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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 11, 2018 8:49:19 GMT
A guy at work has just pointed out that when this 8 match unbeaten run began at Sheff Utd we were 4 points off the play-offs.
8 games later 3-5-0 and we are currently 6 points off .
Strange but it shows the values of wins. Also concerning that games are passing by and in general most of the others are winning and no headway being made.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 11, 2018 9:00:21 GMT
You need 2 points per game to be there or thereabouts.
3-5-0 isn't quite that.
Need to start turning these draws in to wins.
Thinking particularly of QPR and Reading.
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 11, 2018 9:06:21 GMT
To get promoted you have to win in excess of 25 games in the champs...Gazzer's Derby managed 20 and drew 15 which is way too many, hence finishing 6th and bombing in the playoffs. He managed 75 pts last season. we will have to produce something special in the second half of the season. If say a draw at Villa and a win home at the half way stage that would give us 34 pts. I reckon you will need 78 for the play off, 44 pts..... thats a very tall order for a draw specialist.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 11, 2018 9:06:49 GMT
We have dropped unnecessary points unfortunately. We are now paying the price. Automatic promotion is really off the table now but an end of season playoff push is entirely doable.
Over to Gary Rowett to make it happen
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 11, 2018 9:27:08 GMT
Agree with point about going for wins , much better all round
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Post by Davef on Dec 11, 2018 10:05:26 GMT
We were only three points off the play offs when we lost at Leeds.
Rowett out!
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 11, 2018 10:22:22 GMT
6 points behind the playoff spots with 25 games to go, still not a disaster as I see it. The points we are behind were mostly lost in the first 5-6 games of the season and now we have gone 8 without losing. Despite not playing brilliantly on Saturday there are lots of positives if we bother to look for them right now. We might have started too slowly to compete for the direct promotion spots, but we are certainly still in the fight for playoff places.  |
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 11, 2018 10:32:24 GMT
6 points behind the playoff spots with 25 games to go, still not a disaster as I see it. The points we are behind were mostly lost in the first 5-6 games of the season and now we have gone 8 without losing. Despite not playing brilliantly on Saturday there are lots of positives if we bother to look for them right now. We might have started too slowly to compete for the direct promotion spots, but we are certainly still in the fight for playoff places. i agree entirely. Just posted it as found it quite strange that we have lost ground despite being unbeaten. Just emphasises the importance of wins. I guess we'd all take ( or maybe not ) a point at Villa and Brum , but 1 win one defeat is more beneficial. How much longer can we go unbeaten, however that isn't an issue if we can win more games. 2 of the next 4 are against relegation threatened teams, so maybe aim for 9 from next 4. |
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Dec 11, 2018 10:53:45 GMT
6 points behind the playoff spots with 25 games to go, still not a disaster as I see it. The points we are behind were mostly lost in the first 5-6 games of the season and now we have gone 8 without losing. Despite not playing brilliantly on Saturday there are lots of positives if we bother to look for them right now. We might have started too slowly to compete for the direct promotion spots, but we are certainly still in the fight for playoff places. i agree entirely. Just posted it as found it quite strange that we have lost ground despite being unbeaten. Just emphasises the importance of wins. I guess we'd all take ( or maybe not ) a point at Villa and Brum , but 1 win one defeat is more beneficial. How much longer can we go unbeaten, however that isn't an issue if we can win more games. 2 of the next 4 are against relegation threatened teams, so maybe aim for 9 from next 4. I am pleased that we have stopped losing games. After the way we started I thought we would lose at Sheffield United, Norwich, Bristol City and Forest or at best get a point at each. However a return of 8 points from those games was better than expected. Without doubt we need to despatch teams at home and I agree that points dropped, particularly, QPR and Reading recently, and not to mention the losses to the likes of Wigan and Birmingham. We must win more games and reaching 75 points will be difficult. However, I live in hope and thinking if we can get a result against Villa, see off Millwall, and keep our run going at Birmingham and Bolton. None of the games will be easy |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 11:05:21 GMT
A guy at work has just pointed out that when this 8 match unbeaten run began at Sheff Utd we were 4 points off the play-offs. 8 games later 3-5-0 and we are currently 6 points off . Strange but it shows the values of wins. Also concerning that games are passing by and in general most of the others are winning and no headway being made. We were also 11 places away from the top 6, now we're only 4. We were picking up 1.3 ppg, and now we're picking up 1.75 ppg. We're also conceding nearly half as many goals per game as we were in the opening 13 games. So what? You can use stats to show anything you want if you're motivated enough. The only stat that will matter is the points tally at the end of the season and whether it's enough to get us up, or be in with a chance of promotion. Every bugger who follows football knows that this is a pretty mental league where teams can drop away quickly whilst others can come storming up from nowhere. At least we're showing some consistency which was sorely missing (and has been for a long time). I'm not saying it's great, or even good enough - far from it - but things have improved imho. We're all disappointed with how the season's gone so far, and some of the performances have been turgid, but the fact that we can play shit but win is a far cry from where we were at the end of August. I totally get the negativity about Rowett - I remain unconvinced about him myself - but I've accepted he's here until the end of the season at least, so the best I can do is to back the boys to get the points in what is a slog of a season. We're not going to be at our best every game and we're going to have to grind out results on occasion, but at least there's some satisfaction in seeing our ability to do that when we need to. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 11, 2018 11:21:54 GMT
You need 2 points per game to be there or thereabouts. 3-5-0 isn't quite that. Need to start turning these draws in to wins. Thinking particularly of QPR and Reading. Yes the draws are killing us. Fine when you are at the bottom of the table but if you have loftier ambitions they will just kill your hopes in the end. The late equalisers from QPR and Reading were a dagger to the heart, if that's not over dramatic which it perhaps is! It also highlights the problem that we only ever score 0, 1, or 2 goals, given that, any opposition goal is also likely to have a negative outcome on the result for us. It's an obvious point but relevant none the less. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 11, 2018 11:51:47 GMT
6 points behind the playoff spots with 25 games to go, still not a disaster as I see it. The points we are behind were mostly lost in the first 5-6 games of the season and now we have gone 8 without losing. Despite not playing brilliantly on Saturday there are lots of positives if we bother to look for them right now. We might have started too slowly to compete for the direct promotion spots, but we are certainly still in the fight for playoff places. i agree entirely. Just posted it as found it quite strange that we have lost ground despite being unbeaten. Just emphasises the importance of wins. I guess we'd all take ( or maybe not ) a point at Villa and Brum , but 1 win one defeat is more beneficial. How much longer can we go unbeaten, however that isn't an issue if we can win more games. 2 of the next 4 are against relegation threatened teams, so maybe aim for 9 from next 4. ..or hopefully 10 as I hate to see us lose!  |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 11, 2018 12:00:23 GMT
Was just looking back:
Dropped unnecessary points against QPR, Forest and Reading. 3 points in those games and we're in a totally different place.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 11, 2018 12:36:58 GMT
The leaugue is settling a bit, teams at the bottom more consistently shite, teams at the top more consistently better. Less unexpected results than at the start.
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Post by RF10 on Dec 11, 2018 13:22:57 GMT
For how unbelievable rubbish I thought we were on Saturday, we got the win. The season is judged over 46 games and there is no doubt we've dropped important points where we were the best team. If we beat QPR and Reading we would have been going into Villa with prospect of getting into play offs. Plenty of time to go but can't afford to carry out dropping clangers.
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Post by milky on Dec 11, 2018 15:00:48 GMT
I really dont know what people expect when the manager prioritises not losing over going all out and trying to win games.
I dont think its coincidence that the few goals scored post 80 minutes have been when we have been losing games.
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Post by potterspele on Dec 11, 2018 15:40:03 GMT
A guy at work has just pointed out that when this 8 match unbeaten run began at Sheff Utd we were 4 points off the play-offs. 8 games later 3-5-0 and we are currently 6 points off . Strange but it shows the values of wins. Also concerning that games are passing by and in general most of the others are winning and no headway being made. We were also 11 places away from the top 6, now we're only 4. We were picking up 1.3 ppg, and now we're picking up 1.75 ppg. We're also conceding nearly half as many goals per game as we were in the opening 13 games. So what? You can use stats to show anything you want if you're motivated enough. The only stat that will matter is the points tally at the end of the season and whether it's enough to get us up, or be in with a chance of promotion. Every bugger who follows football knows that this is a pretty mental league where teams can drop away quickly whilst others can come storming up from nowhere. At least we're showing some consistency which was sorely missing (and has been for a long time). I'm not saying it's great, or even good enough - far from it - but things have improved imho. We're all disappointed with how the season's gone so far, and some of the performances have been turgid, but the fact that we can play shit but win is a far cry from where we were at the end of August. I totally get the negativity about Rowett - I remain unconvinced about him myself - but I've accepted he's here until the end of the season at least, so the best I can do is to back the boys to get the points in what is a slog of a season. We're not going to be at our best every game and we're going to have to grind out results on occasion, but at least there's some satisfaction in seeing our ability to do that when we need to. Just an observation but the stat you've quoted is still not enough to secure a playoff spot currently despite an improvement in the ppg (assuming the minimum requirement is 75 points which probably won't be enough this year). We simply have to improve further in addition to maintaining consistency, or as most people are already suggesting, fucking well have a go at winning rather than settle for a draw. |
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Post by podolipotter on Dec 11, 2018 16:30:37 GMT
Unlikely as it almost certainly is, mathematically we could still end up as champions. O ye of little faith!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:53:24 GMT
We were also 11 places away from the top 6, now we're only 4. We were picking up 1.3 ppg, and now we're picking up 1.75 ppg. We're also conceding nearly half as many goals per game as we were in the opening 13 games. So what? You can use stats to show anything you want if you're motivated enough. The only stat that will matter is the points tally at the end of the season and whether it's enough to get us up, or be in with a chance of promotion. Every bugger who follows football knows that this is a pretty mental league where teams can drop away quickly whilst others can come storming up from nowhere. At least we're showing some consistency which was sorely missing (and has been for a long time). I'm not saying it's great, or even good enough - far from it - but things have improved imho. We're all disappointed with how the season's gone so far, and some of the performances have been turgid, but the fact that we can play shit but win is a far cry from where we were at the end of August. I totally get the negativity about Rowett - I remain unconvinced about him myself - but I've accepted he's here until the end of the season at least, so the best I can do is to back the boys to get the points in what is a slog of a season. We're not going to be at our best every game and we're going to have to grind out results on occasion, but at least there's some satisfaction in seeing our ability to do that when we need to. Just an observation but the stat you've quoted is still not enough to secure a playoff spot currently despite an improvement in the ppg (assuming the minimum requirement is 75 points which probably won't be enough this year). We simply have to improve further in addition to maintaining consistency, or as most people are already suggesting, fucking well have a go at winning rather than settle for a draw. Totally agree mate, further improvements still need to be made and our run rate needs to increase. We've got 25 games to go and we have to be aiming for a 2 ppg ratio at least to be in with a shout (super-frustrating that we could have hit that marker during our current unbeaten run if we'd held on at Reading). The trajectory we're on is a positive one, but we're still falling short. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 11, 2018 17:23:15 GMT
How are we going g to get 25 wins,when Rowett shits himsen when we are a goal up with 10/15mins.to go?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 11, 2018 17:43:25 GMT
That Reading game was hilarious.
They must be the worst team I've seen us play in years. They would struggle in the division below. They are relegation certainties and yet we had rowett chucking on a late centre back substitution, and darren fletcher, and we retreated to our own 6 yard line.
Like I said in a previous post, it was like getting into a pub car park fight with wee jimmy krankie then assuming the foetal position and letting him give you a twatting.
Totally needless negative subs when we should have been going on to win by a couple more goals.
Rowett's negativity has already ruined our chances this season.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 11, 2018 18:47:18 GMT
You need 2 points per game to be there or thereabouts. 3-5-0 isn't quite that. Need to start turning these draws in to wins. Thinking particularly of QPR and Reading. Yes the draws are killing us. Fine when you are at the bottom of the table but if you have loftier ambitions they will just kill your hopes in the end. The late equalisers from QPR and Reading were a dagger to the heart, if that's not over dramatic which it perhaps is! It also highlights the problem that we only ever score 0, 1, or 2 goals, given that, any opposition goal is also likely to have a negative outcome on the result for us. It's an obvious point but relevant none the less. Clearly incorrect. Just ask Lambert. You might as well lose 8-0 at Citeh and win against Brighton than trying to draw 2 games. |
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 11, 2018 19:21:53 GMT
I wonder if this was what the powers that be had in mind when they changed the points system to 3 for a win?  |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 11, 2018 20:09:19 GMT
At the start of the season we looked like Bambi on ice. Rowett has got us playing like a competent Championship side. If we carry on like we are we'll end up mid table. If we carry on improving we have a perfectly good chance of making the play offs.
I'd actually be more worried if we had an average start and carried on being average. The fact we've improved is encouraging. No reason to be complacent - but sufficiently encouraging to think we can get even better,
It seems to me that a lot of the die hard Rowett out brigade haven't really accepted that we are a Championship side. Much of the frustration seems to be down the fact that we're not playing teams off the park - as if being relatively wealthy and having been in the Premier League for 10 years means anything. It doesn't. Put down that prawn sandwich and have a word with a fan from Villa, Leeds, Bolton, Blackburn....
The ex-Premiership clubs that end up in real trouble are the one's that cling on to the delusion that they are really a Premiership club for some unknown reason slumming it in the Championship. The one's that succeed in this league are the one's that take this league seriously and compete on those terms rather than flounce around like a bunch of prima donnas. Fortunately the owners, the manager and the player seem to have got that - even if some of our fans haven't.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Dec 11, 2018 20:18:13 GMT
When you look at the form of the clubs above us the only one unbeaten in the last 6 games is Villa, big game coming up....
I still think we will be at least in the playoffs at the end of the season. And as much as I liked the idea of Graham Potter becoming our manager, Rowett is proving just as effective...
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