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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 11:57:17 GMT
If we're not all over this now in readiness for January then it's criminal.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 15, 2018 12:13:39 GMT
Hasn’t he just had a serious injury?
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Post by westgatelakes on Oct 15, 2018 12:35:39 GMT
Good keeper but doubt he would drop into the championship at the moment
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 15, 2018 13:05:18 GMT
Good keeper but doubt he would drop into the championship at the moment He would come to Stoke if given the chance. I think he possibly believed he'd be here already. |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 15, 2018 13:11:14 GMT
Good keeper but doubt he would drop into the championship at the moment He would come to Stoke if given the chance. I think he possibly believed he'd be here already. I think he might come to be No 1 but while Butland is here.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:24:47 GMT
He would come to Stoke if given the chance. I think he possibly believed he'd be here already. I think he might come to be No 1 but while Butland is here.... Butland’s made his position clear by changing agencies, his associates will be pushing hard to get him out of the club in January and arguably we could cash in on him (his value will if course dropped) if a quality keeper like Heaton was available...... |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 15, 2018 13:36:07 GMT
I think he might come to be No 1 but while Butland is here.... Butland’s made his position clear by changing agencies, his associates will be pushing hard to get him out of the club in January and arguably we could cash in on him (his value will if course dropped) if a quality keeper like Heaton was available...... It's not his agent that held Butland back its his form and partly lack of opportunities, at even a reduced fee of £20m+ I don't see a premier league team who would want him or could afford him, Tottenham would be the only possible destination if they sold Lloris but I don't see that happening in January. Butlands change of agent might be more to do with the lack of a new contract, presume he took a 50% relegation paycut and unlike Allen / Shawcross etc he didn't get a new contract offer to cancel that out. |
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Post by Gods on Oct 15, 2018 13:38:00 GMT
I think he might come to be No 1 but while Butland is here.... Butland’s made his position clear by changing agencies, his associates will be pushing hard to get him out of the club in January and arguably we could cash in on him (his value will if course dropped) if a quality keeper like Heaton was available...... I think that may be true but will Jack's new agent be any more successful than Beswicks in facilitating his move back to the Prem or at least top flight somewhere in Europe and at the same time getting Stoke City a price they could live with? It's a circle Beswick's, Jack and SCFC couldn't square in the summer. I'm not convinced the new agent will have any more luck in January. His injury and then patchy form together with our vanishing act from English football's top table have been a personal calamity for Jack. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:38:37 GMT
Butland’s made his position clear by changing agencies, his associates will be pushing hard to get him out of the club in January and arguably we could cash in on him (his value will if course dropped) if a quality keeper like Heaton was available...... It's not his agent that held Butland back its his form and partly lack of opportunities, at even a reduced fee of £20m+ I don't see a premier league team who would want him or could afford him, Tottenham would be the only possible destination if they sold Lloris but I don't see that happening in January. Butlands change of agent might be more to do with the lack of a new contract, presume he took a 50% relegation paycut and unlike Allen / Shawcross etc he didn't get a new contract offer to cancel that out. I think it will be both. Footballers have big egos, Butland will think he’s still worthy of a big move, whether he gets one is another story..... |
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Post by Gods on Oct 15, 2018 13:39:37 GMT
Butland’s made his position clear by changing agencies, his associates will be pushing hard to get him out of the club in January and arguably we could cash in on him (his value will if course dropped) if a quality keeper like Heaton was available...... It's not his agent that held Butland back its his form and partly lack of opportunities, at even a reduced fee of £20m+ I don't see a premier league team who would want him or could afford him, Tottenham would be the only possible destination if they sold Lloris but I don't see that happening in January. Butlands change of agent might be more to do with the lack of a new contract, presume he took a 50% relegation paycut and unlike Allen / Shawcross etc he didn't get a new contract offer to cancel that out. Where do you get 50% from? I had, perhaps wrongly, thought it would be far less than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:41:06 GMT
Butland’s made his position clear by changing agencies, his associates will be pushing hard to get him out of the club in January and arguably we could cash in on him (his value will if course dropped) if a quality keeper like Heaton was available...... I think that may be true but will Jack's new agent be any more successful than Beswicks in facilitating his move back to the Prem or at least top flight somewhere in Europe and at the same time getting Stoke City a price they could live with? It's a circle Beswick's, Jack and SCFC couldn't square in the summer. I'm not convinced they will have any more luck in January. His injury and then patchy form together with our vanishing act from English football's top table have been a personal calamity for Jack. If he has any sense he’ll look abroad, he’s an intelligent lad so would settle and I’m sure it would be great for his career as well. Serie A would be perfect for him..... |
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Post by Roger Everyone on Oct 15, 2018 13:49:00 GMT
On current form, i think you would have to a brave manager in the premiership to sign Jack. Last season wasn't that great and this season he hasn't set the world on fire. Don't get me wrong i am a big fan of Jack. But if Heaton is looking for a new club in January. That might well hinder any premiership move for Jack. He needs to be on top form for us, which would probably mean we will be in the playoffs at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:53:02 GMT
If someone put a bid in for Jack, and Heaton was available I would take him in a heartbeat.
Great bloke, with a great attitude and would be another leader in the team.
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Post by onefatcopper on Oct 15, 2018 13:53:21 GMT
I think that may be true but will Jack's new agent be any more successful than Beswicks in facilitating his move back to the Prem or at least top flight somewhere in Europe and at the same time getting Stoke City a price they could live with? It's a circle Beswick's, Jack and SCFC couldn't square in the summer. I'm not convinced they will have any more luck in January. His injury and then patchy form together with our vanishing act from English football's top table have been a personal calamity for Jack. If he has any sense he’ll look abroad, he’s an intelligent lad so would settle and I’m sure it would be great for his career as well. Serie A would be perfect for him..... At this moment I don’t think British goalkeepers have a great reputation in Europe, Joe Harts experience at Torino has not helped. Jack is not the keeper he was before his injury on international duty and he’s not your typical European goalie, one that’s comfortable with the ball at his feet. The other aspect of a move to Europe would be the fee ? And the freedom of movement that may be governed by the forthcoming Brexit deal/no deal ! |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 15, 2018 14:12:16 GMT
I'd be surprised if Jack wasn't still our number 1 in the Premier League next season, tbh.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 15, 2018 14:16:10 GMT
If Jack were to get his Mojo back he would be a snip for someone in the current market at say £15 million. He's still young by keeping standards and we all know how good he can be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 14:35:54 GMT
Heaton would be a reasonable option if Jack goes and I can't imagine he'd cost the earth, it's whether anyone is willing to pay what we think Butland is worth and whether Heaton has fully recovered from his injuries.
If I had to pick between the two without worrying about the financial side then it'd be Jack every time, I hope he stays for this season and gets a decent move in the summer if we don't go up.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Oct 15, 2018 14:45:49 GMT
Wish We'd have kept Grant, but obviously - you can't deny him a move like that.
Heaton would be a decent signing though.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 15, 2018 15:02:56 GMT
He looks like a fucked off seagull.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 15, 2018 15:10:25 GMT
He would come to Stoke if given the chance. I think he possibly believed he'd be here already. I think he might come to be No 1 but while Butland is here.... ......he'd be No.1 |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 15, 2018 15:19:53 GMT
It's not his agent that held Butland back its his form and partly lack of opportunities, at even a reduced fee of £20m+ I don't see a premier league team who would want him or could afford him, Tottenham would be the only possible destination if they sold Lloris but I don't see that happening in January. Butlands change of agent might be more to do with the lack of a new contract, presume he took a 50% relegation paycut and unlike Allen / Shawcross etc he didn't get a new contract offer to cancel that out. Where do you get 50% from? I had, perhaps wrongly, thought it would be far less than that. I don't know if I read that somewhere or just made it up  Whatever the paycut it will have been substantial I imagine 20%+, I have personally ever been keen on paycuts for myself so can understand they would not like it but also if I was on £30k+ a week I would find it a little harder to argue against.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 16:34:33 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 15, 2018 16:42:00 GMT
I thought this was a thread about Super Ryan Woods.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 17:03:42 GMT
He'll end up at Leicester with slab head. |
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Post by steewee on Oct 15, 2018 17:37:38 GMT
As much as I don't blame the lad, as we'd all look to do the best for ourselves & family - that article should really read.. - "Stoke star who has massive responsibility for relegating the club, seeks desperate return to the premiership despite making several season ending mistakes for his previous club.." No one can shirk it - he played dismal. Blame the defense or not, but fine margins mean that some of his mistakes in the latter half of the season would have kept us up. The big clubs will be concerned with that lack of stability he provides.. hence the reason why I think he's second/third fiddle at England now. Even behind Pickford who is hardly inspirational. Any good luck Butland |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 15, 2018 17:45:31 GMT
Butland’s made his position clear by changing agencies, his associates will be pushing hard to get him out of the club in January and arguably we could cash in on him (his value will if course dropped) if a quality keeper like Heaton was available...... It's not his agent that held Butland back its his form and partly lack of opportunities, at even a reduced fee of £20m+ I don't see a premier league team who would want him or could afford him, Tottenham would be the only possible destination if they sold Lloris but I don't see that happening in January. Butlands change of agent might be more to do with the lack of a new contract, presume he took a 50% relegation paycut and unlike Allen / Shawcross etc he didn't get a new contract offer to cancel that out. Thought Butland signed a new contract in the summer |
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 15, 2018 18:45:11 GMT
Where do you get 50% from? I had, perhaps wrongly, thought it would be far less than that. I don't know if I read that somewhere or just made it up Whatever the paycut it will have been substantial I imagine 20%+, I have personally ever been keen on paycuts for myself so can understand they would not like it but also if I was on £30k+ a week I would find it a little harder to argue against.... 50% was in sentinel whether it was true or not and I can't see anywhere he signed a new contract afterwards |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 16, 2018 11:16:18 GMT
If we're not all over this now in readiness for January then it's criminal. If JB goes to Prem, it will be as a reserve keeper like Begovic, and then will have to fight for a place, or wait his chance. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 12:23:48 GMT
If someone put a bid in for Jack, and Heaton was available I would take him in a heartbeat. Great bloke, with a great attitude and would be another leader in the team. The someone who will put in a bid is more likely to go for Heaton. Which means we can't get rid of Jack, unless another championship team wants and Jack sees that club to be more likely to return him to the big time. |
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Post by VolvicStokie on Oct 16, 2018 12:42:46 GMT
Jack must be desperate to get out, which is odd as he's pretty much come out and said he wants to help us get back to the Prem ASAP?
Changing agent is a huge statement. So, looks like we'll be after a new keeper in January.
At the same time, I can't see us getting much more than 20 million for him.
12 months ago we were talking at least double that! Crazy what 12 months can do.
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Whatever the paycut it will have been substantial I imagine 20%+, I have personally ever been keen on paycuts for myself so can understand they would not like it but also if I was on £30k+ a week I would find it a little harder to argue against....
