of The Year last year, but this time around, hardly been given any game time, OK was poor at Forest, but seems to have been castigated, Bojan-style, it’s just plain weird. Martina - a terrible, terrible, footballer, who would struggle physically in the FAWSL. Christ almighty, he has still given him more chances than virtually any other player, to actually prove that he’s shit. McLean, politics aside, was absolutely rancid in this early days here, again, was undroppable. He is tbf the very epitome of a GFR player. Honourable mention for Fletcher, nothing more to be said here really. |
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