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Post by scfconnor on Nov 26, 2018 8:15:54 GMT
Seen a couple of them are using double think logic where them not turning up in the stands/having fewer fans than the away team somehow "embarrasses" the away team.
Only in the land of contorted Port Vale "reasoning" ššš
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Post by Cast no shadow on Nov 26, 2018 9:13:56 GMT
Do they honestly believe themselves when they're saying, "it's obviously their biggest game of the season" and that we're "obsessed" or is it clearly to make them feel more comfortable about the situation?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 26, 2018 9:23:17 GMT
Iām pleased to have provoked a bit of debate. Last season I had a meeting with Tony Scholes about the FSF opposition to this format. He emphasised itās value to our young players. I donāt dispute that ( although I suspect itās a tad exaggerated). He also had the view that no under 21 side was likely to get to the final so it wouldnāt detract from that, a view shared by EFL officials. Iām not quite so sure about that but it seems an odd argument in favour of the format. If it did happen it certainly would detract from the final IMHO.
I loved the games against the Vale in the 90s. Great local derbies, with sell-out passionate support from both sets of fans. But this surely is not one of those. 300 home fans ? It will odd, certainly, with empty home stands. As Dr.Spock would have said ā A derby not but not as we know it, Jimā
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 26, 2018 9:32:41 GMT
Iām pleased to have provoked a bit of debate. Last season I had a meeting with Tony Scholes about the FSF opposition to this format. He emphasised itās value to our young players. I donāt dispute that ( although I suspect itās a tad exaggerated). He also had the view that no under 21 side was likely to get to the final so it wouldnāt detract from that, a view shared by EFL officials. Iām not quite so sure about that but it seems an odd argument in favour of the format. If it did happen it certainly would detract from the final IMHO. I loved the games against the Vale in the 90s. Great local derbies, with sell-out passionate support from both sets of fans. But this surely is not one of those. 300 home fans ? It will odd, certainly, with empty home stands. As Dr.Spock would have said ā A derby not but not as we know it, Jimā You mean Mr Spock Malcolm. Dr Spock was a paediatrician.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 26, 2018 9:49:42 GMT
Iām pleased to have provoked a bit of debate. Last season I had a meeting with Tony Scholes about the FSF opposition to this format. He emphasised itās value to our young players. I donāt dispute that ( although I suspect itās a tad exaggerated). He also had the view that no under 21 side was likely to get to the final so it wouldnāt detract from that, a view shared by EFL officials. Iām not quite so sure about that but it seems an odd argument in favour of the format. If it did happen it certainly would detract from the final IMHO. I loved the games against the Vale in the 90s. Great local derbies, with sell-out passionate support from both sets of fans. But this surely is not one of those. 300 home fans ? It will odd, certainly, with empty home stands. As Dr.Spock would have said ā A derby not but not as we know it, Jimā Well thatās a big statement to make, that WILL embarrass them WHEN an U21 side makes it all the way.
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Post by mattyd on Nov 26, 2018 10:01:12 GMT
Iām pleased to have provoked a bit of debate. Last season I had a meeting with Tony Scholes about the FSF opposition to this format. He emphasised itās value to our young players. I donāt dispute that ( although I suspect itās a tad exaggerated). He also had the view that no under 21 side was likely to get to the final so it wouldnāt detract from that, a view shared by EFL officials. Iām not quite so sure about that but it seems an odd argument in favour of the format. If it did happen it certainly would detract from the final IMHO. I loved the games against the Vale in the 90s. Great local derbies, with sell-out passionate support from both sets of fans. But this surely is not one of those. 300 home fans ? It will odd, certainly, with empty home stands. As Dr.Spock would have said ā A derby not but not as we know it, Jimā You mean Mr Spock Malcolm. Dr Spock was a paediatrician. Did Dr Spock have an interest in the U18's I wonder.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 26, 2018 10:23:27 GMT
To say our youngsters will probably get beaten by the older pros from the vale the way our first team are performing I think that they would give them a game. Our first team would genuinely struggle to beat a lot of the teams in this competition, which in itself makes a mockery of our 21s being in it. I'm very relieved our first team isn't in it given our record against the soap dodgers.
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 26, 2018 10:24:58 GMT
You mean Mr Spock Malcolm. Dr Spock was a paediatrician. Did Dr Spock have an interest in the U18's I wonder. no but Dr Gradi did
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Post by boothenender on Nov 26, 2018 10:29:01 GMT
It has just been confirmed that Putrid Vile have decided not to give visiting Stoke City fans tickets for the Railway Stand. Smurf could have made some serious money out of this game. I see it as an opportunity missed. Can see a lot of Stokies going in to the Lorne Street or Bycars End now. Vile fans have neen up.in arms about Smirf giving up their Railway Stand. I can not personally see what their problem is with Stoke taking over this stand, most of the fuckers are boycotting this game, just the same as they boycott every other game. Their site has gone to over 30+ plus pages on this subject, not bad for a competition that no one cares about.
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Post by mrred on Nov 26, 2018 10:33:45 GMT
Is the excitement for this fixture born out of the fact that we've had a fucking dreadful 3 years? I was a kid for most of the derbies in the 90's and early 00's but always loved the buzz it created around the city, and just how electric the atmosphere was, whether it was at the Vic, Vale Park or the Brit. But this isn't it. There will be a handful of Vale fans in Lorne Street and that's about it.
Seeing our lot take up the Railway Paddock would be something special though. Something I'd never thought I'd see back in the day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 11:03:42 GMT
It has just been confirmed that Putrid Vile have decided not to give visiting Stoke City fans tickets for the Railway Stand. Smurf could have made some serious money out of this game. I see it as an opportunity missed. Can see a lot of Stokies going in to the Lorne Street or Bycars End now. Vile fans have neen up.in arms about Smirf giving up their Railway Stand. I can not personally see what their problem is with Stoke taking over this stand, most of the fuckers are boycotting this game, just the same as they boycott every other game. Their site has gone to over 30+ plus pages on this subject, not bad for a competition that no one cares about. Where has this been confirmed mate?
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Post by werrington on Nov 26, 2018 11:27:17 GMT
It has just been confirmed that Putrid Vile have decided not to give visiting Stoke City fans tickets for the Railway Stand. Smurf could have made some serious money out of this game. I see it as an opportunity missed. Can see a lot of Stokies going in to the Lorne Street or Bycars End now. Vile fans have neen up.in arms about Smirf giving up their Railway Stand. I can not personally see what their problem is with Stoke taking over this stand, most of the fuckers are boycotting this game, just the same as they boycott every other game. Their site has gone to over 30+ plus pages on this subject, not bad for a competition that no one cares about. Where has this been confirmed mate? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/port-vale-stoke-city-tickets-2258868
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Post by boothenender on Nov 26, 2018 11:31:56 GMT
It has just been confirmed that Putrid Vile have decided not to give visiting Stoke City fans tickets for the Railway Stand. Smurf could have made some serious money out of this game. I see it as an opportunity missed. Can see a lot of Stokies going in to the Lorne Street or Bycars End now. Vile fans have neen up.in arms about Smirf giving up their Railway Stand. I can not personally see what their problem is with Stoke taking over this stand, most of the fuckers are boycotting this game, just the same as they boycott every other game. Their site has gone to over 30+ plus pages on this subject, not bad for a competition that no one cares about. Where has this been confirmed mate? It has been confirmed in the Sentinel and on their club site. I can understand why Putrid Vile fans are angry about this, it is their "turf". I can remember going to watch Villa v Rangers years a go at Villa Park. Rangers where given the Holte End that day. This was done to allow the WMP to contain the Rangers fans that day. I think that Stoke fans will now purchase tickets for other parts of the unfinished building site and segregation will be impossible due to all of us coming from the same City and having the same accent. The Police should be able to spot the difference by employing sniffers at the turnstiles. Vile have really mucked this up, it was a chance to fill their pockets with much needed cash to help them carry on scratching a survival in the lower leagues. In the near future when they do fold they will only have themselves to blame. Small time club with small time ambitions.
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Post by Club1863 on Nov 26, 2018 11:36:07 GMT
Those who are going and want a trouble free pint before or after the game head over to the white hart in smallthorne plenty of street parking behind the pub, pool table in the back recently renovated with sky sports on. Used to be the barrel.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Nov 26, 2018 11:37:10 GMT
Listening to the pricks you'd think that shit tip they call The Paddock is up there with The Kop, The Kippax, Stretford End etc The fact they use a boycott as a sorry excuse for shit support then have a pissy when there is talk of Stoke getting more tickets is laughable. I heard a great one earlier that if Stoke get the paddock then the mighty VLF will be purchasing tickets in the paddock from Stoke...... boycott over then?
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Post by werrington on Nov 26, 2018 11:38:45 GMT
Where has this been confirmed mate? It has been confirmed in the Sentinel and on their club site. I can understand why Putrid Vile fans are angry about this, it is their "turf". I can remember going to watch Villa v Rangers years a go at Villa Park. Rangers where given the Holte End that day. This was done to allow the WMP to contain the Rangers fans that day. I think that Stoke fans will now purchase tickets for other parts of the unfinished building site and segregation will be impossible due to all of us coming from the same City and having the same accent. The Police should be able to spot the difference by employing sniffers at the turnstiles. Vile have really mucked this up, it was a chance to fill their pockets with much needed cash to help them carry on scratching a survival in the lower leagues. In the near future when they do fold they will only have themselves to blame. Small time club with small time ambitions. The trouble with Vale fans is theyāve always got a reason not to attend ( this time they can be cut some slack ) but even the league games at VP weāre poorly attended by them ( look at the crowds )they blamed Stoke hooligans back then totally unaware or not seeing their large hooligan element Theyāve killed the potteries derby for themselves, in no other derby fixture in Britain would you get one set of fans who continually come up with excuses not to attend Smurthwaite is a clown but heās the chairman, the club desperately needs cash to keep afloat and they are stopping him from getting a vast amount of a cash injection Theyāll be asking about the transfer kitty next
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Post by boothenender on Nov 26, 2018 11:45:26 GMT
You are correct. Vile fans only came to Stoke for the first or second derby games. After that they where always moaning about not being given any concessions.... What concessions where we offered ???. Like you said in previous post. Always looking for excuse to excuse themselves. The words " bitter wankers" springs to mind.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Nov 26, 2018 11:49:44 GMT
Vale saying they will only sell to st holders and fans on their database so no stokies will get in bycars will not be open at all i don't think. All rhen seats wasted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 11:57:57 GMT
Saw both these articles this morning - doesnāt say Stoke wonāt get extra tickets, just says under consulation. Smurf tweeted a few hours ago saying heāll make a statement later today. Seen nothing since.
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Post by Scouse on Nov 26, 2018 12:00:40 GMT
Iām pleased to have provoked a bit of debate. Last season I had a meeting with Tony Scholes about the FSF opposition to this format. He emphasised itās value to our young players. I donāt dispute that ( although I suspect itās a tad exaggerated). He also had the view that no under 21 side was likely to get to the final so it wouldnāt detract from that, a view shared by EFL officials. Iām not quite so sure about that but it seems an odd argument in favour of the format. If it did happen it certainly would detract from the final IMHO. I loved the games against the Vale in the 90s. Great local derbies, with sell-out passionate support from both sets of fans. But this surely is not one of those. 300 home fans ? It will odd, certainly, with empty home stands. As Dr.Spock would have said ā A derby not but not as we know it, Jimā Malcolm Im sure youāre aware , Lincoln City saved everyoneās blushes and the acid test last season , beating Chelsea in the Semi Final 4-2 on penalties , after drawing 1-1 ... those devilish imps them If it happened and an āinvitedā club did reach the final , do you know what , if anything, would happen to their first team fixture the weekend of the final ....would it be postponed? .. Believe itās due to be played Sunday 31st March ..we play Sheff Wed on the Saturday Would any postponement be the same for a Premiership and Championship invited club Edit: To make it clear , not for one moment saying weāll reach the final , though personally I wouldnāt rock up at any final without having put the miles in earlier ... more the principle , if we or any invited club does , what will happen ...as of course by default a L1&2 club reaching the final obviously has their fixture that weekend postponed
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 26, 2018 12:02:31 GMT
This is all very messy.
Let's be truthful most our lot are going simply for a public humiliation of them. Take Burslem and take the ground.
I've previously been accused of being a Vale fan simply for saying this competition is a joke. The invasion of Burslem may well be amusing and a great piss take.
Now not for one minute am I comparing their shitty paddock with the Boothen End but folk of a certain age may remember Everton and Man City having the Stoke end and Butler paddock. Imagine if we'd given them another end on top, I can't say on this occasion I blame them , if it kicks off it's on their heads.
We are pissing our pants , from their perspective the draw is a disaster
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Nov 26, 2018 12:13:15 GMT
This is all very messy. Let's be truthful most our lot are going simply for a public humiliation of them. Take Burslem and take the ground. I've previously been accused of being a Vale fan simply for saying this competition is a joke. The invasion of Burslem may well be amusing and a great piss take. Now not for one minute am I comparing their shitty paddock with the Boothen End but folk of a certain age may remember Everton and Man City having the Stoke end and Butler paddock. Imagine if we'd given them another end on top, I can't say on this occasion I blame them , if it kicks off it's on their heads. We are pissing our pants , from their perspective the draw is a disaster Remembered both esp man city having all the stoke end and all the butler st seats and paddock with their imflatables wasn't there about 14.000 in total?
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Post by lordb on Nov 26, 2018 12:17:13 GMT
This is all very messy. Let's be truthful most our lot are going simply for a public humiliation of them. Take Burslem and take the ground. I've previously been accused of being a Vale fan simply for saying this competition is a joke. The invasion of Burslem may well be amusing and a great piss take. Now not for one minute am I comparing their shitty paddock with the Boothen End but folk of a certain age may remember Everton and Man City having the Stoke end and Butler paddock. Imagine if we'd given them another end on top, I can't say on this occasion I blame them , if it kicks off it's on their heads. We are pissing our pants , from their perspective the draw is a disaster Remembered both esp man city having all the stoke end and all the butler st seats and paddock with their imflatables wasn't there about 14.000 in total? yup Everton had two stands & part of the main stand in 1985 when they were chasing the title Not giving Stoke the Railway Stand (ore even just part of it)is simply stupid.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Nov 26, 2018 12:23:29 GMT
For a club of viles size now who's ground is obviously too big for their needs now as they never get anywhere near filling it even for "big" games fa cup etc for the fans to crib and the chairman change his plans and not make some much needed Ā£Ā£Ā£ it's like the tail wagging the dog.
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Post by tpholloway1 on Nov 26, 2018 13:59:21 GMT
I wonder what Smurf would do if we sent all the tickets back and told them we were boycotting the ground (in solidarity with the unwashed (smiley thing)) The thought of losing all that money would send him over the edge.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 26, 2018 14:03:36 GMT
It has just been confirmed that Putrid Vile have decided not to give visiting Stoke City fans tickets for the Railway Stand. Smurf could have made some serious money out of this game. I see it as an opportunity missed. Can see a lot of Stokies going in to the Lorne Street or Bycars End now. Vile fans have neen up.in arms about Smirf giving up their Railway Stand. I can not personally see what their problem is with Stoke taking over this stand, most of the fuckers are boycotting this game, just the same as they boycott every other game. Their site has gone to over 30+ plus pages on this subject, not bad for a competition that no one cares about. Why are they moaning about our allocation? The smelly fuckers aren't even going. It's just an opportunity to buy seats in the rest of the ground (building site excepted š¤£). EDIT: will the police be sniffing for deodrant so they can tell the Stokies apart? It's the only way surely?
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Post by paul59 on Nov 26, 2018 14:11:05 GMT
Canāt wait to take the piss out off vale fans that Stoke fans had to buy tickets to help save the vale!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 26, 2018 14:21:38 GMT
Where has this been confirmed mate? It has been confirmed in the Sentinel and on their club site. I can understand why Putrid Vile fans are angry about this, it is their "turf". I can remember going to watch Villa v Rangers years a go at Villa Park. Rangers where given the Holte End that day. This was done to allow the WMP to contain the Rangers fans that day. I think that Stoke fans will now purchase tickets for other parts of the unfinished building site and segregation will be impossible due to all of us coming from the same City and having the same accent. The Police should be able to spot the difference by employing sniffers at the turnstiles. Vile have really mucked this up, it was a chance to fill their pockets with much needed cash to help them carry on scratching a survival in the lower leagues. In the near future when they do fold they will only have themselves to blame. Small time club with small time ambitions. If they gave us another stand that'd only have a stand and a half for themselves. "Is that all you take at home?"
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Post by flea79 on Nov 26, 2018 15:42:57 GMT
tbh as funny as it all is and the piss taking will be i wish they would come in numbers, some of these kids on both sides (mainly ours) will probably never make it at a top level in the game, some will never play on past 21, it would be great for them to play in front of a full house in a local derby and a memory for them to treasure and possibly the biggest footballing day some of these kids will ever have
sorry to be philosophical about it
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Nov 26, 2018 15:59:55 GMT
tbh as funny as it all is and the piss taking will be i wish they would come in numbers, some of these kids on both sides (mainly ours) will probably never make it at a top level in the game, some will never play on past 21, it would be great for them to play in front of a full house in a local derby and a memory for them to treasure and possibly the biggest footballing day some of these kids will ever have sorry to be philosophical about it That would be all 4-5 thousand of them then š vale out in force.
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