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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 3, 2018 23:46:16 GMT
I really don't get the hostility about today, thought Gary did absolutely fine. We don't have the quality and fluency (yet, except on a good day) to play a TP side off the park but we took them on at their own game pretty effectively. Good set-up, mixed it up as the game changed somewhat - I just think don't confuse a not brilliant game of football with bad management. Two months ago we were well capable of losing a game like that 2 or 3-0. As it is, a totally acceptable point against promotion faves.
7* from me.
* if you were there please
(sorry this is late, blame Betley Bonfire)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 23:51:57 GMT
4.
It’s becoming a real chore going. Slow, boring, mind Numbing, tippy tap crap. Probably 70% possession which the majority was spent going sidewards and backwards. Again no idea how to even apply educated pressure to a team that came set up to just try and sporadically hit us on the break.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 3, 2018 23:53:41 GMT
6*
Totally baffled why he took berahino off and left the ineffective Ince on.
Subs were 15 minutes too late as well.
On the plus side thought Edwards was the MOTM.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 0:04:35 GMT
Q: I really don't get the hostility about today, A: We don't have the quality and fluency (yet, except on a good day) to play a TP side off the park but we took them on at their own game pretty effectively. They played midweek, everyone knew what was coming a year off, we're the home side, we have fresher players, we've outspent them by god knows how much and we still come out with a 0-0. More worryingly still is this idea that we should somehow be grateful for a point. We should be twatting these on the day all things considered, and because we came away with 1 point instead of 3, given the absolute lack of cutting edge we showed in attack(I havent looked at the stats but I can only remember one shot on target) it should worry or anger or at least concern people. Pulis was always going to go with big lads to try and out physical us hence Shawcross. I wouldve done the same. (EDIT) We ended up playing them at their game all the way through because we have no semblance of our own Identity and that is just pathetic at this stage. Pretty solid starting line up. I'd take berahino off in future for Bobo playing behind afobe, or Berahino behind Afobe with a proper left winger I don't see any effect from this wide 3 up top it doesn't work. Rowetts plan? Pump long balls up to Afobe and mince about with it in midfield. The changes needed to come much much earlier and by the time they came they were too late anyway. So let's look at it one of two ways. 1. I'm wrong today was really good and we should be happy with a point. 2. We shouldve spanked these and we didn't either because Rowett put the wrong players out, Rowett set them up incorrectly, Or he's incapable of getting that group of players to do what he wants of them. 5* From me. + points for adapting, Some good inclusions in terms of names. - points, Terrible set up of those names, Afobe in that role hasnt worked for 3 games, you're just flogging a dead horse persisting with it. Subs too late. Poor result considering. No Stoke Identity. |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Nov 4, 2018 0:41:36 GMT
4*
Rowett v Tony (It’s like watching paint dry) Pulis..... 0-0..... So predictable.
Thank god that fixture is over with for the season, I’d rather go shoe shopping with my GF than sit through that bollocks again!
Subs > 10 mins?.... Did you watch the first 80 mins Gary? 😕
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 4, 2018 1:28:48 GMT
Q: I really don't get the hostility about today, A: We don't have the quality and fluency (yet, except on a good day) to play a TP side off the park but we took them on at their own game pretty effectively. They played midweek, everyone knew what was coming a year off, we're the home side, we have fresher players, we've outspent them by god knows how much and we still come out with a 0-0. More worryingly still is this idea that we should somehow be grateful for a point. We should be twatting these on the day all things considered, and because we came away with 1 point instead of 3, given the absolute lack of cutting edge we showed in attack(I havent looked at the stats but I can only remember one shot on target) it should worry or anger or at least concern people. Pulis was always going to go with big lads to try and out physical us hence Shawcross. I wouldve done the same. (EDIT) We ended up playing them at their game all the way through because we have no semblance of our own Identity and that is just pathetic at this stage. Pretty solid starting line up. I'd take berahino off in future for Bobo playing behind afobe, or Berahino behind Afobe with a proper left winger I don't see any effect from this wide 3 up top it doesn't work. Rowetts plan? Pump long balls up to Afobe and mince about with it in midfield. The changes needed to come much much earlier and by the time they came they were too late anyway. So let's look at it one of two ways. 1. I'm wrong today was really good and we should be happy with a point. 2. We shouldve spanked these and we didn't either because Rowett put the wrong players out, Rowett set them up incorrectly, Or he's incapable of getting that group of players to do what he wants of them. 5* From me. + points for adapting, Some good inclusions in terms of names. - points, Terrible set up of those names, Afobe in that role hasnt worked for 3 games, you're just flogging a dead horse persisting with it. Subs too late. Poor result considering. No Stoke Identity. A lot there I agree with, the difference is I think we've had a higher mountain to climb - if we can keep on rebuilding the way we are then I'd love to think by New Year we'd have the self-belief to feel we ought to twat sides like Boro. Right now we just don't have that conviction in the squad and I feel like Gary is dealing intelligently with that situation. As ever I may be wrong (!), as ever time will tell... |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 4, 2018 2:34:18 GMT
6* was a bit shocked that he didn’t start McClean, we seem to be better defensively but poorer offensively, it’s like a Lambert deja vu
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 4, 2018 4:49:11 GMT
6
I thought the starting XI was correct. I felt we had some moments of quality going forward, but Edwards and BMI were sending in a bunch of crap balls that would end our push
The subs were fine, but 15’ too late
Personally I’m not a fan of GR, but Ryan, Williams and BMI are so bad it’s a miracle we’re getting these clean sheets so he’s doing something right. It’s the worst backline ever assembled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 5:54:03 GMT
4.
Slow, ponderous dirge that is really starting to grate. For the money invested it's nowhere near good enough.
81 minutes to make a sub and when you get it it's three at once to kill the side stone dead?
Schoolboy stuff.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 4, 2018 6:10:14 GMT
2. Frit of his own shadow.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 4, 2018 6:14:02 GMT
6* Totally baffled why he took berahino off and left the ineffective Ince on. Subs were 15 minutes too late as well. On the plus side thought Edwards was the MOTM. Me too , berahino was having a decent mgame |
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Post by DodgyDino on Nov 4, 2018 6:27:00 GMT
5* at best
Totally devoid of any idea in the final third.
3 subs with less than 10 mins to go when things clearly needed changing a lot earlier.
No creativity in midfield.
Bringing on McLean was never going to be a good idea.
Rowetts got a lot to learn.... just hope he learns quickly.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 4, 2018 7:36:40 GMT
Got starting 11 about right for me - we played ok, enjoyed good levels of possession but lacked the cutting edge - which he can't do much about until New Year and some new blood perhaps. Loses points for far too late subs - a triple always looks a bit desparate (and I guess we were by that point). Had it been anyone other than Pulis and it was a.n.other side recently top of the table then a point following 3 at Bristol may have been acceptable. But this is the capped one - we owe him one, several actually BUT we still have this hoodoo - 7 * for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 7:41:28 GMT
8 nowt to moan about
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 8:17:44 GMT
6 I thought the starting XI was correct. I felt we had some moments of quality going forward, but Edwards and BMI were sending in a bunch of crap balls that would end our push The subs were fine, but 15’ too late Personally I’m not a fan of GR, but Ryan, Williams and BMI are so bad it’s a miracle we’re getting these clean sheets so he’s doing something right. It’s the worst backline ever assembled. Williams and BMI were solid all game, they both played very well. Shawcross looked as he has all season. 7 from me Gary, the right lineup but needed to change things earlier. Crouch killed any attacking threat we had, I’d have kept Berahino on. Happy with a point though. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 4, 2018 8:32:56 GMT
6* Totally baffled why he took berahino off and left the ineffective Ince on. Subs were 15 minutes too late as well. On the plus side thought Edwards was the MOTM. My thoughts exactly. It is the subs business that really annoys me. If you expect your subs to give you a chance of getting a result then surely 20 minutes gives them a better chance of doing it than 10 minutes.  6 from me. EDIT: One improvement in Rowett's tactics was to leave Edwards on when he brought Crouch on as sub. On some occasions in the past Edwards has been off the pitch when Crouch came on - this is daft as Edwards is the one player who can consistently put in the crosses that Crouch thrives on. |
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Post by wuzza on Nov 4, 2018 8:37:58 GMT
4.
Very clear indicator of our limited abilities - both on the playing and managerial front.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 4, 2018 9:01:13 GMT
2
He cannot get the balance right between attack and defence. He's dropped the team back 20 yards now we can't score a goal.
For the money spent and the fanfare of his arrival with an entourage of coaches it simply is not good enough.
His transfers have been nothing short of shocking.
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Post by stokierich on Nov 4, 2018 9:03:37 GMT
2.
1 shot on target at home!
Had no intention of trying to win that game, easy nights work for Pulis.
Subs 20 minutes to late.
30 Million spent on attacking players and we still look so toothless in the final 3rd.
Plodding along to a mid table finish with him in charge.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 4, 2018 9:04:04 GMT
4 - at least we didn't lose, but we never looked like winning and but for a great save by Butland , would have lost. He just lacks any ambition to win at home, we are heading for midtable obscurity.
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Nov 4, 2018 9:59:37 GMT
Not entitled to ‘rate’ GR, as watched on tv from afar.
But reading these comments you’d have thought we lost, turn the clock back and we know how difficult a well organised TP team is to beat and in this league they would have been top with a win...
That said, substitutions far too late, although starting lineup was good, special word for Tom Edwards, they weren’t crap crosses, our players not good enough to get to them ... were getting better and play off positions won’t be far away after Xmas, still fancy us to return..
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 4, 2018 10:50:53 GMT
It's a 6 from me. Earlier in the season we were a complete shambles and so dire that we looked relegation material. We've now reached the stage where we can match Pulis's mind-numbing shit and are difficult to beat. I give him an extra point for not playing that 'Proud Fenian' who is so dire that he should go and play for Clonakilty Athletic, but I deduct him a point for playing Afobe as a lone striker (again and again and again)... a position he is as useless at as the 'Proud Fenian' is at playing cultured nogger.
I didn't go because I have a bad cold. *At the moment I'd rather sniff Vick than watch the stuff he serves up at home games.
*Be my guest with that double entendre.
OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 4, 2018 10:54:03 GMT
We've now reached the stage where we can match Pulis's mind-numbing shit a We're a 'Pulis mind numbing shit' tribute act and not a very good one |
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 4, 2018 11:00:55 GMT
We've now reached the stage where we can match Pulis's mind-numbing shit a We're a 'Pulis mind numbing shit' tribute act and not a very good one Agreed. We don't cheat enough for his modern day mind-numbing antics. I want Bossie back.  OS. |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 4, 2018 11:03:09 GMT
3.
Boro had a weakened side out and still created more than us, we relied on Jack again.
I'm quite confident that had Assombalonga had that chance rather than that ex-Fail donkey we'd have lost 0-1.
And what's the point in bringing on all 3 subs with 10 minutes left?
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Nov 4, 2018 11:19:36 GMT
5*
What did we expect against a well organised decent Boro.
I would have taken Afobe off much earlier. (well I wouldn't have started him) I don't rate Afobe one bit.
Would have kept Berahino on and got rid of Ince, He'll never cut it any higher, talk about hot and cold.
I admired risking 3 subs in one go, but does that ever work? I think it unsettles for 5 minutes, as there were only about 10 to go. What was the point?
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 4, 2018 12:55:17 GMT
6* butland made a couple of crucial saves or we could have lost it. One shot on target and subs way too late
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 4, 2018 13:13:31 GMT
Seems like many posters have seriously downgraded their expectations and now accept mediocrity as decent. Yesterday was a game we really should haven been more adventurous and had to be as we are playing catch up. Christ a TP side playing away had the best chances. Way too scared to go more offensive until it was too late.
Rowett has shown he is an ultra conservative manager which cost Derby promotion last season (too many drawn games and a timid playoff at home where he benched his top scorer).
History is likely to repeat itself for Rowett even with a generous supportive board behind him. Get used to this league
3 from me.
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 4, 2018 14:26:12 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 4, 2018 14:26:13 GMT
10 - we didn't lose 1-0 as I expected which in turn meant we didn't have to see sir Tony doing his best chimpanzee impression on the touch line
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