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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2018 20:51:23 GMT
Just about sums up how I feel.
People will say it's a good point away from home but home and away we are setting up not to lose rather than to win.
They were absolutely shite yet once again we are indebted to butland and two simply stunning saves to get us a point and once again the substitutions made us worse.
I'm finding it desperately difficult to warm to rowett and his approach to guiding the most expensive squad in the league to a tilt at promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 20:55:23 GMT
I've backed him all the way so far but I'm finding it harder and harder by the week to defend him unfortunately.
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Post by proudstokie on Nov 10, 2018 20:59:40 GMT
Personally I think considering our bad start and our perceived upturn in results. Rowett has been desperate not to lose ground on the leaders whilst we’ve been on the run of fixtures since Norwich. I think in his mind if we can stop these teams extending their lead against us and perhaps nick a win, he fancies himself closing the gap when we get on a more favourable run of fixtures. Very Mourhino llike. Let’s see if it works.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2018 21:04:14 GMT
Personally I think considering our bad start and our perceived upturn in results. Rowett has been desperate not to lose ground on the leaders whilst we’ve been on the run of fixtures since Norwich. I think in his mind if we can stop these teams extending their lead against us and perhaps nick a win, he fancies himself closing the gap when we get on a more favourable run of fixtures. Very Mourhino llike. Let’s see if it works. Very pulis like |
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Nov 10, 2018 21:04:27 GMT
He's successfully lowered my expectations from being the pre-season favourites to thinking we should be thankful for any away point, and forgetting entirely that we were ever in the Premier League.
All in 4 months, a tremendous achievement.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 21:06:24 GMT
The team in all it's individual parts is capable of beating anyone in this league.
But we set up for 0-0's.
Why is that? Is Rowett not capable of setting them up to win or are they not playing how he wants them to?
The team is capable - play to fucking win!
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Post by proudstokie on Nov 10, 2018 21:07:14 GMT
Personally I think considering our bad start and our perceived upturn in results. Rowett has been desperate not to lose ground on the leaders whilst we’ve been on the run of fixtures since Norwich. I think in his mind if we can stop these teams extending their lead against us and perhaps nick a win, he fancies himself closing the gap when we get on a more favourable run of fixtures. Very Mourhino llike. Let’s see if it works. Very pulis like If we kick on in Feb like we did under Pulis when we got promoted I won’t be complaining. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2018 21:52:17 GMT
If we kick on in Feb like we did under Pulis when we got promoted I won’t be complaining. Call me miserable but it never felt like a promotion season and I think that was reflected by our crowds which didn't touch 20,000 until about 4 games from end of season. A record low tally for automatic promotion probably tells a story as well. I would much rather we play as we did at Rotherham and sheff wed than how we've done in any game since if I'm honest. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 10, 2018 21:56:06 GMT
If we kick on in Feb like we did under Pulis when we got promoted I won’t be complaining. Call me miserable but it never felt like a promotion season and I think that was reflected by our crowds which didn't touch 20,000 until about 4 games from end of season. A record low tally for automatic promotion probably tells a story as well. I would much rather we play as we did at Rotherham and sheff wed than how we've done in any game since if I'm honest. We couldn’t carry on conceding goals for fun like that though Dave.Yes we’ve gone the other way to an extent but he’s got to build a solid foundation for us to win games surely? What did you think to the Forest support around us today?I thought they were loud and very vocal especially with the Mist rolling in from the Trent |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 22:05:55 GMT
We're not testing the keeper often enough, home or away.
Our (shots on target) recently are:
Norwich (A) 0-1 (2)
Birmingham (H) 0-1 (3)
Sheff U (A) 1-1 (4)
Bristol C (A) 0-1 (3)
Boro (H) 0-0 (1)
Forest (A) 0-0 (2)
So, over the last 6 games we are averaging 2.5 shots on target per game.
You aren't scoring many and thus not winning many with stats like that, and given Afobe isn't missing many clear cut chances per game it pretty much tells it's own story. We've obviously tightened up at the back a bit, and some of that is down to an increase in form of Butland, but it's at a massive expense of our attacking threat.
Given what we've spent it isn't anywhere near good enough. It really isn't.
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Post by lordb on Nov 10, 2018 22:06:10 GMT
Call me miserable but it never felt like a promotion season and I think that was reflected by our crowds which didn't touch 20,000 until about 4 games from end of season. A record low tally for automatic promotion probably tells a story as well. I would much rather we play as we did at Rotherham and sheff wed than how we've done in any game since if I'm honest. We couldn’t carry on conceding goals for fun like that though Dave.Yes we’ve gone the other way to an extent but he’s got to build a solid foundation for us to win games surely? What did you think to the Forest support around us today?I thought they were loud and very vocal especially with the Must rolling in from the Trent Loud at times,quiet at others (especially first half) but given it was 0.0 no issues. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2018 22:10:08 GMT
Call me miserable but it never felt like a promotion season and I think that was reflected by our crowds which didn't touch 20,000 until about 4 games from end of season. A record low tally for automatic promotion probably tells a story as well. I would much rather we play as we did at Rotherham and sheff wed than how we've done in any game since if I'm honest. We couldn’t carry on conceding goals for fun like that though Dave.Yes we’ve gone the other way to an extent but he’s got to build a solid foundation for us to win games surely? What did you think to the Forest support around us today?I thought they were loud and very vocal especially with the Must rolling in from the Trent Enjoyed it mate but I got the impression that both sets of supporters felt that the game was there for the taking but that Gary pulis (on our side) and aitor pulis (on theirs) were both too scared to risk losing. We leave thinking they are shite and they probably left thinking we were. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2018 22:11:20 GMT
We couldn’t carry on conceding goals for fun like that though Dave.Yes we’ve gone the other way to an extent but he’s got to build a solid foundation for us to win games surely? What did you think to the Forest support around us today?I thought they were loud and very vocal especially with the Must rolling in from the Trent Loud at times,quiet at others (especially first half) but given it was 0.0 no issues. You seen enough evidence yet? |
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 10, 2018 22:14:15 GMT
He's successfully lowered my expectations from being the pre-season favourites to thinking we should be thankful for any away point, and forgetting entirely that we were ever in the Premier League. All in 4 months, a tremendous achievement. After last season you considered us to be pre season favourites? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 10, 2018 22:14:49 GMT
We couldn’t carry on conceding goals for fun like that though Dave.Yes we’ve gone the other way to an extent but he’s got to build a solid foundation for us to win games surely? What did you think to the Forest support around us today?I thought they were loud and very vocal especially with the Must rolling in from the Trent Enjoyed it mate but I got the impression that both sets of supporters felt that the game was there for the taking but that Gary pulis (on our side) and aitor pulis (on theirs) were both too scared to risk losing. We leave thinking they are shite and they probably left thinking we were. I disagree on that mate because for me the longer the game went on both teams tried to win it.Yes it lacked quality at times but give me the championship everyday of the week |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2018 22:17:40 GMT
Enjoyed it mate but I got the impression that both sets of supporters felt that the game was there for the taking but that Gary pulis (on our side) and aitor pulis (on theirs) were both too scared to risk losing. We leave thinking they are shite and they probably left thinking we were. I disagree on that mate because for me the longer the game went on both teams tried to win it.Yes it lacked quality at times but give me the championship everyday of the week No arguments from me there. Hopefully we'll win every game to the end of the season, win the league but be refused access to the premier league because our ground is too windy or something. Another super away day. |
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 10, 2018 22:21:23 GMT
I'm amazed we are not that far off the pace consisdering our abysmal start. A decent run and we will be in the mix, hopefully later in the season will do me fine, there's always a couple of teams that drop off the pace and a couple that find themselves in the mix.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 10, 2018 22:22:38 GMT
He's successfully lowered my expectations from being the pre-season favourites to thinking we should be thankful for any away point, and forgetting entirely that we were ever in the Premier League. All in 4 months, a tremendous achievement. It really is and to be fair he's succeeded where Tone failed in terms of "managing expectations". GR has successfully turned Stoke fans into a group of people who no longer have any expectation of anything at all. Bravo Gary! As you say, it's a hell of an achievement in such a short space of time. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 10, 2018 22:34:57 GMT
Just about sums up how I feel. People will say it's a good point away from home but home and away we are setting up not to lose rather than to win. They were absolutely shite yet once again we are indebted to butland and two simply stunning saves to get us a point and once again the substitutions made us worse. I'm finding it desperately difficult to warm to rowett and his approach to guiding the most expensive squad in the league to a tilt at promotion. imho we're STILL a squad recovering from Hughes losing his way and leaving players in mid-air, Lambo trying unsuccessfully to rally them and Rowett beginning this season expecting them to be in very much better shape than they really were. It's going to take longer than this to fix. It just is. Yes Gary's lowered our expectations, and his own I strongly suspect. I can't see any other way anyone can make this work right now. This is what rebuilding feels like. If we keep going in this direction, by the business end of the season yes we should be looking to take the game to sides like Forest away. But we have to trust ourselves to do the basics first, otherwise we'll just be as tragically flakey as Sparky left us. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2018 22:38:44 GMT
Just about sums up how I feel. People will say it's a good point away from home but home and away we are setting up not to lose rather than to win. They were absolutely shite yet once again we are indebted to butland and two simply stunning saves to get us a point and once again the substitutions made us worse. I'm finding it desperately difficult to warm to rowett and his approach to guiding the most expensive squad in the league to a tilt at promotion. imho we're STILL a squad recovering from Hughes losing his way and leaving players in mid-air, Lambo trying unsuccessfully to rally them and Rowett beginning this season expecting them to be in very much better shape than they really were. It's going to take longer than this to fix. It just is. Yes Gary's lowered our expectations, and his own I strongly suspect. I can't see any other way anyone can make this work right now. This is what rebuilding feels like. If we keep going in this direction, by the business end of the season yes we should be looking to take the game to sides like Forest away. But we have to trust ourselves to do the basics first, otherwise we'll just be as tragically flakey as Sparky left us. He'll have to rebuild again next season because we are operating like a premier league club in the championship. Next season we won't be and it will be overhaul and more of the same again |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Nov 10, 2018 22:40:37 GMT
Take the positives boys, another point towards safety.
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Post by kjpt140v on Nov 10, 2018 23:06:11 GMT
If we kick on in Feb like we did under Pulis when we got promoted I won’t be complaining. Call me miserable but it never felt like a promotion season and I think that was reflected by our crowds which didn't touch 20,000 until about 4 games from end of season. A record low tally for automatic promotion probably tells a story as well. I would much rather we play as we did at Rotherham and sheff wed than how we've done in any game since if I'm honest. What a bunch of miserable people we have on here |
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Post by cdlstoke on Nov 10, 2018 23:24:29 GMT
Having had a season ticket for many years before 2008 and carried on through the prem years. If Rowett remains I’ve already decided not to renew are four. I can put up with poor football when we had no money but when we’ve spent money and play negative footballl, enough is enough. Coates wants shooting employing this clown. This bollocks we’re rebuilding. Most decent managers would of got a tune out of this lot plus the money that’s been spent. Maclean signing says it all. Poor mans jon Walters they say? He couldn’t lace his boots.( and I’m not a Walters fan)
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Post by kustokie on Nov 10, 2018 23:31:14 GMT
He's successfully lowered my expectations from being the pre-season favourites to thinking we should be thankful for any away point, and forgetting entirely that we were ever in the Premier League. All in 4 months, a tremendous achievement. After last season you considered us to be pre season favourites? We were the bookies’ 7-2 preseason favorite. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 23:32:44 GMT
Just about sums up how I feel. People will say it's a good point away from home but home and away we are setting up not to lose rather than to win. They were absolutely shite yet once again we are indebted to butland and two simply stunning saves to get us a point and once again the substitutions made us worse. I'm finding it desperately difficult to warm to rowett and his approach to guiding the most expensive squad in the league to a tilt at promotion. imho we're STILL a squad recovering from Hughes losing his way and leaving players in mid-air, Lambo trying unsuccessfully to rally them and Rowett beginning this season expecting them to be in very much better shape than they really were. It's going to take longer than this to fix. It just is. Yes Gary's lowered our expectations, and his own I strongly suspect. I can't see any other way anyone can make this work right now. This is what rebuilding feels like. If we keep going in this direction, by the business end of the season yes we should be looking to take the game to sides like Forest away. But we have to trust ourselves to do the basics first, otherwise we'll just be as tragically flakey as Sparky left us. But with a lot of the same players in a lower league, getting spanked by blackburn and wigan etc... If that's rebuilding then Rowett's a bit of a mug after his pre match comments at leeds. |
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Post by TexasPotter on Nov 11, 2018 5:29:13 GMT
I've backed him all the way so far but I'm finding it harder and harder by the week to defend him unfortunately. I applaud you to be honest, three weeks in I was done with him. Starting Fletcher and subbing in Adam. |
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Post by fca47 on Nov 11, 2018 8:32:27 GMT
Can't see him getting anyone promoted, there is no way any team managed by him will win enough games, whatever you thought of TP's football he had a way to win games, long throw, set pieces etc. , but Rowett has no focus, we don't know what we are and neither do the players.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 11, 2018 8:43:37 GMT
He's successfully lowered my expectations from being the pre-season favourites to thinking we should be thankful for any away point, and forgetting entirely that we were ever in the Premier League. All in 4 months, a tremendous achievement. It really is and to be fair he's succeeded where Tone failed in terms of "managing expectations". GR has successfully turned Stoke fans into a group of people who no longer have any expectation of anything at all. Bravo Gary! As you say, it's a hell of an achievement in such a short space of time. This. I was speaking to a Forest supporting friend yesterday who watched the game, and he said it would be 0-0 as karanka sets up not to lose and gormless gary does exactly the same. This stoke side have the potential in this league to be a decent side, GG is shit scared of his own shadow to let them do that. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 11, 2018 9:10:54 GMT
I don't get to as much football as I used so I'm not spending my hard earned to watch it so its easy fir me to say I dont think the situation is that bad. Mind, anyone who had us as comfortable pre season favourites was crackers.
I dont know what happened with recruitment but the main problem is a lack quality at the back and until we can strengthen there he's pretty much playing the right game. Thankfully Butland, the defence and to an extent the whole team, seem to be gaining in confidence from not losing and leaking goals.
Ryan is not going to regain any pace. We need to get to January "in touch" so we can make a few decent signings.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 11, 2018 9:18:57 GMT
Personally I think considering our bad start and our perceived upturn in results. Rowett has been desperate not to lose ground on the leaders whilst we’ve been on the run of fixtures since Norwich. I think in his mind if we can stop these teams extending their lead against us and perhaps nick a win, he fancies himself closing the gap when we get on a more favourable run of fixtures. Very Mourhino llike. Let’s see if it works. Very pulis like Very boring like 😇 |
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