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France
Jan 20, 2019 20:29:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 20:29:58 GMT
I did ask my French friends about this a few days ago. They say that apparently tourism doesn't seem to have been particularly affected by the protests - France is a big country and there is so much to see and do in areas that aren't affected by the protests. In Paris the protests are generally confined to certain areas (Champs Elysees etc). The previous terror attacks, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan etc, did have a fairly big negative effect on tourism numbers but they've slowly increased since then but are still below the previous levels.
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France
Jan 20, 2019 21:32:00 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 20, 2019 21:32:00 GMT
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Jan 20, 2019 21:46:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 21:46:50 GMT
Bloody hell, it's getting serious now. Macron must be really worried to authorise this aggressive response from the police. Modern day Europe - quite frightening isn't it ! I can't see the protestors giving up and going away now though.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 20, 2019 22:13:27 GMT
It is also anti-EU. Many banners call for Frexit.
The EU will do anything to stop an EU Spring. Hence the media blackout.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 20, 2019 22:34:31 GMT
It is also anti-EU. Many banners call for Frexit. The EU will do anything to stop an EU Spring. Hence the media blackout. Macron seems to be doing everything to turn people back to Le Pen
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France
Jan 20, 2019 22:35:39 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Jan 20, 2019 22:35:39 GMT
Macron wants more and more EU integration
How any remained can want this is frightening
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 23:03:16 GMT
Macron is running scared right now and is seemingly willing to stop at nothing to crush this uprising. Unfortunately for him the French are not happy with his domestic policies and are increasingly opposed to his pro-EU stance and desire for ever closer union particularly with Germany but with the EU in general. Immigration is a real problem, and support for Frexit is growing rapidly.
This isn't going to stop anytime soon.
Yet it's barely being reported over here - wonder why that is ? Instead we have bloody Starmer, Soubry, Grieve, Umunna and Co. all bleating about how wonderful the EU is and doing everything they can to overturn the 2016 result. We also have a co-ordinated and concerted news effort brainwashing us at the same time.
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France
Jan 20, 2019 23:22:11 GMT
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jan 20, 2019 23:22:11 GMT
It is also anti-EU. Many banners call for Frexit. The EU will do anything to stop an EU Spring. Hence the media blackout. Well I reckon Arab state armed forces should intervene for ‘humanitarian’ reasons.
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France
Jan 21, 2019 9:42:11 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Jan 21, 2019 9:42:11 GMT
Macron is running scared right now and is seemingly willing to stop at nothing to crush this uprising. Unfortunately for him the French are not happy with his domestic policies and are increasingly opposed to his pro-EU stance and desire for ever closer union particularly with Germany but with the EU in general. Immigration is a real problem, and support for Frexit is growing rapidly. This isn't going to stop anytime soon. Yet it's barely being reported over here - wonder why that is ? Instead we have bloody Starmer, Soubry, Grieve, Umunna and Co. all bleating about how wonderful the EU is and doing everything they can to overturn the 2016 result. We also have a co-ordinated and concerted news effort brainwashing us at the same time. What these news organisations seem to fail to realise is that if they blacklist such stories, or attempt to put their own spin on them, then people will find the information from elsewhere. The news media then loses its grip by attempting to tighten it. (c) Princess Leia.
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France
Jan 21, 2019 19:28:33 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 21, 2019 19:28:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:50:23 GMT
It's disgusting levels of violence isn't it ? It just shows how seriously Macron is taking this as a severe threat to him remaining in office. The way the protests are continuing to escalate each week it would appear that the protestors are fully intent on ousting him. Frexit is now also firmly on the agenda. It's going to get a lot nastier before there is any resolution.
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France
Jan 21, 2019 19:57:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:57:41 GMT
Still according to the UK TV and newspapers everything is fine and rosy in la belle France ! Not a dicky bird about the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:16:35 GMT
My French friends have just sent me the following fairly lengthy extract from an article in "La Montagne" the Clermont-Ferrand daily newspaper : ____________________ Emmanuel Macron organized Monday a new seduction operation of foreign business leaders on the theme "Choose France" in full opposition to the social movement of "yellow vests" which, with its attendant violence, may have the opposite effect. 150 entrepreneurs gathered at the Château de Versailles, near Paris, including the biggest names in the digital economy such as Microsoft, Uber or Snapchat. "It is a pleasure to welcome you for the second consecutive year to talk about France, its current and future assets, our reforms and your current and future investment plans," said the head of the State in a message in English to the attention of his guests. President Macron, who is keen this year on the Davos Economic Forum, initiated this great global business raid in Versailles last year, shortly after his election, while he enjoyed an aura of "reformer" in France as abroad for its ambitious program to make his country more competitive and attractive. Since then, things have changed: the images of urban riots on the sidelines of demonstrations of "yellow vests" have gone around the world. "This is a completely new situation, and this time, Macron is alone and he has a lot of opposition," summarizes the economist Jean-Paul Betbeze. Last Saturday, for the tenth week in a row, 84,000 "yellow vests" have again demonstrated across France against the tax and social policy of Emmanuel Macron, without the initiatives of the President suggest an appeasement of this popular slump. "The reports on yellow vests are awful seen outside France," said Monday Leif Johansson, the chairman of the British pharmaceutical group AstraZeneca UK, but "I do not think it will change the way we do business here at the moment." At the beginning of 2018, the first edition of "Choose France" had announced nearly 3.5 billion euros of investments over several years, including 2 billion euros from the German SAP and 900 million Novartis. But since, "the attractiveness of the country has collapsed," warned Frédéric Sanchez, the international president of Medef, the employers' organization. "When you are in the United States, you have the impression that France is in civil war," he says. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) announced Monday a slight revision of its growth forecast for France, to 1.5% in 2019 (down 0.1 point from its estimate in October) "due to the negative impact of the protests ".
In 2017, growth had reached 2.2%. - Convince in spite of everything - But the government wants to be confident and ensures that the movement of "yellow vests", which has lasted more than two months, did not undermine the attractiveness of France, the second European country beneficiary of foreign investment, but only slightly in front of the United Kingdom, possibly weakened by the prospect of Brexit. In December, an annual barometer from the Business France Business Development Agency advised that France was the second "the most attractive in Europe" country, cited by 35% of the 602 foreign opinion leaders surveyed, behind Germany ( 41%) but only just ahead of the UK (34%) but only due to Brexit uncertainty. "Overall, the view that foreign executives have on the attractiveness of France remains positive and does not fundamentally question the progress made by the French attractiveness in the past 18 months," concludes the French Ministry of Finance.
"Today, no one told us he was giving up a facility in Paris because of the movement of yellow vests," said Robert Ophele AFP, president of the Autorité des marchés financiers (AMF). But "our interlocutors wonder about the consequences and the durability of the movement" social, nuance it. The repetition of the demonstrations, every Saturday before the end of year celebrations usually conducive to trade, has already resulted in a loss estimated at two billion euros in revenue, according to the Federation of Commerce. "We will have to sell the idea that France is back, and will be back again", adds - in English - the economist Betzebe, to convince that France is here and always there, ready to welcome the investors despite any private concerns." The yellow vests however seem determine to prove otherwise ! ____________________________
I thought it was well worth reading.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:24:11 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:24:11 GMT
The gilets jaunes have been out in large numbers in France again today. One of their leaders, Jérôme Rodrigues, has been injured after being hit in his right eye by a projectile thought to have been fired by the police. Latest report (in French) shows his injury and a video of the crowds. It's not calming down for little Manu is it ? link
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France
Jan 27, 2019 9:17:58 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 27, 2019 9:17:58 GMT
Any thoughts/ guesses on how this will end?
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France
Jan 27, 2019 14:03:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 14:03:59 GMT
I can't see the gilets jaunes just fading away - the numbers are staying relatively constant week after week, in fact it seems to be spreading and increasing in numbers rather than decreasing. The levels of violence from the police have definitely increased over the past few weeks. My friends in Clt-Fd say that the protests in the Auvergne and Haute Loire regions are on the increase. From what I'm being told the aim is to oust Macron due to the high cost of living, price increases, internal policies, his recent reinstatement of national service, and his determination to position France with Germany and to further integrate into the EU. As a result of Macron's proposed closer EU integration, and immigration also being a major factor (France is projected to overtake Germany as the highest population in Europe fairly soon), the secondary aim of the gilets jaunes is Frexit, and this is on the increase. This may be an accurate picture of the situation, or it may just be how my friends and their friends are feeling - my impression is that they are accurately telling me how the country feels right now - knowing them as I do I have no reason to doubt what they are saying. I can see this continuing and becoming ever more violent until either Macron goes or the police brutality is too severe and the gj's finally back down. Look at how the Spanish police squashed the Catalan independence uprising.
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Jan 27, 2019 14:43:31 GMT
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Post by musik on Jan 27, 2019 14:43:31 GMT
What is all this about? All the demonstrations? All the protests? All the violence?
I haven't followed it that much on the news. Is it about the Economy? Is it Unemployment? Is it about something else?
Job offers to the initial population in Europe will in the future continue to decline all over Europe, due to migration, new robot technology, rationalisation, and the fact "we" cannot afford to offer all people jobs no longer, just to produce useless services and products noone really needs. The Consumtion Societies will come to an end.
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France
Jan 27, 2019 16:08:52 GMT
Post by sharpy on Jan 27, 2019 16:08:52 GMT
There appears to be counter protests now by two groups, the red scarves and the blue vests. What could possibly go wrong ?
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Feb 2, 2019 18:57:26 GMT
Post by felonious on Feb 2, 2019 18:57:26 GMT
More protests now against State/ police brutality.
They shoot at the population with a weapon of war," he said. "Is that what France is like today? We just want to fill the fridge and we end up losing an eye."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47101435
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Feb 2, 2019 19:10:25 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 2, 2019 19:10:25 GMT
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Feb 2, 2019 19:25:44 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 2, 2019 19:25:44 GMT
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the protests, the French police do seem to come over as brutal ........I would have thought that the ordinary French citizen, even if not actively involved in the protests, would sympathise with the protesters. It seems to me that the only way forward is for Macron to go.
( apparently the protester did have a hammer in his hand...,..which nevertheless does not justify the brutality)
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Post by felonious on Feb 2, 2019 19:32:41 GMT
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the protests, the French police do seem to come over as brutal ........I would have thought that the ordinary French citizen, even if not actively involved in the protests, would sympathise with the protesters. It seems to me that the only way forward is for Macron to go. ( apparently the protester did have a hammer in his hand...,..which nevertheless does not justify the brutality) Is this the same EU that turned a blind eye to the thuggery in Catalonia when women were dragged out of polling booths by their hair? Then again it's not an institution that's overly concerned about the general public.
Any idea what Le Pen is saying or does she have to keep quiet otherwise it will be attributed to her?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 19:39:59 GMT
Spot on Big John. From what I've been told by my friends in Clermont-Fd the gilets jaunes were seen as just opportunist protestors to begin with but now that they are seen as having a genuine and legitimate cause. The first “yellow vest” demonstrations were held on Nov. 17 to contest fuel-tax rises, and have since evolved into a broader protest movement and anti-Macron uprising, together with a growing Frexit faction. Macron is allowing the police to resort to ever more brutal methods against the g-j's. Macro's popularity continues to decrease to ever lower levels of approval and he's now the most unpopular President ever, even lower than Francois Hollande.
The g-j's are seemingly determined to continue their protests wih the prime aim of ousting Macron. He appears to have the backing of the EU and as stated in your post, the EU are conveniently keeping quiet about the human rights abuse by one of it's favoured sons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 19:56:33 GMT
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the protests, the French police do seem to come over as brutal ........I would have thought that the ordinary French citizen, even if not actively involved in the protests, would sympathise with the protesters. It seems to me that the only way forward is for Macron to go. ( apparently the protester did have a hammer in his hand...,..which nevertheless does not justify the brutality) Is this the same EU that turned a blind eye to the thuggery in Catalonia when women were dragged out of polling booths by their hair? Then again it's not an institution that's overly concerned about the general public.
Any idea what Le Pen is saying or does she have to keep quiet otherwise it will be attributed to her?
Apparently at the end of January Le Pen’s party, were polling level with Emmanuel Macron’s La République En Marche, and were continuing to attract and support the gilets jaunes movement – originally against Macron's fuel-tax rises, but now primarily against his overall cost of living and immigration policies.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 7, 2019 18:42:39 GMT
It does seem to me that if this simple act was carried out on behalf of the government of any country in the " civilised" world that government and country would be universally condemned. And probably in the "uncivilised" world as well.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 7, 2019 20:35:46 GMT
It does seem to me that if this simple act was carried out on behalf of the government of any country in the " civilised" world that government and country would be universally condemned. And probably in the "uncivilised" world as well. The world needs to know what is happening in France And people want to remain Christ on a bike
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:33:36 GMT
It's disgraceful. No coverage (or very little) in the UK media - wonder why that is ? No condemnation in Europe with the EU conveniently looking the other way (just as they did in Catalunya) and no criticism of one of their favoured sons - wonder why that is ? Macron is a slimy ba*£_rd who is intent on ever closer union primarily with Germany but with the EU overall and many French don't want that. There's also his domestic policies and the cost of living which have proved to be somewhat "unpopular".
The whole thing stinks, numerous gilets jaunes have been killed, many have been injured, some quite seriously with eyes lost, broken limbs etc, and yet there is almost nothing in our media and it's just allowed to continue and get ever more brutal and not just in Paris but across France.
Don't these politicians understand that a section of their electorate have had enough of the current situation and will no longer just meekly sit and accept being fed whatever crap the politicians think they can get away with.
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Feb 8, 2019 15:00:02 GMT
Post by Northy on Feb 8, 2019 15:00:02 GMT
all those police thugs, if they are police do not have any numbers showing, shher state sponsored brutality.
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France
Feb 9, 2019 13:08:52 GMT
Post by henry on Feb 9, 2019 13:08:52 GMT
Live link to protest
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Feb 9, 2019 14:01:30 GMT
Post by raythesailor on Feb 9, 2019 14:01:30 GMT
As I promised a few weeks ago I did e mail BBC Newswatch and complained at the lack of coverage.
They acknowledged receipt (probably automatic). Since then NOTHING. It’s a disgrace.
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