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Post by ceejays on Dec 16, 2018 13:20:58 GMT
One thing does my head in is Butland continues to dive to his right on penalties. Do they not research beforehand? Do they not practice penalty saves? What’s that Andy Quy doing ? I’ve come to the conclusion that Butland’s left ankle cannot support a dive to the left. Seems daft that but is that the ankle he damaged? Is this the reason he also stays rooted to his line? He’s a long long way off being a top top keeper. Please can you save one Jack !!!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 16, 2018 13:29:38 GMT
I said to the guy next to me yesterday that Abraham would shoot right (Butlands left).
Surely he needs to read the run up better to anticipate which way to dive.
Hell I fathomed it out from the other end of the stadium.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 16, 2018 13:36:52 GMT
He dives before the taker has struck the ball making it easy for taker to roll it into opposite corner.
Frustrating as hes so big he could delay that movement longer making it so much more difficult for the taker.
As for coming out off his line my persistent and numerous ankle injuries always made it hard to make that first forward movement positively. I was subsequently wank on crosses having been decent previously and it affected my tennis badly and still does today. That injury may well be an issue in that sense.
He remains, however, a brilliant keeper who is inexplicably crap at saving penalties.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 13:53:36 GMT
If he can't dive to his left he should stand left of centre 😁
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 14:00:39 GMT
One thing’s for sure if he just stood still until the taker kicked the ball his league success rate of 0% wouldn’t get any worse....
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 16, 2018 14:06:39 GMT
Yeah, never looks like he's going to save one
Still a great keeper though and happy to have him between our sticks
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Post by mickey2693 on Dec 16, 2018 14:11:57 GMT
He hasn't saved a league penalty in 4 years, but then neither has De Gea.
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Post by rawli on Dec 16, 2018 14:19:03 GMT
He hasn't saved a league penalty in 4 years, but then neither has De Gea. Another black mark against him for his international chances. |
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Post by rosco on Dec 16, 2018 14:20:24 GMT
Begovic was just as bad makes you wonder what they get told to do!
I can’t remember anyone since Sorensen saving one? Surely they have though??
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Post by lancashirelad on Dec 16, 2018 15:00:11 GMT
I thought he had changed his technique of falling slowly to his right at penalties as he actually went left on the previous one.
Surely they research opposition penalty takers and inform Butland or teach him to try a read a penalty takers run up etc.
Sorensson saved a lot as did muggleton and a few others but in almost 50 years i cannot remember someone be as poor as Butland is and i now hope the penalty taker misses as i know it will not be saved.
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Post by lordb on Dec 16, 2018 15:08:13 GMT
Begovic was just as bad makes you wonder what they get told to do! I can’t remember anyone since Sorensen saving one? Surely they have though?? Begovic and Butland have both saved one each for Stoke. Poor record. What I find amazing is no opposition player had it one wide/over or hit the frame of the goal for what seems like decades. Edit: was it Downing 10 (TEN) years ago at Middlesbrough? |
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 16, 2018 15:10:11 GMT
He should ask Haugaard for some advice, saving penalties is something he’s actually good at.
It is really poor though how a goalkeeper of his quality and stature has such a poor technique of saving penalties. He doesn’t even dive,
he just collapses to his right before the taker he even kicked the ball.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 16, 2018 15:18:43 GMT
Begovic was just as bad makes you wonder what they get told to do! I can’t remember anyone since Sorensen saving one? Surely they have though?? Begovic and Butland have both saved one each for Stoke. Poor record. What I find amazing is no opposition player had it one wide/over or hit the frame of the goal for what seems like decades. Edit: was it Downing 10 (TEN) years ago at Middlesbrough? Bego saved two, Sunderland and Chelsea both in defeats to nil however. Still a poor record though. |
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Post by riverman on Dec 16, 2018 15:29:52 GMT
Last one I remember him saving was from Hazzard in the cup shoot out a couple of seasons ago.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 16, 2018 15:42:33 GMT
We need big Neville Southall in goal
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Post by podolipotter on Dec 16, 2018 16:13:58 GMT
I am more concerned about Jack's inability to command his six yard box. The cross for their second goal should have been his not the Codgers.
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Post by mark71 on Dec 16, 2018 16:20:11 GMT
I can't understand why goalkeepers don't wait until they know which way the ball is going.
Yes it will limit the amount of the goal they can reach BUT if a player puts the ball within a foot or two of the goal then they've got a really good chance of getting to it. Also if the penalty taker knows the keeper is going to go the right way it will put more pressure on them and force them to place the ball closer to the post and increase the chance of them missing the target.
I'd love to know actually how far across the goal they can cover if they wait to see which way the ball is going.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 16, 2018 16:21:56 GMT
Last one I remember him saving was from Hazzard in the cup shoot out a couple of seasons ago. Don’t, You’re killing me here 💔 |
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Post by mrred on Dec 16, 2018 16:22:17 GMT
Last one I remember him saving was from Hazzard in the cup shoot out a couple of seasons ago. Free pint for whoever can remember the one he saved before that. That may be a trick question actually. As highlighted above, he'll slowly drop down to the right before a balls kicked. You could put your house on it. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 16, 2018 21:22:02 GMT
John Farmer once saved 2 Jimmy Greaves penos in one game at the Vic. Just saying.  |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 16, 2018 21:24:11 GMT
Get Sorensen in as coach.
You were more surprised when the opponent scored when Tommy was in net, never seen a keeper like him for penalties.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 16, 2018 21:43:47 GMT
Butland doesn't dive to his right he slowly falls before the ball is kicked and then watches over his left shoulder as the ball is rolled into the opposite corner.
It really is time we saw some improvement with his penalties
We are meant to have a top gk coach in Andy Quy he really should be sorting it out by now and butlandsreluctance to come for crosses should be being worked on
Either butlandsreluctance isn't listening to advice or the advice isn't being given.
Over to you Mr Quy.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 17, 2018 2:35:31 GMT
Get Sorensen in as coach. You were more surprised when the opponent scored when Tommy was in net, never seen a keeper like him for penalties. Sorensen's penalty saving statistics at Stoke are very interesting indeed, before arriving at Stoke he actually had fewer penalty saves than Butland. He saved 7/19 with us, of which 4 were within 12 months of each other! He had a great streak ~2009 which is etched in people's minds.. but he's bang average career wise for them (23%) 4 of the top 5 keepers for penalty saving in the Premier League are a bit shit too, Manuel Almunia (43%) , Forster (40%), Mignolet (36%), Artur Boruc (35.7%) and Herulho Gomes (31%) - minimum 10 penalties. |
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Post by duckling on Dec 17, 2018 5:09:00 GMT
Get Sorensen in as coach. You were more surprised when the opponent scored when Tommy was in net, never seen a keeper like him for penalties. Sorensen's penalty saving statistics at Stoke are very interesting indeed, before arriving at Stoke he actually had fewer penalty saves than Butland. He saved 7/19 with us, of which 4 were within 12 months of each other! He had a great streak ~2009 which is etched in people's minds.. but he's bang average career wise for them (23%) 23% penalty save rate is very good. In the Premier League from 1992/1993 to 2017/2018, the save rate for penalties was 12.60%. It's only against us that teams have a good save rate 😣 If we're fortunate enough to make the playoffs, Butland's penalty shitness could doom us. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 8:49:25 GMT
Begovic was just as bad makes you wonder what they get told to do! I can’t remember anyone since Sorensen saving one? Surely they have though?? Haugaard has. |
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Post by cooper67 on Dec 17, 2018 11:20:51 GMT
Get Sorensen in as coach. You were more surprised when the opponent scored when Tommy was in net, never seen a keeper like him for penalties. You obviously never saw Paul Cooper who played for Ipswich then? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2018 12:08:46 GMT
Get Sorensen in as coach. You were more surprised when the opponent scored when Tommy was in net, never seen a keeper like him for penalties. You obviously never saw Paul Cooper who played for Ipswich then? Too young, Cooper! 😁 He was short for a keeper, wasn't he? |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 17, 2018 12:28:53 GMT
Like someone else mentioned this must stand against him for England duty. He really should work on his technique and watch a few videos of himself. He dives far too soon to his right on every occassion
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Post by nott1 on Dec 17, 2018 12:32:46 GMT
He hasn't a clue and would save more if he stood still until the ball was kicked!
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Post by nott1 on Dec 17, 2018 12:36:51 GMT
We need big Neville Southall in goal They would never get it past him as they would have nothing to aim at! |
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