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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 26, 2018 19:24:31 GMT
Well ive been informed that we have two defenders already lined up for the window but no names as to who. I really hope that they are a fullback and a Shawcross replacement! Lets hope so would make w major difference
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 28, 2018 9:57:55 GMT
Well ive been informed that we have two defenders already lined up for the window but no names as to who. I really hope that they are a fullback and a Shawcross replacement! Any ideas who this might be?
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 28, 2018 11:25:53 GMT
Well ive been informed that we have two defenders already lined up for the window but no names as to who. I really hope that they are a fullback and a Shawcross replacement! Any ideas who this might be? Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich?
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Post by Veritas on Dec 28, 2018 14:11:07 GMT
Any ideas who this might be? Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich? He didn't particularly stand out when they were here the other week.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 28, 2018 14:16:01 GMT
Any ideas who this might be? Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich? I’d have to say if true LB is the least of our problems. It’s CB that’s the biggest issue.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 28, 2018 14:48:06 GMT
Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich? I’d have to say if true LB is the least of our problems. It’s CB that’s the biggest issue. Yes and we need 3 of them- I know you don’t like Shawcross but if you think there’s anything any better in Williams and BMI you are oblivious to the mistakes, lack of pace and concentration that they both suffer from - BMI is the worst of all of them.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 28, 2018 15:06:55 GMT
Our biggest problem is that we don't defend as a team from the front and we don't attack as a team, hence we are a bit shit at both.
The current system being deployed dosen't really do a lot to help either, but it does help us to string some pretty little triangle together in our own half.
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 28, 2018 15:26:32 GMT
Half of the problem is our defensive shape with this 4-3-3 is appalling. With a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-1-1 the wingers give the full backs much more protection, whereas with how we set up currently Woods is being asked to cover too much space. There's a good reason so few teams play this formation. The fact that Rowett has persisted with it for this so long just shows how clueless he is.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 28, 2018 15:32:37 GMT
Any ideas who this might be? Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich? Why would we prioritise a left back when the one we've got has arguably been our best player this season?
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 28, 2018 19:05:08 GMT
Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich? Why would we prioritise a left back when the one we've got has arguably been our best player this season? It maybe that Pieters could be leaving for Newcastle?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 20:07:00 GMT
Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich? Why would we prioritise a left back when the one we've got has arguably been our best player this season? Likely because he's been carrying injuries for 2 years and we've seen Bruno fill in at LB once too often?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2018 20:51:40 GMT
Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich? Why would we prioritise a left back when the one we've got has arguably been our best player this season? Bruno’s performances at left back answer that question.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 28, 2018 21:05:12 GMT
Why would we prioritise a left back when the one we've got has arguably been our best player this season? Bruno’s performances at left back answer that question. So we waste even more money on another player who wont be as good as what we have already got then have to endure him starting ahead of the better player? Martina and bauer can both play left back. There is no need for bruno to play there nor is there a need to bring in another left back given the squad we already have.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 21:11:33 GMT
Bruno’s performances at left back answer that question. So we waste even more money on another player who wont be as good as what we have already got then have to endure him starting ahead of the better player? Martina and bauer can both play left back. There is no need for bruno to play there nor is there a need to bring in another left back given the squad we already have. This is where things get a little tricky. Pieters was dropped from the squad a few weeks ago. The reasoning given by the manager was "I don't like to put specialist players on the bench, such as full backs etc"
Fast forward to Brum the other day and Edwards is on the bench, a specialist right back, alongside another young player in Tyrese Campbell.
Therefore, if we buy a left back it means one of two things; either Pieters is leaving, or we'll have one player on big money out of the matchday squad each week.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 28, 2018 21:16:51 GMT
So we waste even more money on another player who wont be as good as what we have already got then have to endure him starting ahead of the better player? Martina and bauer can both play left back. There is no need for bruno to play there nor is there a need to bring in another left back given the squad we already have. This is where things get a little tricky. Pieters was dropped from the squad a few weeks ago. The reasoning given by the manager was "I don't like to put specialist players on the bench, such as full backs etc" Fast forward to Brum the other day and Edwards is on the bench, a specialist right back, alongside another young player in Tyrese Campbell.
Therefore, if we buy a left back it means one of two things; either Pieters is leaving, or we'll have one player on big money out of the matchday squad each week.
Exactly. He doesn't like specialist full backs on the bench by his own admission so what is the point in signing another when hes already got 2 full backs who can cover on the left in emergencies.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2018 0:13:30 GMT
Bruno’s performances at left back answer that question. So we waste even more money on another player who wont be as good as what we have already got then have to endure him starting ahead of the better player? Martina and bauer can both play left back. There is no need for bruno to play there nor is there a need to bring in another left back given the squad we already have. Bauer’s dead to the manager and Martina’s a pile of shit.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2018 0:17:46 GMT
So we waste even more money on another player who wont be as good as what we have already got then have to endure him starting ahead of the better player? Martina and bauer can both play left back. There is no need for bruno to play there nor is there a need to bring in another left back given the squad we already have. Bauer’s dead to the manager and Martina’s a pile of shit. Bauer has a 5 year contract courtesy of the transfer team and rowett chose to bring in Martina because he offered cover right across the back line. He shouldn't be allowed to piss more money away when he can use the player he signed to do the job he himself said the player could do. If we sign a left back and neglect creative forward options and a centre half that can run, then surely the manager and our crack transfer team are dead men walking?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2018 0:26:51 GMT
Bauer’s dead to the manager and Martina’s a pile of shit. our crack transfer team are dead men walking? If our 'crack transfer team' haven't been sacked yet you can only conclude they are unsackable, Dave. Completely immune from the normal scrutiny applied not only to people in football but all walks of life. It's this fact (and others) that lend the whole club an air of being a walking, talking fucking joke from top to bottom.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2018 0:30:41 GMT
Bauer’s dead to the manager and Martina’s a pile of shit. Bauer has a 5 year contract courtesy of the transfer team and rowett chose to bring in Martina because he offered cover right across the back line. He shouldn't be allowed to piss more money away when he can use the player he signed to do the job he himself said the player could do. If we sign a left back and neglect creative forward options and a centre half that can run, then surely the manager and our crack transfer team are dead men walking? I agree. I don’t think we should neglect any of those options. Are they mutually exclusive? I’m just talking realistically. If the realistic choice given Rowett’s prejudices is just BMI then we need a proper left back alternative.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2018 0:39:10 GMT
Bauer has a 5 year contract courtesy of the transfer team and rowett chose to bring in Martina because he offered cover right across the back line. He shouldn't be allowed to piss more money away when he can use the player he signed to do the job he himself said the player could do. If we sign a left back and neglect creative forward options and a centre half that can run, then surely the manager and our crack transfer team are dead men walking? I agree. I don’t think we should neglect any of those options. Are they mutually exclusive? I’m just talking realistically. If the realistic choice given Rowett’s prejudices is just BMI then we need a proper left back alternative. If it was your money would you sanction the spend? At some point the manager and transfer team have got to lie in the bed they've made and justify their very expensive existence. Unless pieters is leaving a left back is the 2nd last position I'd be addressing in January after right back.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2018 1:02:49 GMT
I agree. I don’t think we should neglect any of those options. Are they mutually exclusive? I’m just talking realistically. If the realistic choice given Rowett’s prejudices is just BMI then we need a proper left back alternative. If it was your money would you sanction the spend? At some point the manager and transfer team have got to lie in the bed they've made and justify their very expensive existence. Unless pieters is leaving a left back is the 2nd last position I'd be addressing in January after right back. So you’d sanction another box to box midfielder before a left back? In a perfect world yeah you’d make them lie in the bed they’ve made. As someone who doesn’t want to see BMI within a county mile of left back I’d rather see a viable alternative to Pieters in the squad.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 29, 2018 2:14:18 GMT
Haven't been given any names mate but wonder if one will be Knudsen from Ipswich? I’d have to say if true LB is the least of our problems. It’s CB that’s the biggest issue. RB is the biggest problem because Rowett rates Martina over Edwards, even though everyone can see he is not up to it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 29, 2018 3:01:36 GMT
our crack transfer team are dead men walking? If our 'crack transfer team' haven't been sacked yet you can only conclude they are unsackable, Dave. Completely immune from the normal scrutiny applied not only to people in football but all walks of life. It's this fact (and others) that lend the whole club an air of being a walking, talking fucking joke from top to bottom. It’s possible our crack transfer team actually aren’t involved , I know that poses more questions than it answers but it’s pretty clear McLean wasn’t their idea . Those public spats may have been silenced but as for rifts being healed I’m not so sure , the absence of public comment as telling as anything . Either way of course the only answer is to remove the lot of them , hence I’d go for interim team manager while the owners sort the core issues out , and let the new men or women make the critical next appointment
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2018 9:24:59 GMT
If it was your money would you sanction the spend? At some point the manager and transfer team have got to lie in the bed they've made and justify their very expensive existence. Unless pieters is leaving a left back is the 2nd last position I'd be addressing in January after right back. So you’d sanction another box to box midfielder before a left back? In a perfect world yeah you’d make them lie in the bed they’ve made. As someone who doesn’t want to see BMI within a county mile of left back I’d rather see a viable alternative to Pieters in the squad. I'd sanction the signing of a midfield destroyer or a creative midfielder before another full back for sure. I'd also insist that before bringing in such a player that 3 options were sold from the current squad before doing so. My point is we've got a huge squad,relative to the level we are playing at, and plenty of options to not have to see a centre half at full back. We've got enough options to have a creative option in midfield or a system that allows our team to play on the front foot and create chances. That we don't do this is down to one man and one man only and it's about time a stoke city manager was forced to properly use the squad or generate his own funds to restructure things. Whilst we have these options currently, we don't have sufficient and genuine wide options and we don't have a centre half that can run quickly enough to get us, as a team, 10-15 yards higher up the pitch.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2018 9:43:26 GMT
So you’d sanction another box to box midfielder before a left back? In a perfect world yeah you’d make them lie in the bed they’ve made. As someone who doesn’t want to see BMI within a county mile of left back I’d rather see a viable alternative to Pieters in the squad. I'd sanction the signing of a midfield destroyer or a creative midfielder before another full back for sure. I'd also insist that before bringing in such a player that 3 options were sold from the current squad before doing so. My point is we've got a huge squad,relative to the level we are playing at, and plenty of options to not have to see a centre half at full back. We've got enough options to have a creative option in midfield or a system that allows our team to play on the front foot and create chances. That we don't do this is down to one man and one man only and it's about time a stoke city manager was forced to properly use the squad or generate his own funds to restructure things. Whilst we have these options currently, we don't have sufficient and genuine wide options and we don't have a centre half that can run quickly enough to get us, as a team, 10-15 yards higher up the pitch. I agree with that Dave, but this bloke clearly isn’t capable of using what’s at his disposal and since we’re not getting rid, we need other options. It’s a mess.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2018 9:46:21 GMT
I'd sanction the signing of a midfield destroyer or a creative midfielder before another full back for sure. I'd also insist that before bringing in such a player that 3 options were sold from the current squad before doing so. My point is we've got a huge squad,relative to the level we are playing at, and plenty of options to not have to see a centre half at full back. We've got enough options to have a creative option in midfield or a system that allows our team to play on the front foot and create chances. That we don't do this is down to one man and one man only and it's about time a stoke city manager was forced to properly use the squad or generate his own funds to restructure things. Whilst we have these options currently, we don't have sufficient and genuine wide options and we don't have a centre half that can run quickly enough to get us, as a team, 10-15 yards higher up the pitch. I agree with that Dave, but this bloke clearly isn’t capable of using what’s at his disposal and since we’re not getting rid, we need other options. It’s a mess. Therein lies the answer. If hes not capable get rid. At every other club, getting rid of the manager is easier and cheaper than getting rid of players. I suppose we are different to every other club in that regard as well. As you say, one big mess.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 29, 2018 10:08:01 GMT
Rowett is dammed if he does, and he’s dammed if he doesn’t, and so the easiest course of action for everyone would be a statement from the hidden emperor of the recruitment team stating that for the forthcoming transfer window there would be no incoming players, either permanent or by loan, the only transfer business would be on the outgoing side. This would appease the fans who have no confidence in Rowett or his business in his one and only transfer window to date, Like many of you have pointed out, let him work with what he’s got at his disposal, or in a roundabout way Back him or Sack him !
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2019 15:57:11 GMT
They’ve had nothing to do and they can’t protect one cross going into the area. We need some serious expenditure getting some decent defenders in.
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Post by RAF on Jan 1, 2019 16:09:21 GMT
Talking to a QPR fan at work last week , Cameron has transformed their performances at the back and given them confidence to go on a great run . He can't believe we are considering him surplus to requirements He hasn't even been in the squad for the last 5 games. H
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Post by tony1234 on Jan 1, 2019 16:16:05 GMT
Not sure how we conclude the defence is the biggest issue. We are hapless at both ends?! This looks like 3 games and 0 goals and few chances, and not against the top teams either. Par for home games is to score 2.
Min requirements: 1xCB, 1xLB, 1*AML/R, 1xCF Cost = c25m+ (All of last 3 should bring mobility. Play Bauer RB.)
Only way to make inroads is selling Jack. And so we start all over again. We needed a new team from the last day of last season, with a new strategy' but previous horrors in the transfer market, coupled with a lack of expertise at judging the capabilities of our squad, plus sentimentality, meant we couldn't ship, let alone sell, enough flotsam. Rowett refused to play the loan market too (NB: Abraham and Wilson scored again today).
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