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Post by Jimmyg on Nov 4, 2018 0:09:58 GMT
Probably not fit as he's not played many games for a while, he's definitely lost some of his edge but still when he's fit can still do a job for us imo,it was only a few months ago we saw some good performances from him, maybe also lost a bit of confidence as a result of him been dropped.not trying to make excuses but don't think he's as bad as many are making out .
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 4, 2018 1:06:54 GMT
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Nov 4, 2018 3:53:00 GMT
Sad to see, he’s been a legend for this club and he will be remembered for many decades. But the writing is on the wall unfortunately.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 4, 2018 7:21:02 GMT
Clean sheet, what's the fuss about?
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Post by adi on Nov 4, 2018 7:34:52 GMT
Whats more embarrassing? His performance or the lack of respect shown by so called fans to a club legend and captain for ten years plus. Performances
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Post by nutterpotter on Nov 4, 2018 8:43:04 GMT
What? What lack of respect was shown today? I refer to comments by gobshites in threads such as this, short memories from some but most have only supported stoke for a few years. He was shit yesterday. There's nothing disrespectful about saying that.
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Post by supacoopa101 on Nov 4, 2018 8:59:00 GMT
Hugill bullied him the whole game. That's when you know Ryan is finished.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 4, 2018 9:18:31 GMT
When building a squad,they say build from the back,our defence have done OK in the last few games,but we ain't played any free scoring teams in the last few games,if and when we do play someone who score goals,we could well and truly get a thumping,the likes of Ryan,Williams Indi and Pieters are not the answer if we are looking to go straight back up. Yesterday we could have lost by 2 or 3 goals,if it were not for Butland,this against a team who only average about 1 goal a game. We need younger,fitter, quicker players to replace the 4 names mentioned above.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 9:24:11 GMT
Yesterday we could have lost by 2 or 3 goals,if it were not for Butland,this against a team who only average about 1 goal a game. Nonsense, we could’ve lost 1-0 of Hugill had put his chance away, they had no other real chances in the game - just speculative efforts. Afobe and Berahino also had chances as did Shawcross with the header but none were clear cut, perhaps had Afobe not been given offside it would have been a must score, but he was incorrectly flagged. We needed Bojan on a bit earlier as we were void of ideas in the final third.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 4, 2018 9:26:21 GMT
Isn't he under contract for another 2 years?
Another example of us dishing out contracts and high wages to 30-plus players. That's exactly why we're in this mess and why I worry we'll sink even lower in the years to come. No-one will want to take our veteran players on high wages and we won't be able to afford to replace them.
When you're a one-club man (or as good as) like Ryan, supporters get to see your rise and fall. I just hope that in years to come, Ryan's remembered as the colossus of our early-mid Premier League-era, not the immobile, increasingly clumsy player we're watching these days. He's getting outpaced by any old journeyman striker this season and it's painful to watch.
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 4, 2018 9:31:58 GMT
Thought he was nailed on to get a second yellow.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 4, 2018 9:33:12 GMT
I thought he did alright.
As a big lumbering idiot myself, I can tell you that not playing for 5 or 6 weeks really does your mobility no favours at all. Used to take me a few weeks to get any level of athleticism back.
Granted the PDSL 4th division isn't quite the same standard or intensity and my midweek training routine was a leisurely walk to the chip shop.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 4, 2018 11:11:56 GMT
Rowett made the right call on Shawcross - it was a big decision to drop the club captain and a fan's favourite but he was spot on. I couldn't for the life of me understand the recent clamour for him to come back into the side given how we'd so clearly improved in defence since he was dropped. Yesterday's performance just proved the point.
He got a chance yesterday because of our lack of options at the back and we definitely need to strengthen at left back and central defence in the Jan window. If we do buy in the window Ryan is going to have to demonstrate he can adjust his game to deal with the realities of his physical condition - otherwise I can' see him even making the bench after Jan.
Great servant - but it would be awful if he ended his career at Stoke being a problem for the side.
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Post by chell_rosey on Nov 4, 2018 11:25:37 GMT
Rowett made the right call on Shawcross - it was a big decision to drop the club captain and a fan's favourite but he was spot on. I couldn't for the life of me understand the recent clamour for him to come back into the side given how we'd so clearly improved in defence since he was dropped. Yesterday's performance just proved the point. He got a chance yesterday because of our lack of options at the back and we definitely need to strengthen at left back and central defence in the Jan window. If we do buy in the window Ryan is going to have to demonstrate he can adjust his game to deal with the realities of his physical condition - otherwise I can' see him even making the bench after Jan. Great servant - but it would be awful if he ended his career at Stoke being a problem for the side. He was outmuscled on more than one occasion yesterday, something I've never seen before. Almost as though all the stuffing had been knocked out of him. Very sad to see. Hopefully lack of confidence is the reason behind his lack of form.
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Nov 4, 2018 12:36:02 GMT
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 4, 2018 12:36:02 GMT
He played like a man who knows the game is up. Lost flint a couple of times but luckily they didn’t profit from it plus a great save required from butland when a player simply ran away from him. So sad to see
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Post by flinteastwood on Nov 4, 2018 13:07:20 GMT
I thought he had a decent game and made some crucial blocks, clearing crosses into the box and kept a clean sheet. yes he was caught for pace a few times but his sharpness will comeback with game time and confidence in himself. I agree we need a decent youngish defender to be bought in Jan but Ryan still has a massive part to play in this team and I believe he will return to his imperious self and boss these strikers like the Ryan of old.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 11, 2018 22:51:16 GMT
Two decent performances from Ryan in the last two games. Yesterday he was excellent. Maybe a few have been a bit quick to write him off?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 11, 2018 23:00:35 GMT
Great block just before half time
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Nov 11, 2018 23:11:46 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 11, 2018 23:11:46 GMT
Two decent performances from Ryan in the last two games. Yesterday he was excellent. Maybe a few have been a bit quick to write him off? Not sure he can do it consistently anymore. Even last season he was superb in a number of matches but interspersed with some shocking performances. It’s the same this season, oscillating from decent to terrible Let’s hope he can do it on a more regular basis
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Post by adi on Nov 12, 2018 6:08:55 GMT
Two decent performances from Ryan in the last two games. Yesterday he was excellent. Maybe a few have been a bit quick to write him off? Not really. Quick would be a few games, a few seasons tells me he is done.
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Post by lordb on Nov 12, 2018 6:55:59 GMT
Played well at Forest
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 12, 2018 9:44:52 GMT
Two decent performances from Ryan in the last two games. Yesterday he was excellent. Maybe a few have been a bit quick to write him off? He was far from decent against Boro. Played well Saturday tho.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 12, 2018 10:28:59 GMT
I thought one of the most encouraging things about Saturday was that we saw the old Ryan back, and it was great to see. If he can continue to do that, Pieters may be in for a spell on the bench.
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 12, 2018 10:31:44 GMT
Two decent performances from Ryan in the last two games. Yesterday he was excellent. Maybe a few have been a bit quick to write him off? The oatcake? Quick to make a judgement about someone? No chance.
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Post by mrred on Nov 12, 2018 10:38:22 GMT
Two decent performances from Ryan in the last two games. Yesterday he was excellent. Maybe a few have been a bit quick to write him off? The oatcake? Quick to make a judgement about someone? No chance. He's been extremely poor for the best part of 2 years, it's only recently people are facing the music. There's nothing quick about it.
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Post by hyaduck on Nov 12, 2018 11:14:31 GMT
I would never put Shawcross and great player in the same bracket. His heart has always been on his sleeve, but football wise he’s pretty ordinary and now he seriously lacks pace. We are desperate for a new centre half, someone young and confident with the ball at their feet. Miracles do happen...
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Post by adi on Nov 12, 2018 11:31:44 GMT
The oatcake? Quick to make a judgement about someone? No chance. He's been extremely poor for the best part of 2 years, it's only recently people are facing the music. There's nothing quick about it. He has been poor. He’s as culpable for our relegation as anyone, he’s the frigging captain! I know one decent player in a shit team can’t prevent a relegation but let’s be honest the individual players we had, some were bloody good. As the captain he should’ve been able to pull them together and inspire performances but his own poor performance has gone some way towards our demise. He was dropped for a reason, stop bloody ignoring the obvious! People on the oatcake too biased to offer a credible opinion?
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Shawcross
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Post by adi on Nov 12, 2018 11:33:46 GMT
Two decent performances from Ryan in the last two games. Yesterday he was excellent. Maybe a few have been a bit quick to write him off? The oatcake? Quick to make a judgement about someone? No chance. You’ve conveniently ignored the last 2 seasons then it seems.
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Post by block23 on Nov 12, 2018 13:48:10 GMT
He's been extremely poor for the best part of 2 years, it's only recently people are facing the music. There's nothing quick about it. He has been poor. He’s as culpable for our relegation as anyone, he’s the frigging captain! I know one decent player in a shit team can’t prevent a relegation but let’s be honest the individual players we had, some were bloody good. As the captain he should’ve been able to pull them together and inspire performances but his own poor performance has gone some way towards our demise. He was dropped for a reason, stop bloody ignoring the obvious! People on the oatcake too biased to offer a credible opinion? Or people have a different opinion to you? Doesn’t make them wrong, and you right
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Nov 12, 2018 15:32:33 GMT
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Post by adi on Nov 12, 2018 15:32:33 GMT
He has been poor. He’s as culpable for our relegation as anyone, he’s the frigging captain! I know one decent player in a shit team can’t prevent a relegation but let’s be honest the individual players we had, some were bloody good. As the captain he should’ve been able to pull them together and inspire performances but his own poor performance has gone some way towards our demise. He was dropped for a reason, stop bloody ignoring the obvious! People on the oatcake too biased to offer a credible opinion? Or people have a different opinion to you? Doesn’t make them wrong, and you right I didn’t say no opinion I said opinion that lacks credibility, in fact it was entirely these comments that my explicity was intended to curb but nevermind. We mustn’t have leaked fucking loads of goals, and shawcross must’ve been playing well...
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