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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 26, 2018 22:38:18 GMT
Just scored again Premiership may have been a step too far but shirely worth a punt in this league Because it would be unfair on the lad in the present system (or lack of) that would simply see him isolated on his own chasing fresh air
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 22:42:08 GMT
Saido is playing well and Afobe was excellent early on. Might get a bench place but the manager clearly trusts Crouch. Define 'playing well'. He scored a goal 6 inches from goal and did very little else. He's still massivley owes this club and when I read back page headlines quoting him saying "it's not been easy, but I'm back now" I want to slap the ovepaid clown. His performances have generally been very good this season. Even if he hadn't scored 1 goal for us I'd say the same.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 26, 2018 22:43:05 GMT
He had a good game on Saturday beyond his goal. He led the line well, he linked up with the wide players well, his movement was good. What he actually said was it'd been tough but he'd come back fit and able to show what he was about and that he hopes it continues. Not sure why the pitchforks are out over that... To be fair have to agree that Berahino still 'owes' the club. He's been alright this season though. More goals please. His goal on Saturday is certainly a move in the right direction. That’s now 2 in 43 league appearances, at that rate he should hit double figures by the end of his contract
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 26, 2018 22:47:15 GMT
To be fair have to agree that Berahino still 'owes' the club. He's been alright this season though. More goals please. His goal on Saturday is certainly a move in the right direction. That’s now 2 in 43 league appearances, at that rate he should hit double figures by the end of his contract He's rarely played as a striker this season to be fair.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 26, 2018 23:04:14 GMT
Because the people who actually watch him in training don't think he is good enough. But obviously the decision should be left to people who haven't.
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Post by rawli on Nov 27, 2018 0:12:33 GMT
Quite happy to see him playing Edwards myself. Obviously, he's a good young player, England U20 International. Why bring in Martina who is an absolute camel? A loan wasted. Now we're looking at bringing other crap in because another camel (who we're committed to the tune of £12million) isn't good enough. Afobe wasn't a camel at Wolves. He's not a lone striker but keeps getting played as one.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 27, 2018 0:22:44 GMT
See how he goes against the men at Vale... Reports suggest that he doesn't work hard enough - a poacher which is a bit of a luxury these days He's a very foolish lad if he doesnt work hard enough, at such a young age, and trying to push for the first team!!! Not saying you're wrong wisey, just saying he's very foolish at his age if he isn't gonnna put the effort in!!!
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2018 0:27:07 GMT
What little I have seen of him he reminds me of a lower league version of his dad Kevin Campbell.
He's very basic but able to do a job of a kind.
I think if he did start him it would be an admission that our player recruitment and retention has gone completely wrong but maybe that's the point we have arrived at.
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Post by wembley4372 on Nov 27, 2018 1:06:36 GMT
Go and watch the under 23 games then make your mind up. He might benefit from a loan deal but it’s too early for the bench.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 27, 2018 4:38:26 GMT
His goal on Saturday is certainly a move in the right direction. That’s now 2 in 43 league appearances, at that rate he should hit double figures by the end of his contract He's rarely played as a striker this season to be fair. OK. 1 goal in 25 appearances then
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2018 6:38:20 GMT
He's rarely played as a striker this season to be fair. OK. 1 goal in 25 appearances then Some people made up their minds years ago and no amount of decent performances is going to change them.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 27, 2018 7:30:21 GMT
It could have something to do with the fact that he's absolutely gash.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 27, 2018 8:28:02 GMT
OK. 1 goal in 25 appearances then Some people made up their minds years ago and no amount of decent performances is going to change them. True. However he was purchased to score goals
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2018 8:31:35 GMT
Some people made up their minds years ago and no amount of decent performances is going to change them. True. However he was purchased to score goals He was purchased to play as a striker. Being a striker isn't, in 2018, just about scoring goals. He's also in a team that isn't set up to score goals or service the forward players. He was an absolute disaster who looked like he wouldn't do well in a League Two side. Now he's in a decent run of form, working hard for the team and playing well. It seems churlish not to recognise that.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 27, 2018 8:35:51 GMT
Because the people who actually watch him in training don't think he is good enough. But obviously the decision should be left to people who haven't. Are they the same people who thought Edwards wasn't good enough and brought in Martina?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 27, 2018 8:51:37 GMT
True. However he was purchased to score goals He was purchased to play as a striker. Being a striker isn't, in 2018, just about scoring goals. He's also in a team that isn't set up to score goals or service the forward players. He was an absolute disaster who looked like he wouldn't do well in a League Two side. Now he's in a decent run of form, working hard for the team and playing well. It seems churlish not to recognise that. It will 2 years in January since he signed and he’s yet to deliver on the reason for his signing. Can we then agree that all of our other current strikers be given the same latitude under your point about 2018. Surely the primary role of a defender is to defend, a midfield player to defend or attack from midfield, Wide players to get the ball into the danger area and strikers to score goals. Am I missing something? Football fashions may change but the fundamentals still remain
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 27, 2018 9:01:16 GMT
The amount of people on here who hold a grudge is quite staggering. (Regarding Berahino) get fucking over what happened in the past, he's dedicated and playing well now, that's the important thing.
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Post by s8to on Nov 27, 2018 9:08:22 GMT
Berahino has to start as the main striker for a good run of games now He showed glimpses of a decent striker on Saturday He deserves a fair crack Was that the crack of the shot that went out for a throw in??
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2018 10:42:30 GMT
He was purchased to play as a striker. Being a striker isn't, in 2018, just about scoring goals. He's also in a team that isn't set up to score goals or service the forward players. He was an absolute disaster who looked like he wouldn't do well in a League Two side. Now he's in a decent run of form, working hard for the team and playing well. It seems churlish not to recognise that. It will 2 years in January since he signed and he’s yet to deliver on the reason for his signing. Can we then agree that all of our other current strikers be given the same latitude under your point about 2018. Surely the primary role of a defender is to defend, a midfield player to defend or attack from midfield, Wide players to get the ball into the danger area and strikers to score goals. Am I missing something? Football fashions may change but the fundamentals still remain Strikers are increasingly signed today for their all round game, even if they’re not necessarily the most prolific. If you’ve read Michael Calvin’s book on football scouts, many of them look for the nuisance factor or how they bring others into the game before looking at their scoring record. Berahino after the trainwreck of his early Stoke career was never going to suddenly become brilliant overnight was he? He’s slowly putting it back together, surely that’s better than him still being a complete wastrel? At the top level, ‘defending’ ability isn’t necessarily the top criteria when looking to sign defenders either.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 27, 2018 11:09:09 GMT
See how he goes against the men at Vale... Reports suggest that he doesn't work hard enough - a poacher which is a bit of a luxury these days He's a very foolish lad if he doesnt work hard enough, at such a young age, and trying to push for the first team!!! Not saying you're wrong wisey, just saying he's very foolish at his age if he isn't gonnna put the effort in!!! Perhaps he doesn't have enough stamina yet, he's still a kiddie!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 27, 2018 11:11:50 GMT
It will 2 years in January since he signed and he’s yet to deliver on the reason for his signing. Can we then agree that all of our other current strikers be given the same latitude under your point about 2018. Surely the primary role of a defender is to defend, a midfield player to defend or attack from midfield, Wide players to get the ball into the danger area and strikers to score goals. Am I missing something? Football fashions may change but the fundamentals still remain Strikers are increasingly signed today for their all round game, even if they’re not necessarily the most prolific. If you’ve read Michael Calvin’s book on football scouts, many of them look for the nuisance factor or how they bring others into the game before looking at their scoring record. Berahino after the trainwreck of his early Stoke career was never going to suddenly become brilliant overnight was he? He’s slowly putting it back together, surely that’s better than him still being a complete wastrel? At the top level, ‘defending’ ability isn’t necessarily the top criteria when looking to sign defenders either. I’ll agree to disagree with you in respect of Berahino. He’s got 3.5 years left on his contract to try and make amends for his unprofessionalism in not providing value to money to his employer. Especially last season!!! By all means come back to me in May if he continues to turns his improved displays (they couldn’t get any worse) into goals
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 27, 2018 11:16:04 GMT
We should get rid of Berahino in January if we can and spend what we get plus some more on another strike. However, on his wages I can't see it happening.
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Post by chrisgal on Nov 27, 2018 11:22:17 GMT
See how he goes against the men at Vale... Reports suggest that he doesn't work hard enough - a poacher which is a bit of a luxury these days He's a very foolish lad if he doesnt work hard enough, at such a young age, and trying to push for the first team!!! Not saying you're wrong wisey, just saying he's very foolish at his age if he isn't gonnna put the effort in!!! I have watched him twice this season and on both occassions he has put less effort in than any other Stoke player on the pitch. He is a poacher but from what I have seen he contributes very little else.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2018 13:02:42 GMT
We should get rid of Berahino in January if we can and spend what we get plus some more on another strike. However, on his wages I can't see it happening. I'd rather see if there's a way out of the Afobe deal.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2018 13:03:50 GMT
Strikers are increasingly signed today for their all round game, even if they’re not necessarily the most prolific. If you’ve read Michael Calvin’s book on football scouts, many of them look for the nuisance factor or how they bring others into the game before looking at their scoring record. Berahino after the trainwreck of his early Stoke career was never going to suddenly become brilliant overnight was he? He’s slowly putting it back together, surely that’s better than him still being a complete wastrel? At the top level, ‘defending’ ability isn’t necessarily the top criteria when looking to sign defenders either. I’ll agree to disagree with you in respect of Berahino. He’s got 3.5 years left on his contract to try and make amends for his unprofessionalism in not providing value to money to his employer. Especially last season!!! By all means come back to me in May if he continues to turns his improved displays (they couldn’t get any worse) into goals If he's playing well and contributing well to the team's overall play then I'm not especially fussed if he scores or not.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 27, 2018 13:20:29 GMT
I fail to see what Bojan couldn't do better, but Rowett doesn't feel the same.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 27, 2018 13:27:29 GMT
Because the people who actually watch him in training don't think he is good enough. But obviously the decision should be left to people who haven't. Are they the same people who thought Edwards wasn't good enough and brought in Martina? From what I've seen Edwards is a reasonable first team prospect who the last three regimes have recognised as having the potential to break into the first team. However he is still learning and (understandably) will be inconsistent. He's had a couple of decent games lately but he was atrocious on Saturday and I wouldn't be surprised if he is dropped on Wednesday - we can't afford to blow our promotion prospects on sentiment. Martina is a solid, unspectacular fullback. He offers less going forward than Edwards but he's far more steady and dependable. Given that Bauer has lost it bringing in Martina when the alternative is a youngster learning his trade is perfectly sensible management. The only person shouting about Campbell is his dad. He was given a chance last season and from what I saw he was no where near ready for the first team - in fact on that outing I'd be gob smacked if he made it at his level. Those "same people" know far more about football and the players at their disposal than you or I or anyone posting on this board. By all means express an opinion but if you think you or anyone posting on this board has a deeper insight into team selection you really have lost the plot.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2018 13:29:46 GMT
Are they the same people who thought Edwards wasn't good enough and brought in Martina? From what I've seen Edwards is a reasonable first team prospect who the last three regimes have recognised as having the potential to break into the first team. However he is still learning and (understandably) will be inconsistent. He's had a couple of decent games lately but he was atrocious on Saturday and I wouldn't be surprised if he is dropped on Wednesday - we can't afford to blow our promotion prospects on sentiment. Martina is a solid, unspectacular fullback. He offers less going forward than Edwards but he's far more steady and dependable. Given that Bauer has lost it bringing in Martina when the alternative is a youngster learning his trade is perfectly sensible management. The only person shouting about Campbell is his dad. He was given a chance last season and from what I saw he was no where near ready for the first team - in fact on that outing I'd be gob smacked if he made it at his level. Those "same people" know far more about football and the players at their disposal than you or I or anyone posting on this board. By all means express an opinion but if you think you or anyone posting on this board has a deeper insight into team selection you really have lost the plot. Martina hasn't looked remotely 'solid'.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 27, 2018 13:33:53 GMT
Are they the same people who thought Edwards wasn't good enough and brought in Martina? From what I've seen Edwards is a reasonable first team prospect who the last three regimes have recognised as having the potential to break into the first team. However he is still learning and (understandably) will be inconsistent. He's had a couple of decent games lately but he was atrocious on Saturday and I wouldn't be surprised if he is dropped on Wednesday - we can't afford to blow our promotion prospects on sentiment. Martina is a solid, unspectacular fullback. He offers less going forward than Edwards but he's far more steady and dependable. Given that Bauer has lost it bringing in Martina when the alternative is a youngster learning his trade is perfectly sensible management. The only person shouting about Campbell is his dad. He was given a chance last season and from what I saw he was no where near ready for the first team - in fact on that outing I'd be gob smacked if he made it at his level. Those "same people" know far more about football and the players at their disposal than you or I or anyone posting on this board. By all means express an opinion but if you think you or anyone posting on this board has a deeper insight into team selection you really have lost the plot. 'Martina is solid' And you say I have lost the plot. Dropping Edwards would be extremely poor management.
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 27, 2018 13:43:50 GMT
Are they the same people who thought Edwards wasn't good enough and brought in Martina? From what I've seen Edwards is a reasonable first team prospect who the last three regimes have recognised as having the potential to break into the first team. However he is still learning and (understandably) will be inconsistent. He's had a couple of decent games lately but he was atrocious on Saturday and I wouldn't be surprised if he is dropped on Wednesday - we can't afford to blow our promotion prospects on sentiment. Martina is a solid, unspectacular fullback. He offers less going forward than Edwards but he's far more steady and dependable. Given that Bauer has lost it bringing in Martina when the alternative is a youngster learning his trade is perfectly sensible management. The only person shouting about Campbell is his dad. He was given a chance last season and from what I saw he was no where near ready for the first team - in fact on that outing I'd be gob smacked if he made it at his level. Those "same people" know far more about football and the players at their disposal than you or I or anyone posting on this board. By all means express an opinion but if you think you or anyone posting on this board has a deeper insight into team selection you really have lost the plot. Martina has had a couple of OK games and the rest have been fairly poor. Considering that's pretty much form for his career in this country where is the benefit to Stoke city of playing him over a youngster that will have mistakes in him but will get better the more he's played. Stick with the average to poor player who isn't even ours or try to mould a young but talented player into a star ? I know which screams risk & reward and which screams settling for safety.
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