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Post by spitthedog on Sept 27, 2018 15:50:34 GMT
Its worth noting that both players have been 'demoted' to the Under-23s in recent weeks
Adam, our pantomime villain, who gets regularly vilified on here and Bauer the angel, the victim, who can't do no wrong.
It was interesting how each of them reacted to their recall in very different ways in the game last night.
I think most would agree that Adam came out of that game with more credit than Bauer
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 27, 2018 19:16:17 GMT
Its worth noting that both players have been 'demoted' to the Under-23s in recent weeks Adam, our pantomime villain, who gets regularly vilified on here and Bauer the angel, the victim, who can't do no wrong. It was interesting how each of them reacted to their recall in very different ways in the game last night. I think most would agree that Adam came out of that game with more credit than Bauer Bauer has been found out in this division, in the premier league he had more time and space to maraud down the flanks when he was playing in the correct position. But in this division he’s been caught out and is a liability due to being constantly caught out of position and not tracking back. Charlie took his opportunity and was the inspiration for the fight back, he seemed a lot fitter and thinner!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 19:19:08 GMT
Charlie took his opportunity and was the inspiration for the fight back, he seemed a lot fitter and thinner! Will be interesting to see how long that lasts, but yeah a fit Charlie has something to offer us.
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Post by lordb on Sept 27, 2018 20:59:03 GMT
Adam on the bench,fine. He's always been a good sub.
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Post by rawli on Sept 27, 2018 21:43:03 GMT
Adam on the bench,fine. He's always been a good sub. He's always liked a big sub.
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Post by RAF on Sept 27, 2018 22:00:16 GMT
Its worth noting that both players have been 'demoted' to the Under-23s in recent weeks Adam, our pantomime villain, who gets regularly vilified on here and Bauer the angel, the victim, who can't do no wrong. It was interesting how each of them reacted to their recall in very different ways in the game last night. I think most would agree that Adam came out of that game with more credit than Bauer Bauer has been found out in this division, in the premier league he had more time and space to maraud down the flanks when he was playing in the correct position. But in this division he’s been caught out and is a liability due to being constantly caught out of position and not tracking back. Charlie took his opportunity and was the inspiration for the fight back, he seemed a lot fitter and thinner! How has he been found out when he hasnt played? H
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 27, 2018 23:23:48 GMT
Bauer has been found out in this division, in the premier league he had more time and space to maraud down the flanks when he was playing in the correct position. But in this division he’s been caught out and is a liability due to being constantly caught out of position and not tracking back. Charlie took his opportunity and was the inspiration for the fight back, he seemed a lot fitter and thinner! How has he been found out when he hasnt played? H Your correct, Bauer did his impression of the invisible man against Leeds and Brentford, he was absolutely brilliant, not a sign of him anywhere near the right back position !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 23:41:41 GMT
Adam on the bench,fine. He's always been a good sub. He's always liked a big sub. I miss Charlie...its kind of like he's a bit of a knobhead but he's our knobhead if you know what I mean
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Post by kustokie on Sept 28, 2018 0:50:35 GMT
Its worth noting that both players have been 'demoted' to the Under-23s in recent weeks Adam, our pantomime villain, who gets regularly vilified on here and Bauer the angel, the victim, who can't do no wrong. It was interesting how each of them reacted to their recall in very different ways in the game last night. I think most would agree that Adam came out of that game with more credit than Bauer Bauer has been found out in this division, in the premier league he had more time and space to maraud down the flanks when he was playing in the correct position. But in this division he’s been caught out and is a liability due to being constantly caught out of position and not tracking back. Charlie took his opportunity and was the inspiration for the fight back, he seemed a lot fitter and thinner! The same is true of Pieters.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 28, 2018 0:53:37 GMT
He's always liked a big sub. I miss Charlie...its kind of like he's a bit of a knobhead but he's our knobhead if you know what I mean You must follow american politics because that’s what I have heard republicans say about Orange Donnie. “He may be an asshole but he’s our (Republican) asshole”.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 28, 2018 0:58:44 GMT
Doesn’t Charlie basically volunteer to play for the 23s? Sure I read on here he enjoyed mentoring the young’uns
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Post by nott1 on Sept 28, 2018 5:33:08 GMT
I thought Charlie looked a lot fitter than he has been for some time, and he certainly contributed!
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 28, 2018 5:55:04 GMT
Doesn’t Charlie basically volunteer to play for the 23s? Sure I read on here he enjoyed mentoring the young’uns I can't knock him for that... But is that any kind of ambition???? We are ment to be trying to get back to the land of milk and hunny, with charity workers???
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Post by RAF on Sept 28, 2018 6:07:21 GMT
How has he been found out when he hasnt played? H Your correct, Bauer did his impression of the invisible man against Leeds and Brentford, he was absolutely brilliant, not a sign of him anywhere near the right back position ! So just to clarify from Mr 'Give them time we are on the up' Leeds they were all shit with not a man to come out with any pride and a draw against Brentford where the goal had fuck all to do with Bauer means he gets dropped? The reasoning is flawed as is any point you are trying to make. Rowett has lost the plot and he has a few games to sort it before he is gone. H
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 28, 2018 6:56:26 GMT
Your correct, Bauer did his impression of the invisible man against Leeds and Brentford, he was absolutely brilliant, not a sign of him anywhere near the right back position ! So just to clarify from Mr 'Give them time we are on the up' Leeds they were all shit with not a man to come out with any pride and a draw against Brentford where the goal had fuck all to do with Bauer means he gets dropped? The reasoning is flawed as is any point you are trying to make. Rowett has lost the plot and he has a few games to sort it before he is gone. H Speak to anyone who witnessed his performance at Forest and you will get the same answer from 1500 voices, Bauer cannot Defend and is a walking liability !
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2018 6:58:45 GMT
Adam should be on the bench ahead of Fletcher. He offers so much more. Could still offer something in a 3 with Etebo and Woods.
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Post by RAF on Sept 28, 2018 7:47:00 GMT
So just to clarify from Mr 'Give them time we are on the up' Leeds they were all shit with not a man to come out with any pride and a draw against Brentford where the goal had fuck all to do with Bauer means he gets dropped? The reasoning is flawed as is any point you are trying to make. Rowett has lost the plot and he has a few games to sort it before he is gone. H Speak to anyone who witnessed his performance at Forest and you will get the same answer from 1500 voices, Bauer cannot Defend and is a walking liability ! I see the old' I've canvassed the masses and they agree with me' argument. He was hung out to dry along side others who were far more incompetent by an excuse merchant of a manager bereft of any real plan. It's a joke that you are not addressing the real issue. H
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 28, 2018 8:20:37 GMT
Speak to anyone who witnessed his performance at Forest and you will get the same answer from 1500 voices, Bauer cannot Defend and is a walking liability ! I see the old' I've canvassed the masses and they agree with me' argument. He was hung out to dry along side others who were far more incompetent by an excuse merchant of a manager bereft of any real plan. It's a joke that you are not addressing the real issue. H If you are talking 'hung out to dry'....what about Adam?....he had the misfortune of having to play alongside Fletcher and still did a decent job! I don't get this hung out to dry cliche at all.....are you seriously suggesting any pro would think 'oooh I'll get him to play with some of our very worst players and make look like he's toss, then everyone will be on my side, and think it's him, not me'!!!! its one of the worst conspiracy theories I've come across yet. He was (supposed to be) playing in the position which is meant to be his strongest!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 28, 2018 8:23:54 GMT
Speak to anyone who witnessed his performance at Forest and you will get the same answer from 1500 voices, Bauer cannot Defend and is a walking liability ! I see the old' I've canvassed the masses and they agree with me' argument. He was hung out to dry along side others who were far more incompetent by an excuse merchant of a manager bereft of any real plan. It's a joke that you are not addressing the real issue. H Whilst that may be true, he did himself few favours on Wednesday night. He had an absolute nightmare.
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Post by lordb on Sept 28, 2018 8:50:47 GMT
Speak to anyone who witnessed his performance at Forest and you will get the same answer from 1500 voices, Bauer cannot Defend and is a walking liability ! I see the old' I've canvassed the masses and they agree with me' argument. He was hung out to dry along side others who were far more incompetent by an excuse merchant of a manager bereft of any real plan. It's a joke that you are not addressing the real issue. H How was he hung out to dry? He was put in his natural position of right wing back. He neither posed a threat nor did he do his job defensively. OK one game after a spell out but,in sharp contrast to Adam,he missed his chance to stake a claim.
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Post by eriksson74 on Sept 28, 2018 8:59:03 GMT
Bauer had a chance to back up his opinion of himself he should be in the team. He failed to do the basics of defending he needed to justify that opinion he has that he should begin the side.
He has become a good player by not playing, like Cameron was, who also coincidentally couldn't defend and always out of position!
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Sept 28, 2018 9:41:09 GMT
I mean Adam was rightfully vilified on here,and although he was ok against Forest his general play was still off for me
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Post by redstriper on Sept 28, 2018 10:48:52 GMT
So, did we imagine how good bauer was when he came into the side last season ? I think not, the fact is he has been made the scapegoat for a poor defensive unit, and an iffy 45 minutes against forest in a defence which was all over the place doesn't change that. Convenient for the manager to be able to take him off and give him all the blame once again.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 28, 2018 10:56:36 GMT
Adam should be on the bench instead of Fletcher. That was obvious before Wednesday, Wednesday simply emphasised it.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 28, 2018 11:11:29 GMT
So, did we imagine how good bauer was when he came into the side last season ? I think not, the fact is he has been made the scapegoat for a poor defensive unit, and an iffy 45 minutes against forest in a defence which was all over the place doesn't change that. Convenient for the manager to be able to take him off and give him all the blame once again. We didn't imagine how good he was last season but equally we are not imagining how dreadful he has looked in his limited appearances so far this season, I like most people am baffled by the change but it is real he appears to have some sort of brain wash to completely remove any trace of positional awareness.
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Post by RF10 on Sept 28, 2018 11:29:29 GMT
Although Adam would obviously prefer to be on bench for first team, he is heavily involved with the U 23's and trying to help with their progression.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 11:30:50 GMT
Adam should be on the bench instead of Fletcher. That was obvious before Wednesday, Wednesday simply emphasised it. Exactly. He'd be a better part of a Plan B or C too. The normal argument is that he can't sit and protect if needed but i'll be damned if Fletcher can either!
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Post by RAF on Sept 28, 2018 11:48:20 GMT
I see the old' I've canvassed the masses and they agree with me' argument. He was hung out to dry along side others who were far more incompetent by an excuse merchant of a manager bereft of any real plan. It's a joke that you are not addressing the real issue. H If you are talking 'hung out to dry'....what about Adam?....he had the misfortune of having to play alongside Fletcher and still did a decent job! I don't get this hung out to dry cliche at all.....are you seriously suggesting any pro would think 'oooh I'll get him to play with some of our very worst players and make look like he's toss, then everyone will be on my side, and think it's him, not me'!!!! its one of the worst conspiracy theories I've come across yet. He was (supposed to be) playing in the position which is meant to be his strongest! Oh absolutely spit Adam was up against it from the off with that Carthorse, but I'm focusing on Bauer here, and I don't think right wing back is his natural position. H
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Post by RAF on Sept 28, 2018 11:49:13 GMT
I see the old' I've canvassed the masses and they agree with me' argument. He was hung out to dry along side others who were far more incompetent by an excuse merchant of a manager bereft of any real plan. It's a joke that you are not addressing the real issue. H Whilst that may be true, he did himself few favours on Wednesday night. He had an absolute nightmare. True Dave but he wasn't the worst. H
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 28, 2018 12:14:50 GMT
If you are talking 'hung out to dry'....what about Adam?....he had the misfortune of having to play alongside Fletcher and still did a decent job! I don't get this hung out to dry cliche at all.....are you seriously suggesting any pro would think 'oooh I'll get him to play with some of our very worst players and make look like he's toss, then everyone will be on my side, and think it's him, not me'!!!! its one of the worst conspiracy theories I've come across yet. He was (supposed to be) playing in the position which is meant to be his strongest! Oh absolutely spit Adam was up against it from the off with that Carthorse, but I'm focusing on Bauer here, and I don't think right wing back is his natural position. H I agree with your earlier comments about Rowett. He's a chancer who is currently in the process of being found out. However I don't think he's wrong about Bauer. Last season Bauer's positional sense while defending looked flaky which is why Lambert pushed him forward in front of Johnson (himself not the best). I actually think he looked better than he is because by comparison to last season's shower (a) he was fitter and (b) he offered more genuine pace than almost anyone else - but from what I have seen of him last season and this I do not think his future lies in English football.
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