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Post by MadridStokie on Dec 2, 2018 9:37:40 GMT
I just thought I would look back to the 2017/18 season to see how the league table stood at the same point of the season. IF you buy that we are getting better (7 games unbeaten and okay more draws than we would like) and that individual players will continue to improve (stop missing so many chances / stop the poor game management) and that Gary Rowett is getting the team moving in the right direction ... and I accept that is a big If !!! ... then look at where Fulham were this time last season: League Championship table after close of play on 04 December 2017 Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Wolverhampton Wanderers 20 15 2 3 41 17 24 47 2 Cardiff City 20 13 4 3 30 14 16 43 3 Bristol City 20 10 7 3 32 21 11 37 4 Sheffield United 20 12 1 7 33 24 9 37 5 Aston Villa 20 10 6 4 29 18 11 36 6 Derby County 20 10 5 5 30 21 9 35 7 Ipswich Town 20 10 2 8 35 30 5 32 8 Leeds United 20 9 3 8 30 25 5 30 9 Middlesbrough 20 8 5 7 25 20 5 29 10 Preston North End 20 7 8 5 23 21 2 29 11 Brentford 20 6 9 5 31 27 4 27 12 Sheffield Wednesday 20 6 9 5 25 23 2 27 13 Nottingham Forest 20 9 0 11 28 33 -5 27 14 Reading 20 7 5 8 26 24 2 26 15 Fulham 20 6 8 6 26 27 -1 26 16 Norwich City 20 6 6 8 18 26 -8 24 17 Millwall 20 5 7 8 22 21 1 22 18 Queens Park Rangers 20 5 7 8 22 29 -7 22 19 Barnsley 20 5 5 10 24 31 -7 20 20 Hull City 20 4 7 9 34 37 -3 19 21 Bolton Wanderers 20 3 7 10 19 37 -18 16 22 Birmingham City 20 4 4 12 10 29 -19 16 23 Sunderland 20 2 8 10 26 38 -12 14 24 Burton Albion 20 3 5 12 12 38 -26 14 Sorry, could not work out how to do a screen print ... and here is the link www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-championship/04-december-2017/For now anyway, I am going to try to keep the faith ! A lot of our play currently is very very good - we need to push on find a way of making that last for the vast majority of the match and not just a small majority of it. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 2, 2018 21:44:26 GMT
Interesting.
The Top 2 remained the top two 26 games later and both went up.
The Bottom 2 remained the bottom two 26 games later and both went down.
Fulham pulled off a blinding final 26 games and and squeaked up through the play-off competition.
If you think we can do the same Bet Victor will pay you £1,400 on a £100 stake, but my money is staying firmly in my pocket!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 22:28:24 GMT
I'm still confident that we will make the play offs.
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Post by Absolution on Dec 2, 2018 23:28:47 GMT
I'm still confident that we will make the play offs. Strengthen the defence in the window and find a way to get Afobe properly firing and I think that’s comfortably attainable. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 23:49:58 GMT
Interesting. The Top 2 remained the top two 26 games later and both went up. The Bottom 2 remained the bottom two 26 games later and both went down. Fulham pulled off a blinding final 26 games and and squeaked up through the play-off competition. If you think we can do the same Bet Victor will pay you £1,400 on a £100 stake, but my money is staying firmly in my pocket! You know I might just have a little go at that. I'll get you a pint if if it comes in Gods |
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Post by Gods on Dec 2, 2018 23:55:46 GMT
Interesting. The Top 2 remained the top two 26 games later and both went up. The Bottom 2 remained the bottom two 26 games later and both went down. Fulham pulled off a blinding final 26 games and and squeaked up through the play-off competition. If you think we can do the same Bet Victor will pay you £1,400 on a £100 stake, but my money is staying firmly in my pocket! You know I might just have a little go at that. I'll get you a pint if if it comes in Gods In truth I was tempted myself as I typed it! I do still believe we may make the play-offs and it's a 4 team lottery from there IMHO |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 0:16:58 GMT
You know I might just have a little go at that. I'll get you a pint if if it comes in Gods In truth I was tempted myself as I typed it! I do still believe we may make the play-offs and it's a 4 team lottery from there IMHO We have to live in hope make that pint a bottle of single malt  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 14:24:29 GMT
Let’s not forget Fulham’s ridiculous run almost did the unthinkable and got them automatic promotion, in theory as long as we bag enough points to claim 6th spot we’re in the game.
It would mean we’d make the play offs with momentum as well which is massive.
Here’s hoping.....
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 3, 2018 14:58:26 GMT
Afraid hope went out the window after Saturday we will not make the play offs with Rowett at the helm.
He needs to change his tactics before we get any hope of a top 6 place.
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 3, 2018 15:52:26 GMT
We're doomed. Probably another 27 years outside the top flight.
Oh hang on. Someone here mentioned Christmas. If miracles are likely to happen isn't this the time of year that things start.
So Christmas miracle for Stoke. Follow our new star- Sam Clucas.
Whatever happens I expect our three wise men, Coates, Scholes and Cartwright turn up late for the party, wondering what all the fuss is about. Happy advent to all.
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Post by mrred on Dec 3, 2018 15:55:04 GMT
Still think it's a pretty sizable failure if we don't make automatic promotion. There's no excuses.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 3, 2018 16:48:51 GMT
No hope with this goon in charge!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 3, 2018 17:26:43 GMT
Sack this hopeless manager and appoint someone with a clue and we then have an outside chance of the play offs.
It has been a disastrous season so far
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Post by milky on Dec 3, 2018 17:30:15 GMT
Its not happening with a manager who hasnt the bollocks to try and turn draws into wins by really going for it in the last 15 or 20 minutes of games.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 3, 2018 17:43:40 GMT
I'm still confident that we will make the play offs. When Pandora opened her box & released all of the evils into the world, but closed it before hope was released, hope was considered an evil... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 19:40:40 GMT
Still think it's a pretty sizable failure if we don't make automatic promotion. There's no excuses. That is complete rubbish. |
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Post by adamsson on Dec 3, 2018 19:55:07 GMT
We might make the FA cup fourth round
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 3, 2018 21:21:55 GMT
We might make the FA cup fourth round Wooaahhh there ! You do realise “ vis unita fortior” means “ Stoke dont do cups” dont you ? 😁 |
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Post by ProctorDre on Dec 4, 2018 7:58:26 GMT
Sack this hopeless manager and appoint someone with a clue and we then have an outside chance of the play offs. It has been a disastrous season so far I see you're as positive as ever. "Disastrous"? Bit dramatic. |
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Dec 4, 2018 11:46:19 GMT
Its not happening with a manager who hasnt the bollocks to try and turn draws into wins by really going for it in the last 15 or 20 minutes of games. He's doing a good job of turning wins into draws. |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2018 11:55:47 GMT
I just thought I would look back to the 2017/18 season to see how the league table stood at the same point of the season. IF you buy that we are getting better (7 games unbeaten and okay more draws than we would like) and that individual players will continue to improve (stop missing so many chances / stop the poor game management) and that Gary Rowett is getting the team moving in the right direction ... and I accept that is a big If !!! ... then look at where Fulham were this time last season: League Championship table after close of play on 04 December 2017 Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Wolverhampton Wanderers 20 15 2 3 41 17 24 47 2 Cardiff City 20 13 4 3 30 14 16 43 3 Bristol City 20 10 7 3 32 21 11 37 4 Sheffield United 20 12 1 7 33 24 9 37 5 Aston Villa 20 10 6 4 29 18 11 36 6 Derby County 20 10 5 5 30 21 9 35 7 Ipswich Town 20 10 2 8 35 30 5 32 8 Leeds United 20 9 3 8 30 25 5 30 9 Middlesbrough 20 8 5 7 25 20 5 29 10 Preston North End 20 7 8 5 23 21 2 29 11 Brentford 20 6 9 5 31 27 4 27 12 Sheffield Wednesday 20 6 9 5 25 23 2 27 13 Nottingham Forest 20 9 0 11 28 33 -5 27 14 Reading 20 7 5 8 26 24 2 26 15 Fulham 20 6 8 6 26 27 -1 26 16 Norwich City 20 6 6 8 18 26 -8 24 17 Millwall 20 5 7 8 22 21 1 22 18 Queens Park Rangers 20 5 7 8 22 29 -7 22 19 Barnsley 20 5 5 10 24 31 -7 20 20 Hull City 20 4 7 9 34 37 -3 19 21 Bolton Wanderers 20 3 7 10 19 37 -18 16 22 Birmingham City 20 4 4 12 10 29 -19 16 23 Sunderland 20 2 8 10 26 38 -12 14 24 Burton Albion 20 3 5 12 12 38 -26 14 Sorry, could not work out how to do a screen print ... and here is the link www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-championship/04-december-2017/For now anyway, I am going to try to keep the faith ! A lot of our play currently is very very good - we need to push on find a way of making that last for the vast majority of the match and not just a small majority of it. Apologies if this dashes hopes, but may I point out that Derby got worse in the second half of last season after the transfer window. They only got 1 point off Fulham. It is also should be pointed out the positions of Rowett's previous clubs Birmingham and Burton are on your table. Food for thought: www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england2_2018&stats=2-derby-county |
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Post by milky on Dec 4, 2018 12:04:07 GMT
Its not happening with a manager who hasnt the bollocks to try and turn draws into wins by really going for it in the last 15 or 20 minutes of games. He's doing a good job of turning wins into draws. Well he tends to prefer to try and sit on 1 goal leads even when , like on Saturday, we have got the opposition on the ropes ready to throw in the towel. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Dec 4, 2018 12:13:37 GMT
IF you buy that we are getting better (7 games unbeaten and okay more draws than we would like) and that individual players will continue to improve (stop missing so many chances / stop the poor game management) and that Gary Rowett is getting the team moving in the right direction ... and I accept that is a big If !!! ... then look at where Fulham were this time last season:
And I don't. Sorry.
Even "if" some of the other long-overdue areas are coming together, just look at the gutless and clueless substitutions on Saturday to inspire any faith in his management.
He is no Jakanovic. |
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Post by s8to on Dec 4, 2018 12:23:56 GMT
I just thought I would look back to the 2017/18 season to see how the league table stood at the same point of the season. IF you buy that we are getting better (7 games unbeaten and okay more draws than we would like) and that individual players will continue to improve (stop missing so many chances / stop the poor game management) and that Gary Rowett is getting the team moving in the right direction ... and I accept that is a big If !!! ... then look at where Fulham were this time last season: League Championship table after close of play on 04 December 2017 Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Wolverhampton Wanderers 20 15 2 3 41 17 24 47 2 Cardiff City 20 13 4 3 30 14 16 43 3 Bristol City 20 10 7 3 32 21 11 37 4 Sheffield United 20 12 1 7 33 24 9 37 5 Aston Villa 20 10 6 4 29 18 11 36 6 Derby County 20 10 5 5 30 21 9 35 7 Ipswich Town 20 10 2 8 35 30 5 32 8 Leeds United 20 9 3 8 30 25 5 30 9 Middlesbrough 20 8 5 7 25 20 5 29 10 Preston North End 20 7 8 5 23 21 2 29 11 Brentford 20 6 9 5 31 27 4 27 12 Sheffield Wednesday 20 6 9 5 25 23 2 27 13 Nottingham Forest 20 9 0 11 28 33 -5 27 14 Reading 20 7 5 8 26 24 2 26 15 Fulham 20 6 8 6 26 27 -1 26 16 Norwich City 20 6 6 8 18 26 -8 24 17 Millwall 20 5 7 8 22 21 1 22 18 Queens Park Rangers 20 5 7 8 22 29 -7 22 19 Barnsley 20 5 5 10 24 31 -7 20 20 Hull City 20 4 7 9 34 37 -3 19 21 Bolton Wanderers 20 3 7 10 19 37 -18 16 22 Birmingham City 20 4 4 12 10 29 -19 16 23 Sunderland 20 2 8 10 26 38 -12 14 24 Burton Albion 20 3 5 12 12 38 -26 14 Sorry, could not work out how to do a screen print ... and here is the link www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-championship/04-december-2017/For now anyway, I am going to try to keep the faith ! A lot of our play currently is very very good - we need to push on find a way of making that last for the vast majority of the match and not just a small majority of it. Apologies if this dashes hopes, but may I point out that Derby got worse in the second half of last season after the transfer window. They only got 1 point off Fulham. It is also should be pointed out the positions of Rowett's previous clubs Birmingham and Burton are on your table. Food for thought: www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england2_2018&stats=2-derby-countyThe final irony on this is... Didn't Derby end up plating Fulham in the play off's..? And.. From memory Derby sat back and ultimately lost to Fulham as a result? There is a lesson there somewhere!! |
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Post by bolly_premprem on Dec 4, 2018 12:44:44 GMT
have you got a link to that bet, got to be worth a punt
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 4, 2018 14:25:34 GMT
Apologies if this dashes hopes, but may I point out that Derby got worse in the second half of last season after the transfer window. They only got 1 point off Fulham. It is also should be pointed out the positions of Rowett's previous clubs Birmingham and Burton are on your table. Food for thought: www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england2_2018&stats=2-derby-countyThe final irony on this is... Didn't Derby end up plating Fulham in the play off's..? And.. From memory Derby sat back and ultimately lost to Fulham as a result? There is a lesson there somewhere!! They won the home leg 1-0 and lost away 0-2. Can’t say I’ve seen the games but word has it from Derby fans that his defensive mindedness cost them. |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2018 14:37:20 GMT
We're doomed. Probably another 27 years outside the top flight. Oh hang on. Someone here mentioned Christmas. If miracles are likely to happen isn't this the time of year that things start. So Christmas miracle for Stoke. Follow our new star- Sam Clucas. Whatever happens I expect our three wise men, Coates, Scholes and Cartwright turn up late for the party, wondering what all the fuss is about. Happy advent to all. One is worth his weight in gold and the other two smell, (frankincense and myrrh). |
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Post by nott1 on Dec 4, 2018 16:49:54 GMT
I'm still confident that we will make the play offs. Strengthen the defence in the window and find a way to get Afobe properly firing and I think that’s comfortably attainable. Afobe needs replacing with a proper striker.....one that jumps to head the ball and both feet leave the feckin' ground! |
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Post by Absolution on Dec 4, 2018 17:18:11 GMT
Strengthen the defence in the window and find a way to get Afobe properly firing and I think that’s comfortably attainable. Afobe needs replacing with a proper striker.....one that jumps to head the ball and both feet leave the feckin' ground! I like him. He's not been brilliant, but we don't create a lot. There's probably fault on both sides, but I can see why he's done well at this level previously. I wonder if his confidence has been knocked by Wolves wanting to get rid as soon as they reached the promised land. Must have been a bit humiliating to effectively be told you're not wanted or good enough at that level. |
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Post by milky on Dec 4, 2018 18:12:03 GMT
Does anyone seriously think , bearing in mind this managers usual post 70th minute crapping of his pants , that we can get even close to the run Fulham went on ?
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