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Post by StatesideStokie on Sept 25, 2018 19:14:21 GMT
I "fink" too many of us are coming round to the idea that our Gazza talks a good game, but it does not translate to what happens on the pitch, that he's a "fur coat and no knickers" kinda manager, big on the latest manager-speak, low on actual ability to turn it into good performances which produce "free" points. As ever, results are what matter at the end of the day and this early disaffection will melt away if he gets us up into the top 6 come May. Football fans are fickle that way. I think some want it to be true aswell, not because of results but because he doesn't play pretty football I don’t think the current backlash against Rowett has ‘owt to do with pretty football, or the lack thereof. I would be more than happy for us to hoof, boot and scrap our way to promotion, but right now what we’re seeing is just vanilla football with zero game plan and no style of play at all. People can knock Pulisball, but at least he has a game plan and brought in players to fit the style he was looking to play. He drilled players to do a job, and play as part of a team, with a defined role. He built a team spirit that few could match, and he got the best out of mostly limited players. Rowett is displaying none of those qualities, and there isn’t a “style of play” at all.......its all just a turgid fucking mess with nobody seeming to have a fucking clue what they’re supposed to be doing.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 25, 2018 19:20:02 GMT
I lost patience with him a long time ago. We have no divine right to get promoted out of this league, but it isn't unrealistic to expect us to be positive in our approach in attempting to bounce straight back. We retained some key players from last season (Butland, Allen, Indi, Crouch, Pieters etc) and also spent a significant amount of money on the likes of Ince, McClean, Etebo, Woods and Afobe. Plus a couple of experienced heads on loan in the form of Williams and Martina. Everyone knows we're far from perfect and that there are areas that need addressing, but we shouldn't be going into games with a negative set up. We've got too much experience and quality in the squad for that. We're no longer playing the likes of Spurs, Man City and Chelsea. We're up against the likes of Rotherham, Ipswich and Reading. There are good teams in this league of course, but we should consider ourselves one of those teams too. If we were having a proper good go at teams and faltering, I'd still be disappointed but I could appreciate what we were trying to do a bit more. To go into each game with a negative set up and what appears to be a mindset of "trying not to lose", that just isn't good enough for me. We should be starting with a number 10 giving support to the centre forward in pretty much every game we play at this level. It isn't good enough to go 2 or 3 goals behind and then throw the attacking players on from the bench in a mad panic trying to rescue something from the game. Even if that penalty had gone in on Saturday it wouldn't have papered over the cracks. Rowett is just too negative and the job looks completely beyond him. All his previous jobs have been at clubs in a mess which have needed saving from the abyss. This is his first job with actual expectation and he's showing himself to be completely out of his depth. And don't get me started on some of the things he says in public. He might offer the occasional soundbyte of accepting responsibility, but it's normally amongst a barrage of criticism aimed at his players or those above him. After the Preston game his comments pretty much amounted to "I'm trying to get these useless bastards to play football but they're just not doing it, so I'm forced to bring Crouch on and lump it long." Some of the stuff he comes out with is unbelievable and are the kind of things that should be strictly kept behind closed doors. It will just cause irreplable damage and it will all be of his own doing. What we're seeing on match day is a direct reflection of what he's drilling in to them on the training ground, and it just isn't good enough. It might seem ridiculously early to suggest, but I wouldn't bat an eyelid if he left tomorrow. I'd even suggest we'd be better off for doing so. There must be other managers out there that could do a lot more with the resources at their disposal? Just a little bit more positivity would be a start. retaining key players from last season certainly isn't worth shouting about 😁
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 25, 2018 19:23:59 GMT
I think some want it to be true aswell, not because of results but because he doesn't play pretty football I don’t think the current backlash against Rowett has ‘owt to do with pretty football, or the lack thereof. I would be more than happy for us to hoof, boot and scrap our way to promotion, but right now what we’re seeing is just vanilla football with zero game plan and no style of play at all. People can knock Pulisball, but at least he has a game plan and brought in players to fit the style he was looking to play. He drilled players to do a job, and play as part of a team, with a defined role. He built a team spirit that few could match, and he got the best out of mostly limited players. Rowett is displaying none of those qualities, and there isn’t a “style of play” at all.......its all just a turgid fucking mess with nobody seeming to have a fucking clue what they’re supposedd to be doing. its allready been mentioned by someone else mate but people had made their mind up the day he signed. If his name was garicio rowetthino, arrived from Portugal and he played bojan with lots of pretty passes he'd be spared more slack. But that's just my opinion, certainly seems the gist of it to me. I think anybody will struggle with this defence
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Post by ursemboys on Sept 25, 2018 19:27:31 GMT
Rowett in ,he will turn it round just give him time, only been here 5 min. Dead right, Darren Moore's had a hell of a lot longer in charge of West Brom.... What is it??? Something like 5 games more??? still 5 games more ,you could change your tune in 5 games if we get behind them instead of slaughtering them .
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Post by StatesideStokie on Sept 25, 2018 20:52:29 GMT
I don’t think the current backlash against Rowett has ‘owt to do with pretty football, or the lack thereof. I would be more than happy for us to hoof, boot and scrap our way to promotion, but right now what we’re seeing is just vanilla football with zero game plan and no style of play at all. People can knock Pulisball, but at least he has a game plan and brought in players to fit the style he was looking to play. He drilled players to do a job, and play as part of a team, with a defined role. He built a team spirit that few could match, and he got the best out of mostly limited players. Rowett is displaying none of those qualities, and there isn’t a “style of play” at all.......its all just a turgid fucking mess with nobody seeming to have a fucking clue what they’re supposedd to be doing. its allready been mentioned by someone else mate but people had made their mind up the day he signed. If his name was garicio rowetthino, arrived from Portugal and he played bojan with lots of pretty passes he'd be spared more slack. But that's just my opinion, certainly seems the gist of it to me. I think anybody will struggle with this defence We can agree to disagree on the reasons for the Rowett backlash. As I explained, it’s got little to do with style of play from my perspective but others may feel that way. I agree with your comments on the defense, but with all due respect, Rowett has has an entire transfer window and pre-season to address it and has some fuck all. The only defenders he’s brought in are a right back (which is the one position we had already sorted with Bauer, and Edwards as back up) and Ashley Williams, who looks no better than what we already have. As bad as things are, if either of Shawcross or a Indi pick up a long-term injury, we are even more in the shit than we stand currently - and that itself is gross negligence on the part of Rowett. He failed to address clear issues, and his excuse of not realizing how bad things were just doesn’t wash. That’s his fucking job. It’s going to probably cost him his job.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 25, 2018 20:58:59 GMT
I wanted him desperately to co e in and sort this club out. I don't agree with his slash and burn tactics and tendency to throw individuals under the bus.
In public collectively slate your team but don't slate individuals and then not expect them to defend or retaliate in their actions
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 25, 2018 21:33:16 GMT
This board is littered with an ever increasing dislike of Rowett. I don’t think I can recall a manager of stoke being knocked so early into their tenure? I’m for giving him time but recent press conferences have me concerned about his professionalism🤔. I think he’ll turn it round and this board can be a little fickle to say the least😬 McCarthy out! (Just getting in early with his successor)
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Post by fca47 on Sept 25, 2018 22:02:50 GMT
If that's the same as saying he's crap, I'm with you.
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Post by adamsson on Sept 26, 2018 5:29:39 GMT
I do wonder if some posters on here have ever managed in any capacity at anytime. He cannot fix the downward spiral in 67 or 10 games. He needs to try things and he needs to work out who can play how he wants as well as he wants This is not achievable overnight, it proves spending money isn't always the answer bit giving people time to settle, suss out players, systems and tacticsis a good start. I cringe at some of the ill thought out crap spouted on here at times, long may he continue and ram it all down some people's throats. Supporting Stoke, a real rollercoaster ride, shut up and enjoy it! PS we have no divine right we have got to work at it It took Darren Moore one game to turn West Brom around
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 26, 2018 6:15:26 GMT
Rowett out.
What actions?
Splitting the dressing room?
Bitching on social media or stating the obvious on post match pressers?
Banning Bojan to oblivion even though he and Bera offer way more creativity?
Using old slow useless players like Fletcher for half the season for no reason costing us points?
Letting Allen and Ryan get away with murder but calling out Bauer as a scapegoat until it bites him in the ass?
Then switch scapegoat to Ryan, backtrack lol
No cover for the wing, but we’ve got James McClean lol
His only decent signings have been Woods and Ince the others are average.
He’s slow to sub or act when it comes to matches at hand. He doesn’t game manage.
His lineups baffle the mind and the supporters.
He never takes blame for his inaction and points to certain players on or off the bench to distract from his sub par management skills.
He also has no clue how to setup a defensive unit and the lack of our players even slide tackling or challenging other teams is frighteningly also non existent.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 26, 2018 7:06:28 GMT
its allready been mentioned by someone else mate but people had made their mind up the day he signed. If his name was garicio rowetthino, arrived from Portugal and he played bojan with lots of pretty passes he'd be spared more slack. But that's just my opinion, certainly seems the gist of it to me. I think anybody will struggle with this defence We can agree to disagree on the reasons for the Rowett backlash. As I explained, it’s got little to do with style of play from my perspective but others may feel that way. I agree with your comments on the defense, but with all due respect, Rowett has has an entire transfer window and pre-season to address it and has some fuck all. The only defenders he’s brought in are a right back (which is the one position we had already sorted with Bauer, and Edwards as back up) and Ashley Williams, who looks no better than what we already have. As bad as things are, if either of Shawcross or a Indi pick up a long-term injury, we are even more in the shit than we stand currently - and that itself is gross negligence on the part of Rowett. He failed to address clear issues, and his excuse of not realizing how bad things were just doesn’t wash. That’s his fucking job. It’s going to probably cost him his job. Don't get me wrong, whoever decided our defence needed minor surgery deserves all the abuse because it's total incompetence. From what I see though the club got Rowett his 3rd choice defensive targets, he went on record saying he doesn't want to use the loan market and we ended up with 2 loans, one player over the hill & one player who has done nothing. He wanted Chester and I don't believe Martina was his preference either, more like Simpson imo
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Sept 26, 2018 13:36:45 GMT
I lost patience with him a long time ago. We have no divine right to get promoted out of this league, but it isn't unrealistic to expect us to be positive in our approach in attempting to bounce straight back. We retained some key players from last season (Butland, Allen, Indi, Crouch, Pieters etc) and also spent a significant amount of money on the likes of Ince, McClean, Etebo, Woods and Afobe. Plus a couple of experienced heads on loan in the form of Williams and Martina. Everyone knows we're far from perfect and that there are areas that need addressing, but we shouldn't be going into games with a negative set up. We've got too much experience and quality in the squad for that. We're no longer playing the likes of Spurs, Man City and Chelsea. We're up against the likes of Rotherham, Ipswich and Reading. There are good teams in this league of course, but we should consider ourselves one of those teams too. If we were having a proper good go at teams and faltering, I'd still be disappointed but I could appreciate what we were trying to do a bit more. To go into each game with a negative set up and what appears to be a mindset of "trying not to lose", that just isn't good enough for me. We should be starting with a number 10 giving support to the centre forward in pretty much every game we play at this level. It isn't good enough to go 2 or 3 goals behind and then throw the attacking players on from the bench in a mad panic trying to rescue something from the game. Even if that penalty had gone in on Saturday it wouldn't have papered over the cracks. Rowett is just too negative and the job looks completely beyond him. All his previous jobs have been at clubs in a mess which have needed saving from the abyss. This is his first job with actual expectation and he's showing himself to be completely out of his depth. And don't get me started on some of the things he says in public. He might offer the occasional soundbyte of accepting responsibility, but it's normally amongst a barrage of criticism aimed at his players or those above him. After the Preston game his comments pretty much amounted to "I'm trying to get these useless bastards to play football but they're just not doing it, so I'm forced to bring Crouch on and lump it long." Some of the stuff he comes out with is unbelievable and are the kind of things that should be strictly kept behind closed doors. It will just cause irreplable damage and it will all be of his own doing. What we're seeing on match day is a direct reflection of what he's drilling in to them on the training ground, and it just isn't good enough. It might seem ridiculously early to suggest, but I wouldn't bat an eyelid if he left tomorrow. I'd even suggest we'd be better off for doing so. There must be other managers out there that could do a lot more with the resources at their disposal? Just a little bit more positivity would be a start. Things is, you list players as though it was to the managers advantage... "We retained some key players from last season (Butland, Allen, Indi, Crouch, Pieters etc) and also spent a significant amount of money on the likes of Ince, McClean, Etebo, Woods and Afobe. Plus a couple of experienced heads on loan in the form of Williams and Martina." But of those players we retained, well, they've all been shit except Crouch, yet everyone was jumping up and down when we kept them on. I would have got rid of allen, and i'd have tried to get rid of Butland and kept Grant, BUT the others i'd have kept assuming they'd be MORE than good enough at this level, Shawcross too. And that was the general concensus on this board. That retaining so many of those players was a good thing. It hasn't been. It's been a fucking disaster. Most of Rowetts signings, with the exception of McLean, have looked pretty decent. They've certainly been a hell of a lot better than what was already here. But i think it was a reasonable assumption from the manager to think that if he got rid of the disruptive elements, the core of last seasons team, the "good eggs" would be absolutely fine at this level. He couldn't change everyone, we couldn't get rid of a lot of the shit to be able to do that. What defensive moves he had in mind or requested, fell through, and he's left with a paceless shitfest of a defence. The other mitigating factor is that the world cup and early start was in no way helpful to clubs needing a complete rebuild rather than a few modifications. I wouldn't say i've been impressed by Rowett, far from it, but i fail to see that he's done all that much worng. I can at least see sense in what he's trying to do on the pitch. It's pretty obvious that we have a tendency to go completely to shit when we concede, so he's desperately trying not to concede first. It's catch 22, if he goes attacking and we get exposed after a few minutes the knives will be out, as it is we're prodding and probing largely ineffectually at times, and the knives come out after 20 minutes instead. We are scoring goals, particularly in the 2nd half, he has to send them out to make sure they don't give it away early on, and thats what he's done. i just think, a combination of circumstances has left him in the shit. rather than too many awful decisions.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 26, 2018 13:40:51 GMT
I lost patience with him a long time ago. We have no divine right to get promoted out of this league, but it isn't unrealistic to expect us to be positive in our approach in attempting to bounce straight back. We retained some key players from last season (Butland, Allen, Indi, Crouch, Pieters etc) and also spent a significant amount of money on the likes of Ince, McClean, Etebo, Woods and Afobe. Plus a couple of experienced heads on loan in the form of Williams and Martina. Everyone knows we're far from perfect and that there are areas that need addressing, but we shouldn't be going into games with a negative set up. We've got too much experience and quality in the squad for that. We're no longer playing the likes of Spurs, Man City and Chelsea. We're up against the likes of Rotherham, Ipswich and Reading. There are good teams in this league of course, but we should consider ourselves one of those teams too. If we were having a proper good go at teams and faltering, I'd still be disappointed but I could appreciate what we were trying to do a bit more. To go into each game with a negative set up and what appears to be a mindset of "trying not to lose", that just isn't good enough for me. We should be starting with a number 10 giving support to the centre forward in pretty much every game we play at this level. It isn't good enough to go 2 or 3 goals behind and then throw the attacking players on from the bench in a mad panic trying to rescue something from the game. Even if that penalty had gone in on Saturday it wouldn't have papered over the cracks. Rowett is just too negative and the job looks completely beyond him. All his previous jobs have been at clubs in a mess which have needed saving from the abyss. This is his first job with actual expectation and he's showing himself to be completely out of his depth. And don't get me started on some of the things he says in public. He might offer the occasional soundbyte of accepting responsibility, but it's normally amongst a barrage of criticism aimed at his players or those above him. After the Preston game his comments pretty much amounted to "I'm trying to get these useless bastards to play football but they're just not doing it, so I'm forced to bring Crouch on and lump it long." Some of the stuff he comes out with is unbelievable and are the kind of things that should be strictly kept behind closed doors. It will just cause irreplable damage and it will all be of his own doing. What we're seeing on match day is a direct reflection of what he's drilling in to them on the training ground, and it just isn't good enough. It might seem ridiculously early to suggest, but I wouldn't bat an eyelid if he left tomorrow. I'd even suggest we'd be better off for doing so. There must be other managers out there that could do a lot more with the resources at their disposal? Just a little bit more positivity would be a start. Things is, you list players as though it was to the managers advantage... "We retained some key players from last season (Butland, Allen, Indi, Crouch, Pieters etc) and also spent a significant amount of money on the likes of Ince, McClean, Etebo, Woods and Afobe. Plus a couple of experienced heads on loan in the form of Williams and Martina." But of those players we retained, well, they've all been shit except Crouch, yet everyone was jumping up and down when we kept them on. I would have got rid of allen, and i'd have tried to get rid of Butland and kept Grant, BUT the others i'd have kept assuming they'd be MORE than good enough at this level, Shawcross too. And that was the general concensus on this board. That retaining so many of those players was a good thing. It hasn't been. It's been a fucking disaster. Most of Rowetts signings, with the exception of McLean, have looked pretty decent. They've certainly been a hell of a lot better than what was already here. But i think it was a reasonable assumption from the manager to think that if he got rid of the disruptive elements, the core of last seasons team, the "good eggs" would be absolutely fine at this level. He couldn't change everyone, we couldn't get rid of a lot of the shit to be able to do that. What defensive moves he had in mind or requested, fell through, and he's left with a paceless shitfest of a defence. The other mitigating factor is that the world cup and early start was in no way helpful to clubs needing a complete rebuild rather than a few modifications. I wouldn't say i've been impressed by Rowett, far from it, but i fail to see that he's done all that much worng. I can at least see sense in what he's trying to do on the pitch, i just think, a combination of circumstances has left him in the shit. I don’t think it’s correct that you post on this forum Mr Rowett😜 Joking aside you make some valid points.
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Post by Northy on Sept 26, 2018 13:48:01 GMT
This board is littered with an ever increasing dislike of Rowett. I don’t think I can recall a manager of stoke being knocked so early into their tenure? I’m for giving him time but recent press conferences have me concerned about his professionalism🤔. I think he’ll turn it round and this board can be a little fickle to say the least😬 Gary Megson's appointment?
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Post by slother on Sept 26, 2018 21:29:20 GMT
This club has been shit under Hughes, Lambert and Rowett. Same problems. It can't be the manager. I'd sooner lose Shawcross than Rowett. It is painful but we should have done it in the summer and got a proper shiny new defence in.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 26, 2018 21:35:28 GMT
This club has been shit under Hughes, Lambert and Rowett. Same problems. It can't be the manager. I'd sooner lose Shawcross than Rowett. It is painful but we should have done it in the summer and got a proper shiny new defence in. Why can't it be the managers? Maybe three shit managers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 21:38:21 GMT
I'm heart broken I've spent £400 on a season ticket to watch this dross, I've had enough of football after the few seasons.
I'd rather save my money or spend it on something that will provide excitement or good memory's
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 18:16:55 GMT
He's toss...
With a capital "T"
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 18:24:17 GMT
I lost patience with him a long time ago. We have no divine right to get promoted out of this league, but it isn't unrealistic to expect us to be positive in our approach in attempting to bounce straight back. We retained some key players from last season (Butland, Allen, Indi, Crouch, Pieters etc) and also spent a significant amount of money on the likes of Ince, McClean, Etebo, Woods and Afobe. Plus a couple of experienced heads on loan in the form of Williams and Martina. Everyone knows we're far from perfect and that there are areas that need addressing, but we shouldn't be going into games with a negative set up. We've got too much experience and quality in the squad for that. We're no longer playing the likes of Spurs, Man City and Chelsea. We're up against the likes of Rotherham, Ipswich and Reading. There are good teams in this league of course, but we should consider ourselves one of those teams too. If we were having a proper good go at teams and faltering, I'd still be disappointed but I could appreciate what we were trying to do a bit more. To go into each game with a negative set up and what appears to be a mindset of "trying not to lose", that just isn't good enough for me. We should be starting with a number 10 giving support to the centre forward in pretty much every game we play at this level. It isn't good enough to go 2 or 3 goals behind and then throw the attacking players on from the bench in a mad panic trying to rescue something from the game. Even if that penalty had gone in on Saturday it wouldn't have papered over the cracks. Rowett is just too negative and the job looks completely beyond him. All his previous jobs have been at clubs in a mess which have needed saving from the abyss. This is his first job with actual expectation and he's showing himself to be completely out of his depth. And don't get me started on some of the things he says in public. He might offer the occasional soundbyte of accepting responsibility, but it's normally amongst a barrage of criticism aimed at his players or those above him. After the Preston game his comments pretty much amounted to "I'm trying to get these useless bastards to play football but they're just not doing it, so I'm forced to bring Crouch on and lump it long." Some of the stuff he comes out with is unbelievable and are the kind of things that should be strictly kept behind closed doors. It will just cause irreplable damage and it will all be of his own doing. What we're seeing on match day is a direct reflection of what he's drilling in to them on the training ground, and it just isn't good enough. It might seem ridiculously early to suggest, but I wouldn't bat an eyelid if he left tomorrow. I'd even suggest we'd be better off for doing so. There must be other managers out there that could do a lot more with the resources at their disposal? Just a little bit more positivity would be a start. Things is, you list players as though it was to the managers advantage... "We retained some key players from last season (Butland, Allen, Indi, Crouch, Pieters etc) and also spent a significant amount of money on the likes of Ince, McClean, Etebo, Woods and Afobe. Plus a couple of experienced heads on loan in the form of Williams and Martina." But of those players we retained, well, they've all been shit except Crouch, yet everyone was jumping up and down when we kept them on. I would have got rid of allen, and i'd have tried to get rid of Butland and kept Grant, BUT the others i'd have kept assuming they'd be MORE than good enough at this level, Shawcross too. And that was the general concensus on this board. That retaining so many of those players was a good thing. It hasn't been. It's been a fucking disaster. Most of Rowetts signings, with the exception of McLean, have looked pretty decent. They've certainly been a hell of a lot better than what was already here. But i think it was a reasonable assumption from the manager to think that if he got rid of the disruptive elements, the core of last seasons team, the "good eggs" would be absolutely fine at this level. He couldn't change everyone, we couldn't get rid of a lot of the shit to be able to do that. What defensive moves he had in mind or requested, fell through, and he's left with a paceless shitfest of a defence. The other mitigating factor is that the world cup and early start was in no way helpful to clubs needing a complete rebuild rather than a few modifications. I wouldn't say i've been impressed by Rowett, far from it, but i fail to see that he's done all that much worng. I can at least see sense in what he's trying to do on the pitch. It's pretty obvious that we have a tendency to go completely to shit when we concede, so he's desperately trying not to concede first. It's catch 22, if he goes attacking and we get exposed after a few minutes the knives will be out, as it is we're prodding and probing largely ineffectually at times, and the knives come out after 20 minutes instead. We are scoring goals, particularly in the 2nd half, he has to send them out to make sure they don't give it away early on, and thats what he's done. i just think, a combination of circumstances has left him in the shit. rather than too many awful decisions. He's made some awful decisions and choices. If you look at the list of his acquisitions and the quality of players at his disposal ... He's got no excuses. It's his job to get this group of players into a collective, cohesive team. Playing to a style that is beneficial and positive to that group of players. Creating an identity. I'm afraid the job is too big for him.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 27, 2018 19:14:18 GMT
Things is, you list players as though it was to the managers advantage... "We retained some key players from last season (Butland, Allen, Indi, Crouch, Pieters etc) and also spent a significant amount of money on the likes of Ince, McClean, Etebo, Woods and Afobe. Plus a couple of experienced heads on loan in the form of Williams and Martina." But of those players we retained, well, they've all been shit except Crouch, yet everyone was jumping up and down when we kept them on. I would have got rid of allen, and i'd have tried to get rid of Butland and kept Grant, BUT the others i'd have kept assuming they'd be MORE than good enough at this level, Shawcross too. And that was the general concensus on this board. That retaining so many of those players was a good thing. It hasn't been. It's been a fucking disaster. Most of Rowetts signings, with the exception of McLean, have looked pretty decent. They've certainly been a hell of a lot better than what was already here. But i think it was a reasonable assumption from the manager to think that if he got rid of the disruptive elements, the core of last seasons team, the "good eggs" would be absolutely fine at this level. He couldn't change everyone, we couldn't get rid of a lot of the shit to be able to do that. What defensive moves he had in mind or requested, fell through, and he's left with a paceless shitfest of a defence. The other mitigating factor is that the world cup and early start was in no way helpful to clubs needing a complete rebuild rather than a few modifications. I wouldn't say i've been impressed by Rowett, far from it, but i fail to see that he's done all that much worng. I can at least see sense in what he's trying to do on the pitch. It's pretty obvious that we have a tendency to go completely to shit when we concede, so he's desperately trying not to concede first. It's catch 22, if he goes attacking and we get exposed after a few minutes the knives will be out, as it is we're prodding and probing largely ineffectually at times, and the knives come out after 20 minutes instead. We are scoring goals, particularly in the 2nd half, he has to send them out to make sure they don't give it away early on, and thats what he's done. i just think, a combination of circumstances has left him in the shit. rather than too many awful decisions. He's made some awful decisions and choices. If you look at the list of his acquisitions and the quality of players at his disposal ... He's got no excuses. It's his job to get this group of players into a collective, cohesive team. Playing to a style that is beneficial and positive to that group of players. Creating an identity. I'm afraid the job is too big for him. I disagree. The players are crap. No one wanted to purchase them during the window either. He simply doesn't have the players at his disposal. I will be over the moon for them and yourself To prove me wrong but our team is shallow, lacking leadership, lacking rowetts targets you might say, lacking in every single department. He really doesn't have players at his disposal. We now should re adjust expectations. If we reach the playoffs wth this bunch it will be a miracle.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 19:45:10 GMT
He's made some awful decisions and choices. If you look at the list of his acquisitions and the quality of players at his disposal ... He's got no excuses. It's his job to get this group of players into a collective, cohesive team. Playing to a style that is beneficial and positive to that group of players. Creating an identity. I'm afraid the job is too big for him. I disagree. The players are crap. No one wanted to purchase them during the window either. He simply doesn't have the players at his disposal. I will be over the moon for them and yourself To prove me wrong but our team is shallow, lacking leadership, lacking rowetts targets you might say, lacking in every single department. He really doesn't have players at his disposal. We now should re adjust expectations. If we reach the playoffs wth this bunch it will be a miracle. He's signed over 20 million pounds worth of prime championship stock. He's signed two experienced defenders recently playing in the Prem He's got one of the shining lights of Euro 2016. He's got established internationals, two played in the 2018 world cup. He's got England no2 keeper. He's got one of the all time proven Premiership goalscorers He's got a coaching staff to populate a small village. What's the problem?
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 27, 2018 19:59:23 GMT
I disagree. The players are crap. No one wanted to purchase them during the window either. He simply doesn't have the players at his disposal. I will be over the moon for them and yourself To prove me wrong but our team is shallow, lacking leadership, lacking rowetts targets you might say, lacking in every single department. He really doesn't have players at his disposal. We now should re adjust expectations. If we reach the playoffs wth this bunch it will be a miracle. He's signed over 20 million pounds worth of prime championship stock. - those he signed for cash are our better/best players already He's signed two experienced defenders recently playing in the Prem - they haven't been playing recently and are certainly not premiership defenders. He's got one of the shining lights of Euro 2016. - not a benchmark. Hasn't done anything of note since He's got established internationals, two played in the 2018 world cup. - for the lesser teams in a tournament that almost simply let's countries walk in. He's got England no2 keeper. - he really hasn't, arguably any goalkeeper would look terrible without a defence He's got one of the all time proven Premiership goalscorers - he's over the hill and immobility is our biggest weakness He's got a coaching staff to populate a small village. - but the players he's working with have nothing to prove What's the problem? - the team and the recruitment clowns are the problem, plus the man upstairs.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 20:11:54 GMT
He's signed over 20 million pounds worth of prime championship stock. - those he signed for cash are our better/best players already He's signed two experienced defenders recently playing in the Prem - they haven't been playing recently and are certainly not premiership defenders. He's got one of the shining lights of Euro 2016. - not a benchmark. Hasn't done anything of note since He's got established internationals, two played in the 2018 world cup. - for the lesser teams in a tournament that almost simply let's countries walk in. He's got England no2 keeper. - he really hasn't, arguably any goalkeeper would look terrible without a defence He's got one of the all time proven Premiership goalscorers - he's over the hill and immobility is our biggest weakness He's got a coaching staff to populate a small village. - but the players he's working with have nothing to prove What's the problem? - the team and the recruitment clowns are the problem, plus the man upstairs. Gary's signed half the team hasn't He?
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 21:18:41 GMT
He's signed over 20 million pounds worth of prime championship stock. - those he signed for cash are our better/best players already He's signed two experienced defenders recently playing in the Prem - they haven't been playing recently and are certainly not premiership defenders. He's got one of the shining lights of Euro 2016. - not a benchmark. Hasn't done anything of note since He's got established internationals, two played in the 2018 world cup. - for the lesser teams in a tournament that almost simply let's countries walk in. He's got England no2 keeper. - he really hasn't, arguably any goalkeeper would look terrible without a defence He's got one of the all time proven Premiership goalscorers - he's over the hill and immobility is our biggest weakness He's got a coaching staff to populate a small village. - but the players he's working with have nothing to prove What's the problem? - the team and the recruitment clowns are the problem, plus the man upstairs. Ince McClean Martina Woods Clucas Williams Afobe Federici Nice shopping list for the championship Butland Shawcross Pieters Bruno Allen Adam Fletcher Bauer Crouch Diouf Berahino Bojan Edwards Any manager who can't get a tune out of that lot is in the wrong job.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 27, 2018 21:26:55 GMT
There was serious vitriol towards TP when he was appointed...much more intense than there is against Rowett. It was pretty much 95% contempt from Day 1 from his shenanigans at Bristol City, Portsmouth and Gillingham
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 28, 2018 5:52:15 GMT
Ince - breath of fresh air McClean - been one of our better players Martina - loan and not Rowett signing Woods - brilliant Clucas - no clue yet Williams - not a Rowett signing Afobe - brilliant Federici - cheap/crap Nice shopping list for the championship - not done too badly has he? Pizza boys messed up again for our primary targets however... Butland - didn't want to be here Shawcross - nothing to prove Pieters - nothing to prove Bruno - doesn't want to be here Allen - getting better but looks lost? Adam - should have gone ages ago Fletcher- see Adam Bauer - not a Rowett signing Crouch - see Adam Diouf - see Adam Berahino - doing better under Rowett Bojan - see Adam Edwards - should be loaned out Any manager who can't get a tune out of that lot is in the wrong job. - so your saying 5 decent players out of the lot make a squad? Zero defenders! Zero
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